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Posted by: RIGOLUTION
I don't it feels like a expensive expansion pack but the should have added matchmaking for fire fight


This thread is not about the price of ODST. It is about Bungie selling the game under false pretenses.

  • 03.05.2010 3:13 PM PDT

The real question is why didn't I get the e-mail? I want those 3 free months =(

  • 03.05.2010 3:42 PM PDT
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This was actually a great marketing strategy...but not for us. Think about it. What game did the E-Mail Microsoft handed out to Xbox Live members mention?

Halo 2.

Microsoft knows that once that game goes offline in April, they will lose a chunk of that fanbase. So in an effort to win them back, why not offer 2-months of Live, 400 Microsoft Points and the Reach Beta? Smart move Microsoft.

Although I must laugh at the people going "BUNGIE R EVIL WHO RIP US OFF AND SCAMMED US!". You know very ell that Microsoft owns the Halo IP and, as publisher, can call the shots on all Halo related media. Yet you go and blame the developer, the people who are only making the games. Boy I hope you never work as a dev and have your publisher do this and cause all the bitter fans to hate you.

I find it funny gamers everywhere else are happy with what Microsoft did, but Bungie's fans are acting like spoiled brats. Maybe when you get your code you can give it to a friend. I know I will since I bought, and enjoyed, ODST already.

  • 03.05.2010 3:47 PM PDT

Regardless of whether Bungie posted the information voluntarily, or they had a gun to their head, they are still responsible for what is posted on their own website. It doesn't matter to me as I was going to buy ODST either way, but no matter how you look at it blatantly posting lies on your website is not good for your reputation. The average consumer is not going to connect the dots and realize that Microsoft made Bungie do this or that. At the end of the day Bungie must take responsibility for what it places on its own website.

I think a better question is whether or not Bungie will continue to use Microsoft as a publisher after Halo: Reach. I remember reading somewhere that Bungie was currently searching for a publisher for their new IP after Reach, so it is possible they may be switching. If they would continue to use Microsoft after Reach (which I would not be opposed to) then I would have no sympathy for Bungie concerning matters such as this.

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  • 03.05.2010 4:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: bblcreator
Regardless of whether Bungie posted the information voluntarily, or they had a gun to their head, they are still responsible for what is posted on their own website. It doesn't matter to me as I was going to buy ODST either way, but no matter how you look at it blatantly posting lies on your website is not good for your reputation. The average consumer is not going to connect the dots and realize that Microsoft made Bungie do this or that. At the end of the day Bungie must take responsibility for what it places on its own website.

I think a better question is whether or not Bungie will continue to use Microsoft as a publisher after Halo: Reach. I remember reading somewhere that Bungie was currently searching for a publisher for their new IP after Reach, so it is possible they may be switching. If they would continute to use Microsoft after Reach (which I would not be opposed to) then I would have no sympathy for Bungie concerning matters such as this.

Yeah...I would have done what Bungie did if I was in their position. They were probably binded by a contract, and as we saw with Infinity Ward and their breaching of their contract with Activision, it isn't wise to break it. Sure you may get the temporary respect of petty fanboys who turn on you when you don't appease them, but they aren't worth...

A. Losing your job
B. Going to court
C. Being shut down as a company

  • 03.05.2010 4:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: camnator
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This was actually a great marketing strategy...but not for us. Think about it. What game did the E-Mail Microsoft handed out to Xbox Live members mention?

Halo 2.

Microsoft knows that once that game goes offline in April, they will lose a chunk of that fanbase. So in an effort to win them back, why not offer 2-months of Live, 400 Microsoft Points and the Reach Beta? Smart move Microsoft.

Although I must laugh at the people going "BUNGIE R EVIL WHO RIP US OFF AND SCAMMED US!". You know very ell that Microsoft owns the Halo IP and, as publisher, can call the shots on all Halo related media. Yet you go and blame the developer, the people who are only making the games. Boy I hope you never work as a dev and have your publisher do this and cause all the bitter fans to hate you.

I find it funny gamers everywhere else are happy with what Microsoft did, but Bungie's fans are acting like spoiled brats. Maybe when you get your code you can give it to a friend. I know I will since I bought, and enjoyed, ODST already.


It's just as asinine to put complate blame on Microsft and pretend that Bungie was a slave that had no ability to correct the situation.

All of your previous "solutions" that Bungie could have done were not feasible.

