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Subject: IP Forumla FOUND? Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse?

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Posted by: Access 240
In all seriousness, you must have pried something from urk during a drinking session... Something embarrassing, perhaps?
Oh, he shared a secret with me. So secret, in fact that I didn't believe him at first, or twice even. I swore to never repeat it.

To cut a long, cryptic, unrelated-to-thread story short, it was regarding a certain bond that ties us both together. Not on a Brokeback Mountain level, but definitely something deep nonetheless.

Besides, the only important thing that went down at that drinking session was this; urk with front-seat tickets.

Anyway guys, until an Employee does post something amusingly cryptic somewhere regarding this topic, I think we've exhausted our community abilities.

  • 02.07.2010 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
Posted by: Access 240
In all seriousness, you must have pried something from urk during a drinking session... Something embarrassing, perhaps?
Oh, he shared a secret with me. So secret, in fact that I didn't believe him at first, or twice even. I swore to never repeat it.

To cut a long, cryptic, unrelated-to-thread story short, it was regarding a certain bond that ties us both together. Not on a Brokeback Mountain level, but definitely something deep nonetheless.

Besides, the only important thing that went down at that drinking session was this; urk with front-seat tickets.

Anyway guys, until an Employee does post something amusingly cryptic somewhere regarding this topic, I think we've exhausted our community abilities.
Yeah, just about.
Nothing more to say, is there?
Now we wait.








I'm not very good at this.

  • 02.07.2010 8:15 PM PDT
Subject: New IP: Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana...Joyeuse?
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I think you have quite an interesting idea there, C5. It looks to me like Bungie is clearly following this pattern and that you may very well be right.

  • 02.08.2010 3:18 PM PDT
Subject: IP Forumla FOUND? Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse?

A voice is calling in the wind
yon the horizons, and from within
I deem the thought, shall I abide
these ghastly whispers inside?

All you people are crazy... digging into this research stuff and what not ...

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  • 02.08.2010 5:25 PM PDT
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Lmao, Master Chief never praises Cortana! Or Does he? I don't remember him doing it.

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  • 02.08.2010 5:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Crucio
Lmao, Master Chief never praises Cortana! Or Does he? I don't remember him doing it.
I don't think he does.
Well, he said her name a couple times, I guess that might count.
:P

*serious face*
Do the terminals/Cortana bits in Halo 3 have anything in them that might pertain to this?

  • 02.09.2010 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Posted by: Crucio
Lmao, Master Chief never praises Cortana! Or Does he? I don't remember him doing it.
I don't think he does.
Well, he said her name a couple times, I guess that might count.
:P

*serious face*
Do the terminals/Cortana bits in Halo 3 have anything in them that might pertain to this?
I don't believe they do. I think this is a context-sensitive topic. Not only that, but Frankie wrote the content for the Halo 3 Terminals; I think that he may have only been aware of the content within Halo alone and not the bigger picture.

I've read the Halo terminals countlessly and don't ever remember anything similar or related to "Durandal", "Cortana" or Joyeuse?

  • 02.09.2010 5:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
Posted by: xLAS3RP01NT3Rx
Posted by: Crucio
Lmao, Master Chief never praises Cortana! Or Does he? I don't remember him doing it.
I don't think he does.
Well, he said her name a couple times, I guess that might count.
:P

*serious face*
Do the terminals/Cortana bits in Halo 3 have anything in them that might pertain to this?
I don't believe they do. I think this is a context-sensitive topic. Not only that, but Frankie wrote the content for the Halo 3 Terminals; I think that he may have only been aware of the content within Halo alone and not the bigger picture.

I've read the Halo terminals countlessly and don't ever remember anything similar or related to "Durandal", "Cortana" or Joyeuse?
I could have sworn Robt McLees had written it. Perhaps it was a team effort?

  • 02.09.2010 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
I could have sworn Robt McLees had written it. Perhaps it was a team effort?
Well, in an interview for 343 I watched, Frankie mentioned that he had worked on the Halo Terminals whilst he was at Bungie. Obviously that doesn't mean he did all of it, but still.

  • 02.09.2010 5:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
I've read the Halo terminals countlessly and don't ever remember anything similar or related to "Durandal", "Cortana" or Joyeuse?

If memory serves the reference to Ogier the Dane was back when the Cortana Letters were generating a pre-ARG buzz throughout the Marathon community.

I do not believe that there was anything direct quote or link made in-game (Halo) along those lines (though there was the shield/sword line). Though in Marathon, Durandal did make references to Charlemagne being a fruitcake by referring to him or his namesake (Durandal) in the feminine form.
I know that it's discussed on the page, but I don't see it anywhere in the letters themselves.

I'll go through them some more to see if I can find anything in the letters themselves.

  • 02.10.2010 3:26 PM PDT
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  • 02.11.2010 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deus_Ex_Machina
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Kind of an update for anyone who's still paying attention to the thread:

While I was looking up stuff in the Cortana letters as a follow up to Recon's post, I stumbled upon something interesting in the discussion.
The following is taken from The Dictionary of Phrase and Fable by E. Cobham Brewer from the new and enlarged edition of 1894:
Ansias, Galas, and Munifican made three swords each, and each sword took three years a-making.
This kind of reminded me of the whole "trilogy" thing. Three IPs, three games per universe.

Perhaps I'm analyzing too much, but it seemed to fit.


Also...

James Lanfear <jclanfear@presys.com> writes:

Just reading the responses to the Cortana message and I was struck by something. Both the inscription on the sword and the story of who created it say that it was one of a set of three--either with Joyeuse and Durindana or Durandal and Sauvagine...

Tycho and Leela?

Or perhaps two new AIs?
Although, I think that was mentioned before.


But WTF is Sauvagine?

