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Subject: Snipers suck! are you with me!
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That poerson wasn't good HE WAS EXELLENT!
I liked that trick with the warthog.

  • 04.29.2004 6:24 AM PDT
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snipers do not suck, it just depends on your preference. I agree with people when they say that you have just as much chance at grabbing a sniper rifle than the next guy, so you cannot say it is unfair. HOWEVER, campers do suck, especially in a game like Halo, but this is simply my opinion. What's so fun about camping? Move around a bit, switch it up. Keep up the kills, but for Christs sake stop the camping

  • 04.29.2004 6:31 AM PDT

bah

Posted by: GeEk
That poerson wasn't good HE WAS EXELLENT!
I liked that trick with the warthog.
He is excellent, but you also have to realise two things:
1. He wasn't always playing good people.
2. When making a video, you tend to include the times you were pwning, not the times you got pwned.

By the way, PeckBTW the title is to get attention if you read my first post in this thread you will see that my actual opinion is different.You have to realize that your original post defined a very specific type of sniper. People who camp typically are those who treat the game like they can't die a lot. A real Halo player isn't afraid of death. I culd sit there and complain about the idiots on my team who run around with shotguns and die, literally, in waves to someone's pistol. Also, you stated that multiple killtaculars happen with close range. What is up with that? You yourself said the point is to get the flag, not to get strings upon stirngs of kills. I'm a sniper, and not the kind you hate. But your original post tended to generalize all snipers into one category. What you basically described was the noob sniper. The best sniping I've seen online came from people moving around like nuts. THey never sat still, they always had a backup weapon, and 50% of their shots were headshots, the other 50% were 2 shot kills. A good sniper will have 24 rounds and kill 16 people with those rounds, and in less time than it takes you to kill 16 people with a shotgun.

Next time you make a post that you know will be controvercial, try to scan it and see what a pro would think of what you said. I don't care if you -blam!- about the noob snipers, but if you're going to do that, then also -blam!- about the noob drivers who run over their teammates, or the noob rocket users who blow up the guy who is about to kill their enemy.

Also, you said:i've won entire ctf games without ever firing a shot or using a mellee attack or grenades.(sneak in grab flag escape in hog)Now imagine if all of your teammates did that too. You guys would have lost, big time. They were most likely saving your ass as you went in without doing a thing.

[Edited on 4/29/2004 7:17:10 AM]

  • 04.29.2004 7:15 AM PDT
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So I've read almost all of this thread, and here's one place where I will agree with Peck. Fully 2/3 of the responses on this thread have been from people starting out by saying, "Well, I am a sniper and..." and I think that's a little ridiculous.
To use the definition of a "sniper" given earlier, I'd say I would rather have a sharpshooter on my team. It's a team game, and if you're a true sniper, and you're sneaking around the level and choosing your shots very carefully, then you are not supporting your team.

I will agree that the sniper is part of the game and that it takes skill to use it. But, it's been my experience that way too many people are willing to die with a rifle in hand. When I grab a rifle (in BG, for instance) and get out to the middle of the level, I do what I can to corral the enemy at their base with shots. But, I'm a realist, and I know that no one can get a headshot every single time and have any hope of controlling the enemy, so if I get a hit that doesn't kill, I'll switch to my pistol in a heartbeat. I don't think you can afford to let that guy live any longer than necessary, and knowing that it will only take one pistol shot to put him away is enough to make me switch. In most games, you've got 3 or 4 enemies to corral. You don't have time to screw around. You're there to do a job, and that job is to pin them down until the rest of your team can roll in and get on top of the base.

What I usually see, however, is the guy that will successfully get them all trapped at their base, but continue to take 2-3 shots at each enemy. Well, here's a sad fact: by the time you're done killing the first guy, the other 3 should be on you (if they're any challenge) and you should (and most likely will) die with a spent mag in your rifle.

So, the bottom line is, the sniper can be useful, but you really have to know when to hang it up and switch to Ol' Faithful, the pistol.

