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I'm ashamed to admit it but I really want to see these Cortana Letters. Ya I know, I suck for not knowing about them, rub it in.
I didn't link them before?

Here they are in all their glory!

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Subject: IP Formula FOUND? Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse?
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Subject: The Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Curtana...Joyeuse?

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The Joyeuse IP Formula

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SonicJohn's original evidence showing that this theory is true, may be moot.

I brought this up on HBO and I'd like you to read Louis Wu's reply: click

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***ATTENTION***

SonicJohn's original evidence showing that this theory is true, may be moot.

I brought this up on HBO and I'd like you to read Louis Wu's reply: click


Re: Mythical Swords and Bungie IP's. *LONG*
By:Louis Wu <halo@bungie.org>
Date: 2/23/10 5:12 am
In Response To: Mythical Swords and Bungie IP's. *LONG* (Cortana 5)

One thing to add to this - 'Memories, Wishes, Dreams' seems to have gotten lost in the mists of time. It has basically been confirmed (by Matt, who posted the cryptic statement in the first place) that

* "Memories" referred to the Bungie Action Sack, a collection of all of Bungie's previous (to that point) games
* "Wishes" referred to the Marathon 2 source code, which Bungie was working on getting ready for release, and
* "Dreams" referred to Halo, at that point just a couple of months from being announced.

Sorry. :(

(Otherwise, nice work collecting all this stuff!)


D'aww. Ah well. That's but one small part of a larger picture. Here's hoping there be more revelations such as this, or future hints and crypticnesses.

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Hmm, that's a small disappointment for sure. But I think it just cleared up the tracks a little bit.

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@Surprisingly that guys account is less than a year old. Crazy.

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How the heck did you manage that username? How old is that account? I sense shenanigans.


@Hehe, I like getting stuff shipped but personally, for videos I always buy from the local store like HMV.

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Subject: The Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Curtana...Joyeuse?

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How the heck did you manage that username? How old is that account? I sense shenanigans.

Anyways, yeah, thread saved. Good read all in all, whether it ends up true or not.

Whatever the IP ends up being (a revolutionizing and optimizing of the FPS RPG I hope personally), an AI named Joyeuse would at the very least let us think it's all connected, whether it is or not.

Ignorance is bliss, no? Either way, I've always loved embracing the wonder and mystery of the Halo universe.

My Legends DVD has not arrived yet, I realize now. A week late. I will spill the blood of postman and delivery boys till this is resolved.

  • 02.23.2010 7:21 PM PDT
Subject: IP Formula FOUND? Bungie AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse?

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  • 02.24.2010 9:48 AM PDT
Subject: Bungie IP/AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse? **UPDATE 2/23**

Damn cortana, you can make one big post but also very good. I loved it!

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Damn cortana, you can make one big post but also very good. I loved it!
Awh! Thank you!

Like seriously, thanks you guys. I'm really glad that a lot of people contributed to this. I think I learned more stuff than I wrote!

Although, I'd still like to find something that has Bungie hint it themselves. Too bad the "Memories, Wishes, Dreams" thing didn't go through.
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  • 02.24.2010 3:28 PM PDT

Wow, that's a pretty impressive theory. Didn't think to ever tie the names of bungie AI's to ancient swords. That must have taken sometime.

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My apologies, but I will be honest and say I have not read all the replies. It is very possible someone has mentioned one or more of the things I am bout to. If that's the case, then please excuse me.

I feel, however, that there are some facts you have misunderstood and should be clarified for this theory.

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Durandal-Durendal (Endurance)
The meaning of Durendal is not actually known. While it does appear to derive from the same root word in Latin, "durus" meaning hard or unyielding, that is all that is apparent. The italian version of the name, "Durindana", means "inflexible". This is not a crucial point, but I thought it should be noted.

