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Well that's it really. Buck gunning on the Warthog on Coastal Highway, anyone?

Since I've recently been accused of being some sort of ODST White Knight (not that I really mind, but there it is), I thought I might as well create a thread about something I don't like about the game.

And that is it. Marine and ODST AIs just plain suck in the Campaign. I understand that you are the protagonist, that it's your job to do the job, so to speak, but COME ON: marines waiting 3+ seconds between bursts? Buck who just doesn't know how to fire his AR or a chaingun properly, at all? Seventeen million bullets to kill one grunt? That just breaks my immersion in the game.

If you've got stories showcasing the ultimate suckage of Ally AIs in ODST, then go ahead and share them.

[Edited on 02.08.2010 8:38 AM PST]

  • 02.08.2010 8:33 AM PDT

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ODST Rules, so White Knights FTW.

But yeah, marines do suck. Every time I give them the Rockets, I pray for an average firerate, but no, they have to be "Hmm, I wonder how can I shoot this thing? Oh, there it is. Now, how did I do it just now...?"
But I guess that it wouldn't be very fair to shoot infinite Rockets in all-out rage. It's just fair.
Anyway, we will forgive those dummies, right?

  • 02.08.2010 9:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Iron Mage
Well that's it really. Buck gunning on the Warthog on Coastal Highway, anyone?

Since I've recently been accused of being some sort of ODST White Knight (not that I really mind, but there it is), I thought I might as well create a thread about something I don't like about the game.

And that is it. Marine and ODST AIs just plain suck in the Campaign. I understand that you are the protagonist, that it's your job to do the job, so to speak, but COME ON: marines waiting 3+ seconds between bursts? Buck who just doesn't know how to fire his AR or a chaingun properly, at all? Seventeen million bullets to kill one grunt? That just breaks my immersion in the game.

If you've got stories showcasing the ultimate suckage of Ally AIs in ODST, then go ahead and share them.

The AI in H3 and ODST was crap. Mainly because ODST used the AI from H3 with only a few tweaks. Your un-named AI companions are worth little more than a distraction and as a walking ammo drop. They can't drive, they can't fight.

The one good thing? Dare and Buck are invincible so that made Coastal Highway a breeze. Gave Buck Rockets and gave Dare the Fuel Rod Gun from the War Chieftan. Then I sat back and did nothing while the game played itself.

I come back some time later and find that the game isn't finished because there's some Brute on an upper level who's just taking pot shots at the two love birds and diving back to cover before either of them decide to shoot that dam ape. So I had to go out and kill it myself. During which it promplty stuck and killed me.

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But I guess that it wouldn't be very fair to shoot infinite Rockets in all-out rage. It's just fair.
Anyway, we will forgive those dummies, right?

Of course we will. Too bad we can't betray the squad members occasionally, though! I remember getting so frustrated with Buck on Legendary that I spent like maybe a full minute trying to kill him with the rockets on Coastal Highway even though I knew I wouldn't be able to LOL.

But yeah. When you can give them splash-damage weapons like rockets and fuel rod with infinite ammo, then they start doing something in the game. Unless of course they shoot a rocket AT you while engaging brutes in melee... Yes, Mickey on Alpha Site, I'm looking at you!

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  • 02.08.2010 10:05 AM PDT

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Where are the rockets on highway?

  • 02.08.2010 4:26 PM PDT

they are down inside the 1st tunnel you see at the beging of the level.

  • 02.08.2010 4:48 PM PDT

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they are down inside the 1st tunnel you see at the beging of the level.


Is that only on legendary? I tried looking for it once on easy, but it wasn't there.

  • 02.08.2010 5:18 PM PDT

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Buck is an idiot. I was being chased by the brute chieftan and his energy hammer and he just stood there staring with a spartan laser not even shooting it. You agree.

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Posted by: UNSC ReconF56

Is that only on legendary? I tried looking for it once on easy, but it wasn't there.

The rockets I was mentioning are from the first plaza you go through when getting out of Data Hive, with the grav tower and plasma turrets. On the left side of the Plaza (as you enter it), just under the sniper rifle spawn, there are Rockets to pick up.

Then, later on, on the highway itself, there is rocket ammo to pick up near one or two shield door sections (not far from the health packs you find at each end of each highway section), if I'm not mistaken.

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Well Halo 3 marines AI were more intelligent than the ODST ones which they don't even kill 1 grunt on easy..

  • 02.08.2010 6:00 PM PDT
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"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die."

I was playing the game on Heroic. I got to the part where you start off with the Spartan Laser. Well, as I was killing Wraiths with my Splaser, you wouldn't believe how many times I had to restart due to the marines in the vehicles running me over!

