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Subject: Grunts being tough
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Yeah, I noticed that too. I guess that was due to a lack of communication between the writer and bungie (I am guessing).

  • 05.04.2004 2:25 PM PDT
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yeah , i noticed that that was the only halo novel that didn't say Official sumthing

  • 05.04.2004 2:26 PM PDT
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Where did everyone go?

  • 05.04.2004 2:27 PM PDT
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r u still here?

  • 05.04.2004 2:29 PM PDT
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hey when do u think halo 2 comin out?

  • 05.04.2004 2:32 PM PDT
Subject: The Covenant Primer
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Thanks for the update. Because I was playing Halo and I started to wonder where were they from; what is their world like; what about their government; and is their history anything like ours; did they have world wars; where they once enemys amoung each other. And I have another thing to say in Halo why didn't the covenant become allies at least to destroy the flood. Well thats all for now.

Email me at bluelight_1_2_3@msn.com.

  • 05.04.2004 3:02 PM PDT
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This update was a good way to bring the mysteries of the Covenant inot perspective. i'd like to see a propher or an engineer in halo 2 and hopefully more info. on exactly who Forerunner was. (humans and covie or just one of them)

  • 05.04.2004 3:28 PM PDT
Subject: Covenant Primer and some suggestions

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: halowolf
Posted by: Nedus
YOU werent there either!!yeah fire is understandable,but cavemen figured out how to create atmosphere and giant gravity-creating machines,and build a GIANT ring like 5000 miles across,and then launch it into space??yeah thats SOOO believable,isnt it?

1. Gravity can be "generated" by Halo spinning around its axis, the trick would be to get the spinning motion to produce ~1G normal, and to sustain the motion as the rotational energy is leeched away from micro meteorite collisions etc. We can create artifical gravity through this method right now.

2. I would imagine that it would only be practical to build a Halo structure in space. it would require a phenominal amount of raw material to create however, one would hope that the Forerunners had some form of matter conversion technology so that planetary bodies could be converted into the appropriate materials rather than requiring "mining" of the appropriate materials

3. Atmosphere is a collection of gases at various ratios, bound to a celestial body by gravity. Atmospheric gasses are something that is well within our ability to mix as we please. Chemical reactions can greate gasses we need as well as harvesting them from the atmosphere. Halo is in orbit with the gas giant Threshold, a vast resource of matter and interesting gasses just waiting to be harvested. Microbes can convert (what we consider) noxious gasses into more acceptable forms (as our very own Earth demonstrates) so creating an atmosphere for a ring world is no where near outsides the bounds of possibility.

4. Lets not forget that we have terraforming that also needs to be done to create habital land masses, and considering the planning that went into these masses with the "artifical" structures that start up top and continue down into the recesses of Halos subterranean machinery, its something to be impressed by (if we assumed this was real).

Right now our limitations are on the scale on which these things must be done. Both in time and resources, and the correct technologies to create them, and set the plan in motion. We are so hampered by the economic concerns of building, and researching new technologies (not to mention the egotistical side of research as well) that many grand things that we have the technology to build, or the ability to research, simply wont be beacause of the cost involved to do so. If only the cost of things such as these could be considered in non monetary terms and perhaps a few egos being suppressed then we could achieve so much more. Of course we can get wildly off topic proceeding along this tangent :)

And exactly how did the Forerunners suddenly become cavemen? Considering the (now) artifacts that they created, they are acheivements are hardly on the cavemen level. (If we supsend our disbelief for one second and assume that this is all real).




well im not the one who brought up cavemen.Rolamee did,saying that they discovered fire.With all this stuff you just specified,how can the Forerunners be idiots??which was the original topic for this particular argument,by the way

  • 05.04.2004 3:47 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: Rolamee
what orange ultimate weapon? ok ok ok so the foruners were really smart and stuff. but they obviously were full of themselves thinking they could contain the flood. they thought so much of themselves that it led to their destruction



i said "Omega" not "orange".i was just making a point.im tallking about the weapon that can destroy all sentient life,and thus starving the Flood,blah blah blah.

  • 05.04.2004 3:49 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: Rolamee
yup they are really fast. geez i just beat truth and reconciliation on legendary and PHEW


ahhh come on man!its not that hard

  • 05.04.2004 3:50 PM PDT
Subject: The Covenant Primer
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wazup everyone

  • 05.04.2004 4:29 PM PDT
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Nothing much.

