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Subject: Snipers suck! are you with me!
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It is true, it isn't whether or not snipers suck or close fighters suck, we should blame the countless respawn killers, major campers, and other cheap killing ways peeps use.

  • 04.29.2004 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Peck
ok thats it you win yes your all very right the sniper rifle rocks i'm wrong i'm a moron

i have tried to explain my reasoning so many times... WTF is wrong with you people? is everyone on the bungie forums just complete idiots that are incapable of processing logical thought?

pardon me, but i wasn't aware that just because you stated your opinion, we had to accept it as anything but that, an opinion. your logical thought is obviously flawed if so many people are disagreeing with you.

so you know what, use your goddamned sniper rifle yes you are all so awesome. bungie i am deeply sorry that your fanbase is made up of almost nothing but people with nothing better to do than shoot their mouths off without thinking
were you trying to get people to stop using the sniper rifle or something? i guess we have your permission to continue using it now, eh? wow, thank you so much. and as far as your little tirade, do you feel better now? you know, if you would stop and think for a minute, you'd realize that if you would stop insulting everyone in your posts then the people you're insulting wouldn't be writing back, causing your panties to get in a bind. what's the point of asking anyone anything if you're just going to flame them for expressing an opinion?

  • 04.29.2004 7:20 PM PDT
Subject: Snipers do Suck! I agree with Peck
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The sniper that is shooting at me across blood gulch would not act so cocky if he was in range of my pistol/shotgun combo of DEATH! I respect the player that can talk trash while he is in my killzone, not 1000 yards away behind some rock. And people who will kill their teamates for their sniper rifle really piss me off!

Don't even get me started about sniper fanatics!

  • 04.29.2004 7:32 PM PDT
Subject: Snipers suck! are you with me!
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i totally agree, if your deadly with the sniper rifle, your probably deadily with the other weapons. Killing is a part of ctf, no matter what you think, if you impede the other team from getting near your base, i would say you're doing the right thing.

  • 04.29.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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Peck, how old are you? This isn't some "spring loaded insult", I'm just curious. I won't say,"Then start acting like it!"

  • 04.29.2004 8:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: whisper
i totally agree, if your deadly with the sniper rifle, your probably deadily with the other weapons. Killing is a part of ctf, no matter what you think, if you impede the other team from getting near your base, i would say you're doing the right thing.


I'd like to bring up an interesting point. The part about killing the other team and impeding them from getting near your base, well, then that only causes them to respawn by their base, increasing resistance and impeeding your progress near their base. =)

[Edited on 4/29/2004 8:35:38 PM]

  • 04.29.2004 8:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Peck
Clearly i have anticipated ALOT of diagreement with my opinion but let me explain myself...
REMEMBER:i speak as if this is a ctf game, where the point is to get flag captures NOT KILLS

Pros of sniping (non-pistol JUST SNIPER)
1.IF your good cover your teammates temporarily<--low ammo count
2.kill enemy flag bearers (also in vehicles)
3.killing enemy snipers (what a stupid cycle getting a sniper to kill snipers that got their sniper for the same reason you got yours)

CONS!
1. most people miss more shots than they hit anyway
2.time you spend sniping is wasted time, it slows the momentum of your team's progress
3.again, low ammo count
4.this last one is my opinion but some of you may agree.
killing enemies without the threat of them killing you is pathetic and cowardly can you say P-U-S-S-y? (again i'm talking about when a sniper is killing people that have close range weapons or are out of range to fight back)it's like killing ants if you take actual pride in the killing of things smaller than you than you deserve no respect

Close range pros( weapons like shotgun, pistol, plasma guns etc.)

1.You can't get multiple consecutive killtaculars with a sniper rifle ; )
2.shotguns are MUCH more effective in flag stealing
3.covering a teammate is much more effective with a pistol
4.weapons like the shotgun have super fast reload (you can practically reload while shooting) and a nearly inexhaustable ammo count
5.it takes a real man to put your life on the line and come out guns blazing and victorious

reasons why people like the sniper rifle
1.they feel safe while using it (thats why noobs flock towards it like dogs to a hot piece of meat)
2.lets face it it's fun to use "whoopee! i'm a real thniper guyth!"
3.they think that they are helping their team by getting kills
well you know what? i've won entire ctf games without ever firing a shot or using a mellee attack or grenades.(sneak in grab flag escape in hog)

now please don't get me wrong i LOVE using the sniper rifle i am excellent at sniping and use it to the fullest extent of it's abilities. i'm just sick and tired of people saying it's so great. yes i said i'm good with it thats simply because in halo you are forced to be the master of every weapon or get your arse kicked.i do feel like a total rat while using it though.
lets hear your opinion.


you obviously don't know how to use a sniper rifle properly... Snipers are good for defending bases as well, and they also good when it comes to getting information to your teammates (The zoom gives you a better chance of seeing what the other team is up too) (scouting)...