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All it took was a stew of whoopass.

I really can't decide here. I never been betrayed by my marines, yet they don't seem to help without me sacrificing a tank to them, which blows up very shortly. So I say they're half and half at the moment.

  • 02.08.2010 6:01 PM PDT

Juan Bernardo

I remember in Halo 3 when there was like 4 marines surrounding a grunt and they were all throwing punches and the grunt wouldn't even react to the puches and just stand there until I came and killed him. Furthermore, yes the marines and ODST's do suck. I wouldn't want them to kill all of the covies but a little gun support would be nice. I really hate when I'm driving a warthog and the marine gunnig will not shoot the enemy, and when he is driving he pauses every 5 secs and goes the wrong way. The gameplay of ODST shows you how good Troopers were against covenant. However, we should all know that marines did provide sufficient support in Halo Reality. Bungie has made the marines look like marines, now they need the marines to act like marines.

  • 02.08.2010 9:42 PM PDT

Ryan(Sgt.Cortez)

Agreed,marines suck in every game.

  • 02.08.2010 9:59 PM PDT

Buck should not be allowed on a warthog turret.

You wanna talk bad AI? Look at Halo CE Marines. Those were pretty bad yeah, but great for their time. Compared to them, the new AI system is fantastic. The NPC's are there for immersion into the game, they are not meant to play the game for you. If they gave them too much direction, then the game would be a lot easier, which would not be as fun. Think about it. Would you like to sit back and watch someone play the game for you, or actually play it yourself........ That's what I thought. If you notice, they will hang back and take pot shots at the Covenant if you are always hiding behind things, and not moving forward, but if you leap headfirst into action, they will often be not too far behind you, actually doing something worthwhile. So yeah, Buck could be a better shot, or at least start shooting the darn Covenant from a greater distance away, but it's better than nothing... kinda.

  • 02.09.2010 2:07 AM PDT

lolnope.

My opinion, marine AI's are freakin sick in large groups but they still are retarded as hell. They run around on Tayari Plaza and get shot once...dead...

  • 02.09.2010 2:18 PM PDT

Winning or losing doesn't really matter much to me. I play for fun, and nothing you can say will change that. Sure, I have a low K/D, sure, I have a low rank in Halo 3, but I really don't care. It's not like it actually means anything. It's a number. And for the record, opinion and fact are two completely different things.

You let marines use assault rifles in ODST and you wonder why they suck? They gimped the assault rifle in ODST so people would use the smg. It takes an antire clip from the assault rifle in ODST just to down a brute's shields, compared to 1/3 of a clip in Halo 3.

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When I was attempting my Classic run, I gave a marine my spartan laser and got him into the passenger seat. While my driving wasn't always that great, the marine was able to get quite good shots on turrets and vehicular targets.

However, when I play campaign, I usually like to do the killing myself. I get more points that way.

  • 02.09.2010 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: ADVENT SYZYGY
You wanna talk bad AI? Look at Halo CE Marines. Those were pretty bad yeah, but great for their time. Compared to them, the new AI system is fantastic. The NPC's are there for immersion into the game, they are not meant to play the game for you. If they gave them too much direction, then the game would be a lot easier, which would not be as fun. Think about it. Would you like to sit back and watch someone play the game for you, or actually play it yourself........ That's what I thought. If you notice, they will hang back and take pot shots at the Covenant if you are always hiding behind things, and not moving forward, but if you leap headfirst into action, they will often be not too far behind you, actually doing something worthwhile. So yeah, Buck could be a better shot, or at least start shooting the darn Covenant from a greater distance away, but it's better than nothing... kinda.

The immersion disappears when they all die before the first firefight is over.

  • 02.09.2010 4:42 PM PDT

AI's in halo have been progressively getting worse...

  • 02.09.2010 4:59 PM PDT

Every time you say something is old your dick shrinks.

they were stupid in 2 also my friend told me to gun and let a marine drive. the marine turnd the car around and drove in the other direction

  • 02.09.2010 5:56 PM PDT

Winning or losing doesn't really matter much to me. I play for fun, and nothing you can say will change that. Sure, I have a low K/D, sure, I have a low rank in Halo 3, but I really don't care. It's not like it actually means anything. It's a number. And for the record, opinion and fact are two completely different things.

Protip: Never let the AI drive. Especially choppers. NEVER give marines choppers.

  • 02.09.2010 6:17 PM PDT

How about Buck running into a crate for five minutes until realising that it would be a good idea to go around it.

  • 02.11.2010 3:53 AM PDT

hi i am ethan9 i love to play halo i am obbsessed with it.

I agree with you

  • 02.11.2010 4:06 AM PDT

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