In the poem, Count Roland attempts to destroy the sword to prevent it from being captured by the ambushing Saracens and creates La Brèche de Roland in the Pyrenees in the process. But Durendal proves indestructible, so he hides it beneath his body along with the oliphant, the horn used to alert Charlemagne (More on Charlemagne later).To be more precise, Roland attempts to break Durendal by smiting it against a marble block ten times. This proves fruitless. The myth of him creating La Brèche is merely a folktale of the land. It is not stated as such in La Chanson de Roland (The Song of Roland).

According to Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando Furioso it once belonged to Hector of Troy, and was given to Roland by Maugris.
Orlando Furioso is a work created centuries after La Chanson do Roland. In La Chanson, it is made clear that Charlemagne was given instructions by the angel Gabriel to let Roland wield Durendal.

In Marathon Durandal did not want to suffer the same fate as Leela, so he asked to be destroyed. The player finds out that Durandal was not actually destroyed, just as Roland couldn't destroy the sword.
This is false. Completely and totally. Durandal never wanted to be destroyed. He had become rampant in the years leading up to the Marathon's arrival at Tau Ceti. He hid this fact from Bernard Strauss, his creator. When he detected the Pfhor ship within communications range, he called them over to the Marathon. His plan was then to take control of the alien ship and depart. Which he did. Leela did not suffer a terrible fate either. She manages to stay hidden from the S'pht hacking attempts with your help and survives until the end of the attack. We do find out at the end of Marathon 2 her ultimate fate:

While Tau Ceti was being nuked down to bedrock in 2794, Pfhor scientists disassembled and removed the AI Leela from the Marathon, loading her aboard a vessel bound for the Pfhor homeworld. But the ship fell into the hands of a Nar privateer between jumps at Beta Naxos, and was never seen by the Pfhor again.

Thinking the cargo little more than scrap, the Nar captain sold the Pfhor ship, Leela and all, to a Vylae merchant. The subsequent crash of the Vylae FTL network when Leela was reassembled and reactivated is still legendary in the annals of rampancy, and the Vylae have long since accepted that they will never expunge her from their fifteen-world network.


As for Hector being a holder of Durendal, I am not a big proponent of that theory. Yes, it is mentioned once in Orlando Furioso, but nowhere else and certainly not in La Chanson. In fact, the creation of Durendal is mentioned in Caxton's "Charles Le Grete":

Munyficans, that other brother, made another swerde whyche was named Durandal, Whyche Rolland had. that other was called Sauuognye and that other Cortan whyche Ogyer the Danoyshad.
The full text of "Charles Le Grete" discusses three brother-smiths who creates three swords each. These were all given to Charlemagne's men. The tale is reiterated in the "Croquemitaine". Both of these texts are even later than Orlando Furioso, however.

This is a rather broad comparison, but the player (to my knowledge) acts as the leader (second only to the AIs who tend to control him a lot. Kind of like your ex girlfriend: controlling) in defending the colony ship Marathon.
The Security Officer is actually not leading anyone in the defense of the ship. He acts as a lone soldier following Leela's instructions for the first half of the attack. Then Durandal sweeps him away to do his own devious work of freeing the S'pht from their cybernetic controller so he can get control of the Pfhor ship. The only person who could really have been leading an organized defense was Volker von Muller. This is, of course, only referring to a defense onboard the Marathon. The nine other Mjolnir Mark IV Cyborgs managed to keep the Pfhor at bay on the surface of Tau Ceti.

One version of the poem includes Roland's battle with a Saracen giant named Ferracutus who is only vulnerable at his navel.
This did not happen in the poem. The giant is mentioned first in the Pseudo-Turpin Chronicle and later in Orlando Furiouso (among other works).