IF people miss more then hit in Halo, they obviously use the sniper rifle improperly... I almost always hit someone with that gun (if they're in a vehicle I only try if I have a good shot).

Plus, 1 shot kill with sniper rifle beats 3 shots kill with pistol...

  • 04.30.2004 8:13 AM PDT
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Well i don't think snipers suck, because any good person with a pistal that is a half decent shot could rock someone with a sniper rifle i believe all they have to do is keep hitting them till there dead, because the sniper is useless without the zoom with most people. unless you like me and are pretty damn good at sniping without the the zoom, then more powere to you as far as im' concerned because it takes quite a pit of skill to snipe without a scope. Plus as has been mentioned before the goal of halo i basically to be the best with every single weapon and to ultimately win the the game. And alot of time int capture the flag mural of the other team is kinda importan t also. And if someone is sniping me and my team and not giveing us tiem to breath then it gets pretty stressful and i dont' perform as well so i conclud that snipign isn't cheap, and if you think it is then play ctf in a level without the sniper rifle.

  • 04.30.2004 8:35 AM PDT
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i have only one thnig to say to peck and that is....
How old are you? 7? Youre acting like some kind of wannabie.

  • 04.30.2004 8:47 AM PDT
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All I have to say is: if sniping is ALL you do in a mp game, then you're a coward. But, I do snipe to pick of those who have potential to dominate a match. I will usually walk while pistol sniping, then mop up with some AR or shotgun.

  • 04.30.2004 9:03 AM PDT
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Yeah I wasted my time reading about half of these posts... and heres what I got from what I read... nobody is in the middle on this subect? Well, I am.

Whoever authored the post, sorry i'm too lazy go to find your name, I like this poll because I hate seeing n00bish snippers in BG CTF (The most overrated gametype/map in Halo by FAR) First of all... go play some Team Slayer, on Dammy, Chilly, Hang em, ANYTHING but BG... I havent played that map (unles in tourny) for like 3 months...

Back to topic, the sniper is a great weapon. But I hate these kids who claim they get 25 head shots and crap... wtf? are you retarded? If Clockwork, Purple, breze, even the ogres, pick up a sniper, and sit in Gultch.... even THEY will miss... your saying your never gonna see a guy with over shield? in which case it takes a minimum of 3 shots? bull -blam!- lol. I love the sniper, but I never camp for more then approx. 2 minutes with it. on BG (since you all love it so much) for example I'll get snipe, port, then cliff it for a few kills, ge behind the base, pick up one or 2 more, allow a teammate or 2 to get to the base as well and score. But ppl who sit and camp sniper kills... thats redonk.

Yes killing helps in CTF... but not unless your trying to score as well... Pistol is where its at... if you have common sense at all, you should only die 1 time from a sniper.... once he shoots you, his cover is blown and as soon as you spawn, his ass should be grass. Thats why you cant just sit and camp. My group of friends has beat nationally ranked teams... and I dont think any of us (consistantly) get anything more then a double kill w/ one clip. It just doesnt happen.24 head shots... that ludacris... the only thing more wacko would be for somebody to claim hes NEVER died inside of a base... or EVER lost a multiplayer match... who the heck do you play with? your grandma? StK has lost... so have you, get over your self.

  • 04.30.2004 9:06 AM PDT
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I think snipers can be very useful; I just don't like it when a person only snipes the entire game, and refuses to ever come out and fight.

  • 04.30.2004 10:11 AM PDT
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I used to hate fighting snipers, but now I realize it adds a whole new dimension to the game. Its fun hunting a sniper, and then sniping them right back with say, a rocket launcher, or a pistol. And actually, as a sniper you are at a disadvantage. Once your position has been revealed, you MUST move, otherwise you will be creamed. I'll add more later, GTG.

  • 04.30.2004 5:40 PM PDT
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"i've won entire ctf games without ever firing a shot or using a mellee attack or grenades.(sneak in grab flag escape in hog)"

Thats all wrong we all know you had snipers on your team shooting rounds at people trying to take your flag>.

thats right i said it snipes kick ass

smashicals!

  • 04.30.2004 6:12 PM PDT
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I love to snipe, but not to get sniped!

