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Subject: The Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana...Joyeuse?

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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Posted by: Access 240
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Now, the sword Curtana may have had heavenstone and starstuff in it, but it still had steel. But what is the steel in the Bungie universe? I'm confident that the steel that we speak of is that Durandal, Cortana, and Joyeuse are AIs, just as Durendal, Curtana, and Joyeuse are swords (of the same steel and temper :P).


Yikes. I got shivers. Cue immense feeling of realization, methinks?

The entire thread is ripe with that feeling. The backbone of a piece of crucial Bungie-fiction uncovered, perhaps?

I'd be genuinely surprised if I didn't see Joyeuse pop up in the next Bungie IP after that read...
Yeah! By now I'm perhaps a little too confident in this whole theory. But it fits so well!

  • 01.31.2010 12:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: Access 240
Posted by: cortana 5
Now, the sword Curtana may have had heavenstone and starstuff in it, but it still had steel. But what is the steel in the Bungie universe? I'm confident that the steel that we speak of is that Durandal, Cortana, and Joyeuse are AIs, just as Durendal, Curtana, and Joyeuse are swords (of the same steel and temper :P).


Yikes. I got shivers. Cue immense feeling of realization, methinks?

The entire thread is ripe with that feeling. The backbone of a piece of crucial Bungie-fiction uncovered, perhaps?

I'd be genuinely surprised if I didn't see Joyeuse pop up in the next Bungie IP after that read...
Yeah! By now I'm perhaps a little too confident in this whole theory. But it fits so well!


Too well...

*CSI:Miami theme plays*

  • 01.31.2010 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: Access 240
Posted by: cortana 5
Now, the sword Curtana may have had heavenstone and starstuff in it, but it still had steel. But what is the steel in the Bungie universe? I'm confident that the steel that we speak of is that Durandal, Cortana, and Joyeuse are AIs, just as Durendal, Curtana, and Joyeuse are swords (of the same steel and temper :P).


Yikes. I got shivers. Cue immense feeling of realization, methinks?

The entire thread is ripe with that feeling. The backbone of a piece of crucial Bungie-fiction uncovered, perhaps?

I'd be genuinely surprised if I didn't see Joyeuse pop up in the next Bungie IP after that read...
Yeah! By now I'm perhaps a little too confident in this whole theory. But it fits so well!


Too well...

*CSI:Miami theme plays*
*hums along*

Anyway, I'm going to be slightly disappointed if it doesn't turn out as we think it is.
I find myself rather selfish, tbbh.

Back to the theory, is there a list of AIs that have gone Rampant?

  • 01.31.2010 2:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Back to the theory, is there a list of AIs that have gone Rampant?
Zing!

  • 01.31.2010 2:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Back to the theory, is there a list of AIs that have gone Rampant?
Zing!
That's actually a lot shorter than I thought it would be.

After doing some research on my own, I think we might meet a certain Kalmiya at some point, although this may not be the AI that parallels Joyeuse.

  • 01.31.2010 4:04 PM PDT

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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Back to the theory, is there a list of AIs that have gone Rampant?
Zing!
That's actually a lot shorter than I thought it would be.

After doing some research on my own, I think we might meet a certain Kalmiya at some point, although this may not be the AI that parallels Joyeuse.
I honestly don't think Kalmiya is the parallel AI. If it's any AI in the Haloverse, then it would be Mendicant.

  • 01.31.2010 4:15 PM PDT
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... Have you read my MRT theory?

  • 01.31.2010 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
... Have you read my MRT theory?
Why ask that when you can just actually join in the discussion and link to your thread?

That's kinda rude :/

  • 01.31.2010 4:26 PM PDT
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Heh, Joyeuse has 7 letters in it :)

  • 01.31.2010 4:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agustus
... Have you read my MRT theory?
Why ask that when you can just actually join in the discussion and link to your thread?

That's kinda rude :/


I is sorry, I sent it to the OP.