Delay the game? That wouldn't sit well with fans and would be nothing but cannon fodder for those who wold use anything to flame the Halo franchise.

Not release the game? Not possible.

Of course, I base my opinion on the circumstances. Bungie is a developer, a company that makes a game. Microsoft is a publisher, they publish the game. As such, the publisher is responsible for marketing, price selection, and the use of the game in the future.

They price the game, they sell the game, they say when DLC goes on Marketplace, they price the DLC, and they are involved with anything relating to the game. Why would I not assume they held additional information about the Reach Beta? Perhaps Bungie knew, but if they did, they were under an obligation to not say anything unless they wished to lose their jobs or get sued.

Sorry, but I doubt having your respect and appreciation is worth more than having a job. It's already happened at Infinity Ward.

  • 03.05.2010 5:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: camnator
There was no reason for them to halt Reach temporarily and get a larger team on ODST,

Maybe having a release date they have to meet seems like a reason for both titles. Why delay the expansion while delaying the full-blown game. Yes, I called it an expansion, but it very well can be considered it's own damn game.

the last two months before ODST's release was slack off time for Bungie,

Because they were doing nothing. Glad to know we have an inside source such as yourself telling us exactly what they did.

Joe Staten is quoted saying he wouldn't have changed anything.

In "Terra Incognita" he says he doesn't know what they wouldn't do differently. He doesn't say they would do anything, they just don't know WHAT they would do.

So enough pretending that Bungie is a bunch of angels.

Your right, I should stop coming to the aid of a developer, the people who make the games, and just ignore the publisher, the people who market, price, and do anything related to the game.

They could have added content that most of us already owned.

Isn't that your initial argument already?

  • 03.05.2010 5:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: camnator
Go Vader, if I may speak hypothetically for a moment, even IF Microsoft was 100% responsible, how does that excuse ODST of being overpriced? We're discussing this in an ODST forum, how does using the, "Micro$oft's fault duuude!" arguement helping ODST? It's still overpriced. Perhaps you should reconsider your stance on this issue, and think more broadly.

By your scenario, you already admit that Microsoft is 100% for everything, pricing included. If it was overpriced, they are to blame. Of course, I don't consider it overpriced.

  • 03.05.2010 6:12 PM PDT

Camnator stop trolling in the threads about your opinion.

  • 03.05.2010 6:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: camnator
Posted by: Go Vader
Posted by: camnator
Go Vader, if I may speak hypothetically for a moment, even IF Microsoft was 100% responsible, how does that excuse ODST of being overpriced? We're discussing this in an ODST forum, how does using the, "Micro$oft's fault duuude!" arguement helping ODST? It's still overpriced. Perhaps you should reconsider your stance on this issue, and think more broadly.

By your scenario, you already admit that Microsoft is 100% for everything, pricing included. If it was overpriced, they are to blame. Of course, I don't consider it overpriced.


It was a hypothetical scenario, do you know what that means? I didn't "admit" anything, I'm trying to teach you important values.

I said "By your scenario", did that not hint that I understood your hypothetical scenario? Of course, tell me the values you are trying to teach me.

The values of harboring grudges for months? The values of insulting others, as you have done in the past? Sorry dude, but if a game sucks, I'll blame the developer.For pricing issues, I blame the publisher. It's simple.

  • 03.05.2010 6:19 PM PDT

Very clever... not!

The game has been released for months, if you were to have a valid point about the price you should have complained before it was released, not now. You are discussing in your meager whining about "why did this game cost this much waah!". I have seen you complaing about the same exact thing in multiple threads, that is known as trolling.

  • 03.05.2010 6:21 PM PDT

Would you grow up? This topic needs to get back on track ASAP.

  • 03.05.2010 6:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: camnator
"I said "By your scenario", did that not hint that I understood your hypothetical scenario? Of course, tell me the values you are trying to teach me."

The rest of your post was questionable, especially when you went on to say I admitted things.

"The values of harboring grudges for months?"

No, the value of standing up when a wrong has been done, and not saying, "Well, since it's been X amount of time we should just get over it."

So because the maps of a previous game were included, you feel wrong? Even if they didn't have the maps, which was revealed AFTER Microsoft announced ODST's price to begin with,ODST would have been $60. You feel wronged by getting previously owned content...for free?

"The values of insulting others,"

You do that one plenty on your own.

Not on a scale like you.

Also, why did you not respond to my correction of your misquoting of Brian? Just curious.

  • 03.05.2010 6:27 PM PDT