[Edited on 4/30/2004 6:52:11 PM]

  • 04.30.2004 6:51 PM PDT
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well the sniper rifle has saved many games for me being able to get that last second shot at the flag man and able to then watch it til its saved its a life saver

  • 04.30.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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Snipers rock. I myself am a sharp shooter and as someone else has said in the start of this thread a sharp shooter is better than a sniper. being a sharp shooter is a skill in and of itself it takes practice patience and thinking abilities! So to Whomever started this thread about snipers and or sharp shooters being cowardly or not tactical enough for you. your just jelous you cant snipe as well as the rest of us or you have a friend who snipes you in CTf matches that you constantly loose! Oh and dont say we are not good in close combat situations either, I am acctually one of the best Warthog driver i have ever seen out of all my other buddies and they do thank me for my briliant driving...so I do play many roles in CTf matches and or multi player fights!

Snipers All the way!

[Edited on 4/30/2004 7:17:00 PM]

  • 04.30.2004 7:14 PM PDT
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I love to snipe it is not the only thing I do but I keep thinking I am out there to take them out bye any means and snipeing is one. I am also bad for jumping in a hog and just running them all over taking the flag and drive back.I think if you are good enouph to get moveing targets with the snipe you deserve the kill.

  • 04.30.2004 7:25 PM PDT
Subject: Snipers...
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Personally, I can't say anything about snipers. I use cover and concealment pretty good, so most of my deaths are not produced by 14.5-mm APFSDS rounds traveling at terminal velocity into my cranium. I also kind of suck with a sniper rifle: not enough that I don't get kills with it, but enough that I'm not my team's sniper.

However, my team (just a neighborhood group that plays with other people around the city) does have an excellent sniper, and he has proven, time and time again, that a good sniper is invaluable in any kind of match, CtF of Slayer (team). Covering fire (accurate sniper fire and semi-accurate fire from heavy guns [ LAAG guns, rocket launchers]) I devastating to the enemy, both troops on te outside of a base, where they are mowed down like so many sheep, and inside, when the enemy is afraid of coming out for fear of being obliterated.

In Team Slayer, the advantage is obvious, more kills. But both in defense and offense (CtF) good snipers are priceless. Same goes for heavy weapon's specialists. I can't say they suck, for I’ve seen the effects of that kind of fire. I can't say that they are the ultimate, for my sniper would be ill suited to go into a base, capture the flag, then escape. A well rounded Halo player would be multi-tasked, and would probably be well trained for such a scenario, but my team is based on teamwork, and trying to keep our heads out of each other's asses.

As having been on both the losing and winning side of CtF games, I can tell you that a team of all snipers would not win (ammunition and weapon availability notwithstanding). Except by act of God, of course. Poor bastards that think like that will die. In a real game, there would not be enough ammo and weapons to equip a team like that anyway, and I’ve never had a base assaulter come into my base with and S2 AM Sniper Rifle and beat me with my trusty M90 Close Assault Shotgun. Never.

In conclusion... snipers aren't the best, but a good team with no snipers would have a helluva time against a mediocre team with half-way decent snipers.

  • 04.30.2004 8:07 PM PDT
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GT: Greg Is So Hot

I love snipers. I Don't think it would be possible for my team to win any CTF games with out snipers.

  • 04.30.2004 8:08 PM PDT
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I think that you are not a coward or anything when you sniper people you are just being smarter than the other for taking them out before they take you out. Besides they have just as much of a chance to go get the sniper as you. You are just taking advantage of your resources.

  • 04.30.2004 8:22 PM PDT
Subject: Snipers suck! are you with me!
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heck no!
sniping probably one of the most important if not one of the funner parts of the game.

i mean you can't not like hitting someone from the other side of blood gultch with a single shot to the head, can you?

  • 04.30.2004 8:25 PM PDT
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Most (not all) of this thread is pointless arguement. Halo is all about being the master of every weapon, which means that you have to realize every weapon's advantages, and take advantage of them. You cannot simply say one weapon is awesome, or one weapon sucks. You obviously need practice i f you need to rely on one weapon to keep yourself alive. I myself will constantly switch my weapons to suit a situation. Even plasma pistols or needlers are dangerous if you know the specific time to use them. If you become unbias, and master the sniper, rocket launcher, shotgun, pistol, plasma pistol, plasma rifle, needler, AR and grenades, and you will win.

  • 04.30.2004 8:43 PM PDT
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Lifeforce's sig says it best:

"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastards die for theres"
-Gen. Patton

I know the whole halo reality argument, but what im saying is do what u have to to win and if someones doing something you dont like, peck, do something about it like change gametype or stop playing halo all together or whatever.

Don't just come to the forums, post some opinion, ask for other peoples then yell at them when they say something you dont like. I think its funny the people that act 'intelligent' and 'logical' really just come off as a giant rolling ball of contradictions.

  • 04.30.2004 8:48 PM PDT
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Sniping someone who is at the other end of the map is skill and accuracy, while blasting someone in the fast with a shotgun is timing since it is more effective at close ranges. By that time though another sniper may have picked you off.

  • 04.30.2004 8:52 PM PDT