  • 05.04.2004 5:01 PM PDT
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Yo Halo53, I'm real happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best bungie.net profiles of all time. OF ALL TIME!

I still can't wait for Halo 2. I didn't read through all 10 pages of this thread, just the first one, and everyone said how jakals have needlers. Well in one of the Halo 2 screenshots a jakal is carrying a plasma rifle. It may have been pointed it out but 10 pages is alot to read. Hell it could be the post before this one, I just read the first page.

[/wants Halo2]

  • 05.04.2004 5:07 PM PDT
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where have u guys been

  • 05.04.2004 5:42 PM PDT
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alone again

  • 05.04.2004 5:48 PM PDT
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Well time to talk to my lonely self

  • 05.04.2004 5:49 PM PDT
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Hey I hear the flood are in halo 2 and there's another ring to, and u can go on the moon

  • 05.04.2004 5:50 PM PDT
Subject: Grunts being tough
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great go tell a site who doesn't have that posted everywhere

  • 05.04.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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Oh yeah, i was being sarcastic so don't

  • 05.04.2004 5:52 PM PDT
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oo, ok i won't and i knew you were being sarcastic

  • 05.04.2004 5:52 PM PDT
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suuurrrrreeeeee you did

  • 05.04.2004 5:53 PM PDT
Subject: The Covenant Primer
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I did!

  • 05.04.2004 5:53 PM PDT
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  • 05.04.2004 6:01 PM PDT
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I want to clarify a few things.

1. The evidence that the forerunners are human is not nearly as concrete as everyone seems to think - although spartans "instinctively" know how to use the technology, who says the covenant doesn't also know how to "instinctively" use it as well? It's possible the forerunners are/were so advanced that they decided to provide a type of mind-probing device to allow even in-experienced people to use their inventions. Then there's the talk that 343 guilty spark reconizes master chiefs armor, but some of the technology in master chiefs armor was copied from the covenant, which was, in turn, copied from the forerunners, so of course guilty spark would recognize it. It's possible guilty spark just categorizes armor by it's level of effectiveness, rather than actually being aquainted with that exact armor design. Also, while studying the pillar of autumn, guilty spark comments "human history is it? fascinating!" Now why would he say that if he was built by humans?

2. The flood was not being contained on halo, it was kept there to be studied. Guilty Spark states quite clearly that "their survival as a race was dependant on it". Why would you bother to "contain" a race that's gonna die. (coincedentally, I have no idea why they would build all those rings to destroy the floods food and (most likely) themselves if the race was going to die on it's own. It's just one of the mysteries of halo.)(also the range was 25,000 lightyears, not 10,000)

3. If we remember that the flood was being studied, not contained, then it's quite possible that there were other research centers built by the forerunners, which means the flood could still be around. I highly doubt bungie would let such an interesting and destructive race die out, especially when we've barely begun to learn the history of it. Also, why would the forerunners have a galaxy wiping mega weapon to destroy the floods food if one spartan (albeit an awesome, cunning, kicka$$ spartan) could take them all out.

4. I think the reason that the grunts (and possibly guilty spark) speak english is simply because bungie wanted to make the game more interesting. I mean, where would we be today without all the grunts zany comments? (suck on that one, tin-man!) And having guilty spark speak an alien dialect would mean that bungie would have to change the story drasticly (or have cortana use some sort of convient translation device).

5. On the topic of having the other spartans (linda, kelly, etc.) fight along-side you in halo 2, I have to admit, it would be inarguably cool. Unfortunately it would require an excrutiating ammount of back-story and cinematics in order for gamers who haven't read the books to follow. I mean if halo 2 started where first strike left off it would leave a lot of gamers scratching their heads ("wait, wasn't master chief on a longsword circling halo's debris? AND WAIT A MINUTE, THERE'S MORE MASTER CHIEFS!?!?") The easiest way to have a simple transition from halo to halo 2, while still following the books, would be to introduce a 4th book, still inbetween halo 1 and 2, to bring everything back to a norm (normal in halo standards, like killing off the other spartans, and putting the chief in an easy to explain situation).

6. wait, there is no 6. I hope i haven't made too many people angry with me. I certainly did say a lot. (and just for the record, the forerunners could very well be human, i just don't think the evidence is concrete)

  • 05.04.2004 7:18 PM PDT
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who is gonna read that, and i wanna learn more about the brutes, those things are gonna be sweet

  • 05.04.2004 7:47 PM PDT