  • 02.12.2010 11:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: cortana 5
James Lanfear <jclanfear@presys.com> writes:

Just reading the responses to the Cortana message and I was struck by something. Both the inscription on the sword and the story of who created it say that it was one of a set of three--either with Joyeuse and Durindana or Durandal and Sauvagine...

Tycho and Leela?

Or perhaps two new AIs?
Although, I think that was mentioned before.


But WTF is Sauvagine?

Yes, I mentioned this previously, making a big fuss out of the fact that someone else mentioned "two new AIs".

I'm doing a bit of research now and the closest links I've been getting regarding "Sauvagine" is that it is most-definitely French.

It's a French word for a particular type of bird that we call the "Windfowl".

Rough Babelfish translation of the Wiki Page (with alterations by me, because damn:

Wildfowl

The wildfowl is a term used in French to indicate certain wild water birds, such as duck, swan, goose, etc. Of many species are regarded as small waterfowl. This term derives from "savage". It also defines the odor and the taste characteristics of this bird. The hunters of these birds are qualified "sauvaginiers".

In Canada, this category includes/understands as the bustard as the barnacle of Canada is called. [<-lol]

Certain associations, in particular Anglo-Saxon, specialized in the protection of the wetlands and the wildfowls like Ducks Unlimited (Unlimited Ducks), Wetlands International, Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust.


So it is certainly a word, that we would refer to as "Windfowl".

But that's all mostly irrelevant:

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MUNIFICAN. The three swords made by this cutler were Durandal, for Roland; Sauvagine and Courtain for Ogier the Dane.

...

An alphabetical list of the famous swords:- [I've extracted ours]

Courtain (the short sword), one of the swords of Ogier the Dane, which took Munifican three years to make.

Durandal, same as Durandan. Roland's sword, which took Munifican three years to make.

Durandan or Durandana (the inflexible), Orlando's sword.

Fusberta Joysa, another name for Joyeuse (q.v.).

Joyeuse (2 syl., joyous), one of Charlemagne's swords, which took Gallas three years to make.

Sauvagine (3 syl., the relentless), one of the swords of Ogier the Dane, which took Munifican three years to make.


There's a bunch of other swords there (and a lot more that took 3 years to make), so for viewing pleasure, here's a simplifed list of those "famous swords".

I don't know why they were being specifically interested in Sauvagine, because there's a bunch of other swords that are more/as interesting

But there you have it, that's what Sauvagine is.

I also found a post back in 2006 from Ender that refers to "Sauvagine" as "Sauvagins" if that helps.

[Edited on 02.13.2010 10:03 AM PST]

  • 02.13.2010 9:59 AM PDT

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You know what took 3 years to make?

Halo:Reach.

Just a thought.


Also, is Sauvagine in the Song of Roland?


[Edited on 02.14.2010 3:44 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2010 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
I also found a post back in 2006 from Ender that refers to "Sauvagine" as "Sauvagins" if that helps.
Ah, that makes more sense now!

About Ender's post:

I'm intrigued about the three brothers who made the sword. Perhaps each brother could help represent the AI's maker?

Perhaps that's far too off the subject or just blown out of proportion, but it would be cool to see if Ansias has anything to do with his, and perhaps if Strong-i'-the-Arm does too.

Ansias
The three swords made by this cutler were Baptism , Florence, and Graban,
all made for Strong-i'-the-Arm.

  • 02.15.2010 3:45 PM PDT

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The only certainty I will get behind in this topic is that the next IP will more than certainly have an AI or AIs as a key story element.

I just can't get behind all the references to French epic poetry.

It is, however, researched very well. This type of community involvement makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. No sarcasm.

An AI named Joyeuse, I could see. Borrowing cool names from mythology and slappin' em on awesome sci fi is pretty much Bungie's thing.

The entire IP story linkage and selection process being based on this? Doubtful.

  • 02.15.2010 6:50 PM PDT
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Really enjoyable read. Something tells me that if 343 sat down with Bungie and had a long talk on this things may turn out. This is like one of those games that strived to be epic but could never be, but since the company is already so well renowned it's like impossible for them to not get their way.

Thus, happy end.

  • 02.15.2010 7:14 PM PDT
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Nice post Cortana! And thanks btw, you inspired me to do some more searching on my most recent theory I'm working on, and I found some great new info.

  • 02.15.2010 8:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: JobeTheConqueror
The only certainty I will get behind in this topic is that the next IP will more than certainly have an AI or AIs as a key story element.

I just can't get behind all the references to French epic poetry.

It is, however, researched very well. This type of community involvement makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. No sarcasm.

An AI named Joyeuse, I could see. Borrowing cool names from mythology and slappin' em on awesome sci fi is pretty much Bungie's thing.

The entire IP story linkage and selection process being based on this? Doubtful.
Awwh! Thanks! I understand why you can't get behind the whole French poetry thing, but I felt that it was worth going that deep.

Posted by: Phoenix9508
Really enjoyable read. Something tells me that if 343 sat down with Bungie and had a long talk on this things may turn out. This is like one of those games that strived to be epic but could never be, but since the company is already so well renowned it's like impossible for them to not get their way.

Thus, happy end.
I don't think talking with 343 would be necessary in the least. Bungie is capable of continuing this tread with a new IP with Microsoft being none the wiser.
Posted by: DeathBringer669
Nice post Cortana! And thanks btw, you inspired me to do some more searching on my most recent theory I'm working on, and I found some great new info.
Awesome! I'd love to see how it turns out!

  • 02.16.2010 7:22 PM PDT
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Very good and LONG read. And I must say, was quite worth my time. Nicely written and highly educational for those with the attention span to read. I feel edumacated nao.

  • 02.17.2010 7:46 PM PDT