  • 04.29.2004 8:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hikaru 119
Peck what you have described is not sniping. It's called sharp shooting. There is a difference. A true sniper is much more valuable, allows the team to win fatser, is a pain in the ass for the enemy, relocates often, hits his target getting a kill in one shot, and is a true warrior.

A sharp shooter is just a guy with a rifle that provides support and is pretty much useless until he can prove himself otherwise. It is the sharpshooter that can prevent a team from advancing because while he gives support he constantly needs support.

The sniper does not. He is his own support and can carry himself as well as the team along with him. Plus a sniper can get plenty of captures.

Put perfectly. But now for my opinion, the sniper rifle is only one of the weapons in Halo. It has its place along side the pistol and rocket launcher. There is a time and place to use each depending on the situation. But to call it useless or -blam!-, is just retarded in my mind. Anyway just my opinion. Take it for what is worth and try to prove me wrong if you feel differently.

  • 04.29.2004 8:52 AM PDT
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I dont know if anyone noticed, but in halo multiplayer, there is no class system...everyone is a mc, profficient in the USE of every weapon, including a sniper rifle...however, no one ever in the history of halo can claim to be a sniper...your all mc's. You wanna talk about being a sniper? Go play ghost recon. go play a 20 minute match where you spend half of it sneaking around to get into a tactical position. Those are true snipers. Playing a fragfest in halo and grabbing the sniper rifle and using it DOESNOT qualify you for a valid sniper. Case closed gentlemen.

  • 04.29.2004 9:01 AM PDT
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for the few of you that are posting reasonablr logical arguements, i respect and salute you.but for some reason you all can't get it through your thick skulls what i'm trying to say here. what part of i love the sniper rifle do you not understand?! do you even read my posts or do you all just read my title which is supposed to catch your eye not be my opinion. and start saying crap about how good you are with a snperrifle.

and to the few of you giving good posts, please do not try and suggest to me ways to be beeter at halo, you don't know how good i am.

please note i have listed PROS of the rifle also i'm not trying to bash the weapon it's good it's a part of the game it's respectable when you can cover a teammate for a flag capture. and don't say that all i do is run at the enemy base with a shotgun. in a 3v3 game i use a shotty/pistol and move up the map with another shotty/pistol teammate and a sniper on defese that goes warps once we have the flag.i'm just saying that it's not realistic for people to be getting all of these headshots and whatever.and i mean no offese when i say this but may i suggest that if you are good enough at halo to snipe people in the head every shot at any range that maybe you should give the game a break. it is a game remember. you may have noticed rectangular shaped structures along the walls of your house. their called "doors" you can even go through them. they lead to a strange place yes you may have heard of it OUTSIDE theirs great stuff out there such as girls for example i know it may be a foreign word. you don't really see them in halo that much. or maybe you could do something other than play halo?


but seriously don't reply or make a post if all your going to say is that your a sniper and that your awesome and try and rationalize your thinking with childish bickering and illogical comments.

please my entire post before you start going off on how i'm wrong, an opinion is never wrong they are specific to each individual, i am trying my best to see where you are coming from but when i get retarded posts on how the sniper rifle is perfect i just can't agree.

REMEMBER READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY, AND MAYBE EVEN 2 OR 3 TIMES BEFORE YOU MAKE SOME IDIOTIC COMMENT


who was the guy that had "never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level than beat you with expierience" as his sig.? whoever he is he's awesome

  • 04.29.2004 9:25 AM PDT
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I only have one complaint. I hate the *bleeping* *bleeps* that team kill you for the *bleeping* sniper rifle. You *bleeps*!
Otherwise, I think anything is fair in love and war. And in halo, its war.

  • 04.29.2004 9:29 AM PDT
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You are one defensive person, peck. Calm down

  • 04.29.2004 10:41 AM PDT
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i dunno wat the snipers like on pc... i have XBOX and it takes around 3 or 4 hits to kill on that, at around 100% shields so i dont see how its possible to kill minimum 8 ppl in 12 shots


unless on PC its overpow3rd?

