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  • Subject: Halo Canon
Subject: Halo Canon

Halo 3: ODST = $30

Ok I thought the word canon meant something but I guess I am wrong.

I thought canon meant that whenever a new Halo game is released, whether sequel or prequel, that any new weapons/enemies would become part of the "universe".

What I mean by this is let's say Halo Reach comes and it has a desert eagle (EXAMPLE!!!). With Reach having this that means that all the Halo games before it (1, 2 and 3) theoretically had a desert eagle in them as well.

If this is not what canon means then what is it called?

I am asking this because some people believe that new weapons can't be added to Reach since it is a prequel when in fact they could add anything they want and have it become part of the "universe".

  • 11.22.2009 9:16 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

You don't understand canon.

Also, Reach is a prequel, which makes it impossible for them to add any new species of covenant, without destroying canon.

Canon = A story's plot or story. It makes sure everything fits together like gears in a clock. If You threw in an alien race in Reach, than there's a jam in the gears, and things don't match up anymore, creating a plot-hole in the canon.

  • 11.22.2009 9:20 PM PDT

I think you mean the M6 Magnum Pistol

  • 11.22.2009 9:20 PM PDT

Posted by: BS411
No. Just no.

I think you mean Conan as in Conan O'Brian.

  • 11.22.2009 9:22 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Also, Reach is a prequel, which makes it impossible for them to add any new species of covenant, without destroying canon.

Halo wars was a prequel to Halo: CE. Wars had engineers and CE didn't. Halo 2 and 3 didn't have engineers either. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What about the Gauss rifle from Contact Harvest, It wasn't in and Halo games, but they added it there.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 9:24 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 9:23 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Nozel1138
Halo wars was a prequel to Halo: CE. Wars had engineers and CE didn't. Also Halo 2 and Halo 3 didn't have engineers either. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What about the Gauss rifle from Contact Harvest, It wasn't in and Halo games, but they added it there


We have known about Engineers since BEFORE Halo CE.

The difference is, We've had 6 novels, 3 comic series, 5 games, and Halo Legends. PLUS the Halo encyclopedia.

We know about all the covenant species already.

  • 11.22.2009 9:25 PM PDT

Fall of Reach was written after CE as a prequel and they added a covenant species. Also it's never stated that we know all the aliens in the covenant. We just know all the ones we've been introduced to. We actually know very little about the covenant.

I'm not saying that they will or they should add anything. I'm just saying that they could, so it's too early to discredit that speculation

  • 11.22.2009 9:30 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Nozel1138
Fall of Reach was written after CE as a prequel and they added a covenant species. Also it's never stated that we know all the aliens in the covenant. We just know all the ones we've been introduced to. We actually know very little about the covenant.

I'm not saying that they will or they should add anything. I'm just saying that they could, so it's too early to discredit that speculation


Fall of Reach was released 2 weeks before Halo CE.

  • 11.22.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Halo 3: ODST = $30

Okay most of you don't understand what I mean. Privet caboose you need to open up your mind. You are so closed up and just don't listen.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Weapons CAN be added to Reach. Bungie can just say they were destroyed with Reach.

Let's call my idea Tiren. In Tiren, anything and everything can be added to the story. When something is added, the whole story, is altered to include those new items.

Also speaking of Halo Wars, there were a ton of new vehicles in there too right?

  • 11.22.2009 9:32 PM PDT

Here is the thing about canon, there is necessarily ways to bend it because all we know is the knowledge of what is written and we know for a fact that Brutes and the flying bugs are halo 2, but yet Bungie will have the possibility of adding them because there is never a definitive explanation of where they came from and for the reason they have established a fairly flexible "canon" as well as the adding of our hero "Virgil" whom is never referenced in Halo 3 whatsoever, so they truly have already thrown out the idea of "canon". Its like Comic-book logic, it cant be fully explained.

  • 11.22.2009 9:33 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Fall of Reach was released 2 weeks before Halo CE.

As far as release dates go, yes. I'll give you that. But the story had already been developed ages ago. Besides, no reason to argue technicalities we both think that Bungie isn't going to add anything new so let's stop arguing and let's agree. I'll go first: I agree.

  • 11.22.2009 9:37 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Chuck Wolfman
Here is the thing about canon, there is necessarily ways to bend it because all we know is the knowledge of what is written and we know for a fact that Brutes and the flying bugs are halo 2, but yet Bungie will have the possibility of adding them because there is never a definitive explanation of where they came from and for the reason they have established a fairly flexible "canon" as well as the adding of our hero "Virgil" whom is never referenced in Halo 3 whatsoever, so they truly have already thrown out the idea of "canon". Its like Comic-book logic, it cant be fully explained.