The W'rkncacnter; a being(s) seemingly indestructible may have been a reference to Ferractus. The Sacren's navel may have been represented by activating a Jjaro station to trap the W'rkncacnter.
I feel this is a stretch. The W'rkncacnter isn't confronted until Marathon: Infinity. It is mentioned once in Marathon 2, but by then, the Roland parallels have dwindled to nothing but names. If we restrict our view to the first Marathon game, it is more likely that the Ferracutus analogy is to The Pfhor. They are larger in numbers, more technologically advanced, and ready to squash us. We, however, find that they rely heavily on the S'pht slaves they captured. Durandal instructs us to free them and we do so, allowing a rebellion to unfold, crushing the Pfhor attack.

At last, a confirmation of the connection between Roland's sword and your well behaved AI:
The first terminal on Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! relates the tale of Count Roland, who near death, attempts to break his sword to prevent it from being taken by the Saracens

This is but one of many mentions of the Roland mythos. Don't forget to look here, here, and here for starters. I do hope that "well behaved AI" was sarcasm. ;)

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Cortana-Curtana (Shortened)
Again, there seems to be some discrepancy with the definition. The name is derived from "curtus" which means "shortened". But the name was original "Courtain", which is French. "Courte" means short. "Courtain" has no specific meaning. However, it does not translate to "shortened". Courtain is not the past tense of a verb, that much is clear. The suffix "ain" is used to form a diminutive. In this case, it should be roughly "Small, short one".

A symbolically broken sword that is part of the traditional English regalia, now included in the Crown Jewels of the United Kingdom. According to legend, it bore the inscription "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper of Joyeuse and Durendal" (as Ogier's sword). In "Peter and the Sword of Mercy" the Sword is made of "heavenstone," which is meteoric metal infused with "starstuff." Curtana is the key to the main treasure of the entire book.
You are confusing your legends here. These are two distinctly different swords that have the same english name. The Sword of Mercy, known as Curtana, that is part of the Crown Jewels, is not the same Courtain wielded by Ogier the Dane. On top of that, "Peter and the Sword of Mercy" was a disney creation from 2009. Hardly relevant. The Sword of Mercy is historically believed to have been made for Charles I of England, which would be nearly nine centuries after the events of La Chanson de Roland. The inscription, however, is correctly attributed to Ogier's sword.

The second parallel that jumps out at me is the description of the sword's materials. IMO, to make a sword out of heavenstone and starstuff sounds like quite the feat. The AI Cortana was, metaphorically speaking, made of starstuff and heavenstone.
Again, this is coming from Disney's prequel book to Peter Pan published long after Halo came out.

Seeing that the brain donor is usually supposed to die, having Halsey survive was quite a feat.
Incorrect. The brain donor is not supposed to die after the mapping process. Even Halopedia (an untrustworthy source when they fail to correctly document things) mentions they often perform this process on the brains of the recently deceased or on the flash clone of a living brain, the latter of which was done with Halsey.

Master Chief Parallels:
I agree for the most part. See my posts in this thread for more of my thoughts on the subject.

Its provenance (birthplace) is related in the chanson de geste Mainet (fragment), which describes the childhood of Charlemagne, where he was forced to flee from danger in France and thus spending his time in exile at the court of the Saracen king Galfre in Toledo. Presumably this is where he learned to speak the language of the Saracens.I can find little information on Mainet aside from the fact it is one of the chansons de geste. Do you have a link by any chance to someplace I could get more information about it? I do, however, have information on Joyeuse's inception as given in Charles Le Grete and Croquemitaine again. These works list it as one of the swords forged by Galans, the brother of the smith who forged Durendal and Cortana. Which is interesting, because the inscription on Cortana does not appear in myths until it is recounted in Bullfinches Mythology, some 6 or 7 centuries after La Chanson de Roland is written. That is, in fact, the only instance of this phrase. (In actuality, it appears as "My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durindana.")

Curtana's holder, Ogier the Dane had teamed up with Charlemagne; "In La Chevalerie Ogier de Danemarche, he had a son who was slain by Charlot, son of Charlemagne. Seeking revenge, Ogier sought out and slew Charlot, and was only barely prevented from killing Charlemagne. He resisted Charlemagne for seven years but made peace with him to fight at Charlemagne's side against the Saracens, in which battle he slew the giant Brehus." Roland was already an ally.
It should be noted that not only was Roland and ally, he was Charlemagne's nephew and Ogier's best friend.