  • 04.29.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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i like a mid-range battle. something i can use my pistol on. i still love the shotgun though. nothin beats a one-shot kill to the head at point-blank.

  • 04.29.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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Sniper was WAY better on xbox btw. like in he movie. You shoot DIRECTLY at people...

  • 04.29.2004 10:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Peck
where the point is to get flag captures NOT KILLS

of course the point is to get flag captures. but does the whole team hold hands while running with the flag? no, so that kind of limits the options of the other team members to...that's right, killing. and other than the pistol, there's no other weapon in the game that provides better cover fire, AND can be used for surveillance (10x zoom is pretty useful for spotting enemy flag-bearers).

1.IF your good cover your teammates temporarily<--low ammo count
if you're good, you should be able to provide PLENTY of time for the flag-bearer to make a hasty withdrawal. unless you're playing instant respawn time (which would be retarted for CTF) or playing 2 vs. 16 or something ridiculous like that.

1. most people miss more shots than they hit anyway
most people aren't good with the sniper rifle.

2.time you spend sniping is wasted time, it slows the momentum of your team's progress
providing a clear path of escape for the flag bearer is hardly wasted time. and do you mean to say that helping your team score makes the objective (to score) harder to attain? because i have to disagree if that's what you're saying.

3.again, low ammo count
well, yeah. imagine how much MORE people would complain about the sniper rifle if it had, say 10 rounds per mag and 6 mags total. the game would degenerate into nothing but sniper warfare.

4.this last one is my opinion but some of you may agree.
killing enemies without the threat of them killing you is pathetic and cowardly can you say P-U-S-S-y? (again i'm talking about when a sniper is killing people that have close range weapons or are out of range to fight back)it's like killing ants if you take actual pride in the killing of things smaller than you than you deserve no respect

are you saying that pilots who perform precision bombing/missile strikes on hostile targets are pathetic and cowardly? and what about real-life snipers who's job isn't only to shoot people, but to infiltrate enemy territory to get into a position to take the shot. snipers have to have basketball sized brass balls to go into unfriendly territory with only a spotter for backup. but, i'll just believe you meant this statement to be in the scope (no pun intended) of the game. in which case, if you're running around with only 2 close range weapons - you deserve to get shot in the face. if you're running around with only 2 close range weapons in open space you deserve to get shot in the face. and teabagged repeatedly. but, getting back to your point #1, if most people miss anyways, where's the problem? and are you suggesting that people allow the enemy to waltz right up to them and kill them because they only have short ranged weapons? what's the point of having a rifle, then? and as far as being out of range to fight back, last i checked MC can lob a grenade pretty damn far. however, i do have to say that i frown upon people that camp with the sole purpose of killing others as they respawn, and that pass up on providing cover fire for an easy kill.

now please don't get me wrong i LOVE using the sniper rifle i am excellent at sniping and use it to the fullest extent of it's abilities. i'm just sick and tired of people saying it's so great. lets hear your opinion.
ok, well this is what's called a F-O-R-U-M. if you're sick of hearing others saying it's so great, why start a thread about it and ask for their opinions?

[Edited on 4/29/2004 11:19:20 AM]

  • 04.29.2004 11:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Peck
please my entire post before you start going off on how i'm wrong, an opinion is never wrong they are specific to each individual, i am trying my best to see where you are coming from but when i get retarded posts on how the sniper rifle is perfect i just can't agree.

how can you expect anyone to respect your opinion when you bash other people who voice their own opinion - even if all they are saying is how much they like the sniper rifle.

REMEMBER READ MY POSTS CAREFULLY, AND MAYBE EVEN 2 OR 3 TIMES BEFORE YOU MAKE SOME IDIOTIC COMMENT
perhaps you should do likewise.