But it can all be explained. Everything you've mentioned has already been discussed to death in the universe forum. Trust me, there are inconsistencies, but the things you mentioned aren't part of it.

As for Halowars. The gameplay wasn't meant to be taken as canon, only the plot and cutscenes. IE: Spartans having shields-Gameplay only.

And even if those vehicles were canon, that was very early in the war, when Humans still had plenty of resources and planets. As they lost planets, they had to limit themselves until they only had a few vehicles geared towards specific things. (Ex: Warthog is primary anti air. Scorpion is primary anti vehicle. Pelican is aircraft. Hornet is anti infantry. And Longswords are their space fighters.

  • 11.22.2009 9:39 PM PDT

Dang it! Back to arguing

Posted by: privet caboose

And even if those vehicles were canon, that was very early in the war, when Humans still had plenty of resources and planets. As they lost planets, they had to limit themselves until they only had a few vehicles geared towards specific things. (Ex: Warthog is primary anti air. Scorpion is primary anti vehicle. Pelican is aircraft. Hornet is anti infantry. And Longswords are their space fighters.


But Reach was huge military installation. That's also where all of those military projects and experiments (ie. the Spartan-II project) took place. It's not so unlikely that they had experimental technology that was destroyed when the planet was wiped out. Also, because of those resources, vehicles from Halo wars might also still be there somewhere.

  • 11.22.2009 9:43 PM PDT

Halo 3: ODST = $30

Oh and you can bet your ass there will be new weapons. Especially after seeing *leaked content*. No matter what you believe, prepare to see fantastic weaponry and stunning new enemies.

  • 11.22.2009 9:45 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: xAngel of Furyx
Oh and you can bet your ass there will be new weapons. Especially after seeing *leaked content*. No matter what you believe, prepare to see fantastic weaponry and stunning new enemies.


I never said there wouldn't be new weapons. That's a given.

But there will not, I repeat, WILL NOT, be a new race of covenant.

New ranks of covenant? Sure.
But a new race would just destroy everything.

  • 11.22.2009 9:47 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
New ranks of covenant? Sure.

Yeah! Can't wait to see some Spec-ops Elite honor guards with jet-packs...and lightsabers

  • 11.22.2009 9:49 PM PDT

I don't see why Bungie couldn't add things as long as it wasn't drastic. A new weapon or vehicle could easily be added to Reach and wouldn't introduce a plothole. I mean the halo universe is huge. Just because we haven't seen a weapon or vehicle in other halo games doesn't mean it doesn't or can't exist. The stories we've played so far have been relatively small considering we've only seen a 25 year long war spanning the entire human controlled space from the perspective of a few people.

There should be a countless variety of weapons and vehicles in the halo universe that we haven't seen before. Have you seen every weapon that exists in the world today? How about every vehicle? just because you haven't seen it before does not mean it doesn't exist.

  • 11.22.2009 10:17 PM PDT

Posted by: GhostlyInferno
just because you haven't seen it before does not mean it doesn't exist.

That's already become something like a catch phrase for me

See Above:
Posted by: Nozel1138
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


[Edited on 11.22.2009 10:19 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 10:18 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
You don't understand canon.

Also, Reach is a prequel, which makes it impossible for them to add any new species of covenant, without destroying canon.

Canon = A story's plot or story. It makes sure everything fits together like gears in a clock. If You threw in an alien race in Reach, than there's a jam in the gears, and things don't match up anymore, creating a plot-hole in the canon.


That's a complete misconception.

Canon cannot be conflicted with.

Making a small really fast and weak ape and calling it a Brute would break canon.

Making humans know all about forerunners would break cannon.

However, adding to cannon is ok. read up on canon and ret-con.(Not trying to be mean, jsut saying, it's actually a bit complicated, especially to quote from memory)

Ret-con is retroactively changing continuity. Say there is a series of 8 books. Book 1 has a map of the continent it all takes place in, no lakes.
Book 7 has no map, but the story was written about a lake.
Book 8 has a rectified map with a lake in it.

That is ret-con.

Bungie can add anything not mentioned in any book or game, as long as it doesn't directly conflict with established fact.

As an example, you can have Halsey say they are in a Dysonsphere within it's own dimension(ghosts of onyx), however, the character says it, but it is not necessarily fact because it is not mentioned by the author outside of that one time.

The character could be "wrong".

[Edited on 11.22.2009 11:18 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 11:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
You don't understand canon.

Also, Reach is a prequel, which makes it impossible for them to add any new species of covenant, without destroying canon.

Canon = A story's plot or story. It makes sure everything fits together like gears in a clock. If You threw in an alien race in Reach, than there's a jam in the gears, and things don't match up anymore, creating a plot-hole in the canon.

This guy knows what to do.

  • 11.22.2009 11:16 PM PDT