BAM!

Happy?

  • 01.31.2010 4:33 PM PDT
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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

Anyway, Lemme join this wonderful discussion!


Excalibur. Have no idea where that fits in anywhere, but it just popped into my mind with all the sword talk. Ignore it.


"I AM YOUR SHIELD, I AM YOUR SWORD"

All, sry. When I read something like this thread, I just start spitting up possible connections.

"I am from another time and place. Be seeing you, on my terms"

That one relates more to my Halo 4 theory, and MRT thread.

Its a linked, I know it. But how? And why?

  • 01.31.2010 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Posted by: Guscon
Heh, Joyeuse has 7 letters in it :)
Dun, dun, dunnn!

Cortana has 7 letters.
Durandal does not. :'(

  • 01.31.2010 6:36 PM PDT
Subject: New IP: Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana...Joyeuse?

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"Zombies.Gentlemen at times like these our capacity to retaliate must be and has to be massive,to deter all forms of aggression."-JFK

Something I found in a while I was playing marathon 2 Durandal.

Durendel Durandal Duranda

Charlemagne always used to call me Duranda,as if every part of war was somehow feminine.

Not that you would know the story.

(Keep in mind that the next sentence is probably not the exact thing I saw in the terminal)

It also explains why Robert couldn't kill me.

No one can


-Feel the Noise

[Edited on 02.01.2010 8:39 AM PST]

  • 02.01.2010 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
Something I found in a while I was playing marathon 2 Durandal.

Durendel Durandal Duranda

Charlemagne always used to call me Duranda,as if every part of war was somehow feminine.

Not that you would know the story.

(Keep in mind that the next sentence is probably not the exact thing I saw in the terminal)

It also explains why Robert couldn't kill me.

No one can


-Feel the Noise


This is interesting for a few reasons:

1. Obvious reference to Charlemagne.
2. Duranda has seven letters.
3. Duranda does sound like a female version of Durandal.
4. Who's Robert? Did you mean Roland maybe?

What level did you see this on?

  • 02.01.2010 9:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
Something I found in a while I was playing marathon 2 Durandal.

Durendel Durandal Duranda

Charlemagne always used to call me Duranda,as if every part of war was somehow feminine.

Not that you would know the story.

(Keep in mind that the next sentence is probably not the exact thing I saw in the terminal)

It also explains why Robert couldn't kill me.

No one can


-Feel the Noise


This is interesting for a few reasons:

1. Obvious reference to Charlemagne.
2. Duranda has seven letters.
3. Duranda does sound like a female version of Durandal.
4. Who's Robert? Did you mean Roland maybe?

What level did you see this on?


Yeah Roland sorry.I saw it on Feel the noise which is right before All roads lead to Sol...


EDIT:Also there was a picture with a Pfhor skull with a sword stabbed into it.

[Edited on 02.01.2010 9:50 AM PST]

  • 02.01.2010 9:49 AM PDT

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Well....k. Too many references, not enough Bungie games played. I'm gonna have to get on that. 'Till then (and I suppose afterwards too...), I'm gonna have to save this. Very nice.

  • 02.01.2010 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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The Joyeuse IP Formula

Posted by: SonicJohn
Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
Something I found in a while I was playing marathon 2 Durandal.

Durendel Durandal Duranda

Charlemagne always used to call me Duranda,as if every part of war was somehow feminine.

Not that you would know the story.

(Keep in mind that the next sentence is probably not the exact thing I saw in the terminal)

It also explains why Robert couldn't kill me.

No one can


-Feel the Noise


This is interesting for a few reasons:

1. Obvious reference to Charlemagne.
2. Duranda has seven letters.
3. Duranda does sound like a female version of Durandal.
4. Who's Robert? Did you mean Roland maybe?

What level did you see this on?

This reply may be kinda moot by now...

As said before, it's in Feel the Noise.

Although...

Terminal 2 of Kill Your Television has a reference in there as well.