The inscription the sword holds may support this theory. "Anyone's sword" could mean that anyone could pick it up and use it, the knight included. The inscription may also imply that the AI may be a freelancer in some sense.
Are you going off of this inscription: "Decem oræceptorum custos Carolus"? I was only able to find this in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. While I do think Brewer's is generally a good source... I can't find any reference to an inscription in any actual Roland mythos texts. In addition, where did you find that it was lost in battle? I may have missed that, but I don't see that in any of the texts.

Assuming Roland and Orgier the Dane were present for Corsuble's beheading (or somewhere near), this is where all three swords come together at last.
This takes place fully within Bulfinch's Mythology, so I will take it as mythos canon for the purpose of this section. Roland and Ogier are both in fact there at this time. It is immediately following this encounter that he, Roland (as Orlando), and Olivier (as Oliver) are knighted. There may be an issue here, though. If we take La Chanson de Roland as correct in when Roland obtained Durendal, he would not have had it at this point. If we take Bulfinch's as correct, he DOES have Durindana in his possession, as he is given it by Charlemagne when knighted. I suppose we must utilize Bulfinch's for this particular analysis.

The linked theory suggests that at the end of Halo 3, the Master Chief is transported to the Marathon universe (200 years before the colony ship Marathon was attacked).
No. No no no. No no no no no. No. I won't go into it here, because I have done so a billion times in the past in a number of different threads. It is IMPOSSIBLE to link Marathon and Halo's universes without either parallel universes or having Durandal escape the closure of the Marathon universe and end up in Halo's. If you absolutely need me to write a detailed summary of this, I can. I spent a long time trying to link the two. I even had a group dedicated to that. It cannot be done. Nor should it.

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Now, it may seem after reading all of what I've written that I believe you to be a terrible person and a horrid theorist or somesuch. QUITE THE CONTRARY! I think you did a marvelous job taking a small connection (the inscription on Cortana) and fleshing it out with many more connections to find a pattern. I do believe that there are quite a few parallels between Marathon and the Roland Mythos as well as Halo and Ogier's tales. I think, perhaps, that some of your information was taken out of context or was misinterpreted, but a lot of what you said had merit.

If you're interested in this stuff, I'd recommend actually reading The Song of Roland (if you know French, get a copy in modern French; it is a much more elegant read than the English translations) and Bulfinch's Mythology. Also, James Baldwin wrote "The Story of Roland" which collects the myths in a fashion similar to Bulfinch's Mythology, but without adding connections to King Arthur (which, you'll find Bulfinch does incessantly.) Another great resource is this site. Oh, and don't forget to play the Marathon Trilogy!

These were interesting thoughts, so keep up the good work!

PS. Another trivial thing to note: Mjolnir Recon Number 54 may or may not be you, the player. There's a bit of a mystery there :)

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I'm loving this thread. I can't believe I don't spend more time down in Universe.

I have no real input, but this is still a great read and something to mule over.

  • 02.28.2010 4:51 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie IP/AI Formula: Durandal, Cortana... Joyeuse? **UPDATE 2/23**
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Wow, awesome contribution Ender.
I must say that you've corrected many small things, not that I can confirm or deny them but they seem accurate to me.

I think though that you've confirmed that the main path this theory is on is still a good one! Nice!

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Thanks. I'm a big fan of the Roland mythos and the Marathon games, so I wanted to make sure that certain points got smoothed out. And yeah, I do think that there are parallels. I don't know if Bungie will decide to continue this trend with another IP or not, but it'll be interesting to see how things play out!

I think it would actually be more interesting if they chose not Joyeuse, but Sauvagine, the third sword forged by Munyficans. There are multiple sources stating that Durandal and Cortana were part of a trio with this sword. Only Orlando Furioso says that Joyeuse is the third sword.