  • 04.29.2004 11:17 AM PDT
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Let me get this straight here....no im really confused with what Pecks trying to say...you title is Snipers Suck! are you with me! is it not,
then you complain about the point of shooting other snipers, were cowards because we snipe!
and now it sounds like your trying to say something totally different....as if its your post's that count and not the title....well whats the point of that title then...

you could have just said why you dont like the sniper rifle as a title...your points why you dont like being a sniper, and so im sure except for a few people that you will get some reasonable agreements and explanations.

me personally favor of a sniper! but i can Assault too. but you cant call someone a coward for being a sniper mate...because if you do.. dont ever join the Army!

just think of the reasons why snipers are used, and then post to me personally ( as in...submitting to my profile ) about you thoughts....Agreed?

  • 04.29.2004 11:29 AM PDT
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i an with ya man! snipers are for wimps, go in there with guns blazen!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 04.29.2004 11:49 AM PDT
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no...i prefer a sniper rifle thanx

it doesnt make you a wimp....it just makes you much better at aiming....

and anyway...you gotter be pretty stupid to use a Assault Rifle in the open...lol which is why they have sniper rifles

  • 04.29.2004 12:03 PM PDT
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When you, or anyone else, are zoomed in i will melee you in the back or blow your brains out with a frag

[Edited on 4/29/2004 12:12:26 PM]

  • 04.29.2004 12:08 PM PDT
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If you can sneak up on me go ahead and try. Most good snipers dont just sit in one place.

  • 04.29.2004 2:13 PM PDT
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Personally, I don't like snipers. WARNING: this does not Mean all snipers out their! Most sniper men are horrible campers and usually screen look if they have the chance, (or respawn kill) Thats how I feel. However, I do know quite a few peeps that don't do that -blam!- -blam!-. most (not all) snipers suck at close range. (I rock at close range: my reaction speed kills; i'm ok with the sniper, not as good as some peeps on here I bet though)

[Edited on 4/29/2004 2:22:22 PM]

  • 04.29.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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ok thats it you win yes your all very right the sniper rifle rocks i'm wrong i'm a moron

i have tried to explain my reasoning so many times... WTF is wrong with you people? is everyone on the bungie forums just complete idiots that are incapable of processing logical thought?

so you know what, use your goddamned sniper rifle yes you are all so awesome. bungie i am deeply sorry that your fanbase is made up of almost nothing but people with nothing better to do than shoot their mouths off without thinking

i will now address you retards one last time

QUIT COMPARING HALO TO REAL LIFE

it may take "basketball sized brass balls" to go behind enemy lines.but you know what it's a video game it's because of peope like you that we have rating systems to keep those of us that can't distinguish reality from a game from playing things out of your league don't BLAM-ing tell me about real life in real life one bullet can kill you in real life you shield isn't going to recharge in real life you don't respawn in real life you can't reload with one hand while running. SO DON'T BLAMMING TELL ME THAT IN REAL LIFE YOU WOULD BE COOL TO BE A SNIPER OR THAT IT TAKES BRASS BALLS.

and why they hell do you all think i'm running into the enemy base with 2 close range weapons?!

I mean -blam!- -blam!-?! what the -blam!- are all you -blam!-s thinking?

READ THE GODAMN POSTS BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!

  • 04.29.2004 2:31 PM PDT
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seriously. Your not helping yourself by insulting everyone. You only make yourself sound stupider and you cant come up with any logical arguements, so just calm down.

  • 04.29.2004 2:34 PM PDT
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oh madsniper it's on...

don't tell me that i'm stupid when stupider isn't even a -blam!- word.

insulting everyone huh? i like to call it "stating the facts"
if i didn't that would be lying.

  • 04.29.2004 2:39 PM PDT
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There are both Great Snipers and Great Close range fighters, but their are few that are both. I'm sure that their are plenty of peeps (including myself) that are good at both. Snipers and close range peeps don't suck, it's the newbs and -blam!- peeps that play as them that suck. That's why the experts of both types of gameplay are fighting. (that's my theory)

  • 04.29.2004 3:12 PM PDT
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Campers are the ones that suck. You have to change things up because it is just stupid being just respawned and almost instantly getting you head blown off. I mean at least give them a fighting chance. although I can hit anyone from across the map with any thing I try to at least give them a chance to win before I crush them.

  • 04.29.2004 3:28 PM PDT