EDIT: I found Robert. He's an intriguing man, to say in the least.

[Edited on 02.01.2010 12:38 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2010 12:30 PM PDT

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Couple things I'll say since I posted the exact terminal message:

Okay, so none of the names were 7 letters long; Mikey got the wrong name. Robert isn't mentioned at all in that stanza.

Charlemagne used to always call me
Durandana, the fruitcake.
All the many implements of war to him were in some way
feminine. Not that you know the story.

Tycho never got it right either, especially
the part about Roland breaking me. He
couldn't.


This is the most interesting bit to me. Especially the part of the implements of war being feminine to Charlemagne. It can probably be interpreted in many ways, but my personal feeling on it is that technically both AIs and swords don't have an actual gender applied to them, they just have their own appearance and personality. We're the ones with the perspective on what gender they represent.

Which leads me to believe that ignoring the name, Joyeuese, if the name is used in the next IP, will be the name of an AI that is either - in-appearance - female, or generally treated as such (in a similar way as Durandal was often referred to as Durandana by Charlemagne).

Although that does seem generally obvious anyway; most of the human AIs in Halo that we've been introduced to were female, so it'd make sense to expect the same in the future, I suppose.

Anyway, interpret to your hearts' content.

  • 02.01.2010 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
Couple things I'll say since I posted the exact terminal message:

Okay, so none of the names were 7 letters long; Mikey got the wrong name. Robert isn't mentioned at all in that stanza.

Charlemagne used to always call me
Durandana, the fruitcake.
All the many implements of war to him were in some way
feminine. Not that you know the story.

Tycho never got it right either, especially
the part about Roland breaking me. He
couldn't.


This is the most interesting bit to me. Especially the part of the implements of war being feminine to Charlemagne. It can probably be interpreted in many ways, but my personal feeling on it is that technically both AIs and swords don't have an actual gender applied to them, they just have their own appearance and personality. We're the ones with the perspective on what gender they represent.

Which leads me to believe that ignoring the name, Joyeuese, if the name is used in the next IP, will be the name of an AI that is either - in-appearance - female, or generally treated as such (in a similar way as Durandal was often referred to as Durandana by Charlemagne).

Although that does seem generally obvious anyway; most of the human AIs in Halo that we've been introduced to were female, so it'd make sense to expect the same in the future, I suppose.

Anyway, interpret to your hearts' content.


WHY DO I FAIL SO MUCH *Hits self with a baseball bat*

Wait but you said most AIs we've been introduced to were female in Halo

The new IP could be male and female personality constantly fighting with each other (kinda like Gollum).

  • 02.01.2010 4:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
The new IP could be male and female personality constantly fighting with each other (kinda like Gollum).
...do you know how hard it's going to be to get the image of ladyboy Gollum out of my head?

  • 02.01.2010 4:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
The new IP could be male and female personality constantly fighting with each other (kinda like Gollum).
...do you know how hard it's going to be to get the image of ladyboy Gollum out of my head?


LOL.

  • 02.01.2010 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Guscon
Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
The new IP could be male and female personality constantly fighting with each other (kinda like Gollum).
...do you know how hard it's going to be to get the image of ladyboy Gollum out of my head?
Yeah, I have the same problem.

Oh mah goodness.

Oh, and do you think the AI will be in very close contact with the main character of the story?

  • 02.01.2010 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Guscon
Posted by: Mikey Starr 340
The new IP could be male and female personality constantly fighting with each other (kinda like Gollum).
...do you know how hard it's going to be to get the image of ladyboy Gollum out of my head?
Oh dear gawd.

Anyway. I like the idea of split-gender AI, but it might be moving too far away from the core elements.

Anyone feel like taking an interpretive stab at what they think the new IP's story might follow, considering Charlemagne's story?

[Edited on 02.01.2010 5:10 PM PST]

  • 02.01.2010 5:00 PM PDT