MAJOR EDIT: Oh my goodness. I just read through the replies. You have in fact mentioned me in some of the previous comments. I see SonicJohn has brought up some of the same things I have in passing. Perhaps my posts can shed some light on what you were confused about.

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  • 02.28.2010 8:48 PM PDT

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Thanks. I'm a big fan of the Roland mythos and the Marathon games, so I wanted to make sure that certain points got smoothed out. And yeah, I do think that there are parallels. I don't know if Bungie will decide to continue this trend with another IP or not, but it'll be interesting to see how things play out!

I think it would actually be more interesting if they chose not Joyeuse, but Sauvagine, the third sword forged by Munyficans. There are multiple sources stating that Durandal and Cortana were part of a trio with this sword. Only Orlando Furioso says that Joyeuse is the third sword.

MAJOR EDIT: Oh my goodness. I just read through the replies. You have in fact mentioned me in some of the previous comments. I see SonicJohn has brought up some of the same things I have in passing. Perhaps my posts can shed some light on what you were confused about.
Thank you for the previous lolhuge post from earlier. I went into this not knowing a thing about the three swords. My main source was wikipedia (horrible, I know), so naturally there are a few small things that didn't line up.

I think Sauvagine is also a possibility. Perhaps Joyeuse and Sauvagine show up at the same time, in the same IP? Alas, 'tis just speculation.

In the future I should do something on Sauvagine. The thing is, I feel that Curtana's inscription is the biggest chunk of evidence we have for my OP posts.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Ender!

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Ok.

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Who wrote this an AI? Wait...

  • 04.26.2010 2:17 PM PDT
Subject: Bungie IP Formula: Durandal, Cortana, Joyeuse? *REVISED VERSION 3/20*

Fantastic read! Thanks for such an awesome theory.

I cannot help but notice more similarities between Charlemagne and the Arbiter. Particularly with Ogier only barely being prevented from killing Charlemagne and the two eventually teaming up, similar to how Master Chief nearly kills the Arbiter when they first meet (for potentially the same reason, as the Arbiter is a former member of the Covenant that killed his "kin").

Also, Charlemagne was King of the Franks; the rank of Fleet Master, which the Arbiter, or more accurately, Thel had seems a similar position (it certainly commands around the same amount of respect). It is likely that he became a prominent political figure after the events of the Halo trilogy, possibly even responsible for uniting the shattered remnants of the Covenant, just as Charlemagne united Europe.

Which brings me to Charlemagne's sword, Joyeuse. The Arbiter carries a Covenant energy sword (which have carvings on their handles) and uses it to kill Truth, which could possibly tie into the beheading of Corsuble.

Just my thoughts, please correct me if I missed somthing.

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  • 04.28.2010 6:07 PM PDT

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Fantastic read! Thanks for such an awesome theory.

I cannot help but notice more similarities between Charlemagne and the Arbiter. Particularly with Ogier only barely being prevented from killing Charlemagne and the two eventually teaming up, similar to how Master Chief nearly kills the Arbiter when they first meet (for potentially the same reason, as the Arbiter is a former member of the Covenant that killed his "kin").

Also, Charlemagne was King of the Franks; the rank of Fleet Master, which the Arbiter, or more accurately, Thel had seems a similar position (it certainly commands around the same amount of respect). It is likely that he became a prominent political figure after the events of the Halo trilogy, possibly even responsible for uniting the shattered remnants of the Covenant, just as Charlemagne united Europe.

Which brings me to Charlemagne's sword, Joyeuse. The Arbiter carries a Covenant energy sword (which have carvings on their handles) and uses it to kill Truth, which could possibly tie into the beheading of Corsuble.

Just my thoughts, please correct me if I missed somthing.
I've noticed that too. Perhaps the games can parallel this bit of IRL history within their own IPs. I'm sure there are different planes of lore to inspect here.

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