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Subject: Why the BR isnt in ODST

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After thinking about it i think i have figured out why the BR isnt in ODST. Its because its to good against Brutes. In Halo 3 it was ok how good it was. You were MC a 7ft tall super soldier. In ODST your just a marine. The BR couldent have been as good as it was in Halo 3. So rather than downgrade it and make us very mad, Bungie removed it. We were still made, but i think they decided we would be less mad if they just removed it all together. They did give us a better Carbine though (=.

  • 03.07.2010 11:28 AM PDT

Well, I think Bungie had in mind that they were making the ODST seem different to Spartans. So they have specialist weapons (silenced) in place

  • 03.07.2010 12:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Kotastrophi
Well, I think Bungie had in mind that they were making the ODST seem different to Spartans. So they have specialist weapons (silenced) in place

What you said. The ODST team wasn't all about strength and overwhelming power. It was aboutprecision and tactics. Besides, the silenced weapons really gave the game a nice special ops feel. Remember that also the UNSC is pretty big. The BR was experimental and doing its final in-field development during the timeframe of Halo 1, and Halo 2 takes place only months after that, so they wouldn't have had time to have distributed BR's around the entire military. This also occurs in real life. For example: The M-1 Garand was used in WW2. It was mostly replaced in the Korean War with the M-14, which in turn was replaced mostly with the M-16 in Vietnam. However, the Garand continued to be fielded until partway throug the Vietnam War. The point is that it takes time and resourced to develop, distribute, and train a military with a new weapon. As a result, the BR's were only given to frontline units that saw a lot of action. Meanwhile, the older weapons were distributed to backwaters, such as Earth. Another reason why the BR wasn't in ODST is because the forces on earth were there as a last resort defense force; not fighting a lot of battles reguarly. In modern military terms, the BR is like the DM, or Designated Marskman weapon, so it's only given to the squad's DM. The new AR was in ODST, but that's because it was much more of a general-purpose weapon meant for usage by the regular infantryman.

  • 03.07.2010 12:31 PM PDT
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I've beaten ODST and Halo 3 on Mythic.

The real reason is that it would have made the game too easy. The game is already easy, so if they added a weapon. That can be used in close, medium, and long range that's a head shot weapon. The game wouldn't have felt hard.

Also the carbine is exactly the same as it was in Halo 3. It just feels stronger, probably because people never used it in Halo 3's campaign.

[Edited on 03.07.2010 1:25 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2010 1:24 PM PDT

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  • 03.07.2010 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: mortabunt
Posted by: Kotastrophi
Well, I think Bungie had in mind that they were making the ODST seem different to Spartans. So they have specialist weapons (silenced) in place

What you said. The ODST team wasn't all about strength and overwhelming power. It was aboutprecision and tactics. Besides, the silenced weapons really gave the game a nice special ops feel. Remember that also the UNSC is pretty big. The BR was experimental and doing its final in-field development during the timeframe of Halo 1, and Halo 2 takes place only months after that, so they wouldn't have had time to have distributed BR's around the entire military. This also occurs in real life. For example: The M-1 Garand was used in WW2. It was mostly replaced in the Korean War with the M-14, which in turn was replaced mostly with the M-16 in Vietnam. However, the Garand continued to be fielded until partway throug the Vietnam War. The point is that it takes time and resourced to develop, distribute, and train a military with a new weapon. As a result, the BR's were only given to frontline units that saw a lot of action. Meanwhile, the older weapons were distributed to backwaters, such as Earth. Another reason why the BR wasn't in ODST is because the forces on earth were there as a last resort defense force; not fighting a lot of battles reguarly. In modern military terms, the BR is like the DM, or Designated Marskman weapon, so it's only given to the squad's DM. The new AR was in ODST, but that's because it was much more of a general-purpose weapon meant for usage by the regular infantryman.

Excellent point, except one problem, these are ODSTs the elite UNSC infantry (not including spartans) who are gearing up for an extremely important mission. Remember that all the marines on earth had BRs before the covenant attacked (Halo 2).
I think that the BR wasn't in ODST was because it would seem redundant with the new pistol and the carbine. It was also to change the feel of the game, like the silenced weapons.

  • 03.07.2010 1:55 PM PDT

Dr. Angelo, PhD.

ODST =/= Marines.

If anything, ODSTs are greater than Marines...

Also, you can't think that one weapon was taken out because it could slay an enemy with ease. Hell, if that's the case, then why is the Rocket Launcher still in?

If anything, the removal of the Battle Rifle made the game a bit more balanced in terms of "You already have a weapon like it, why do you need it's substitute (In this case, the Battle Rifle as a Substitute for the Carbine)?".

  • 03.07.2010 2:00 PM PDT

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There is a BR in ODST. The downside in it though is that is only in the cut scene on the mission where Romeo is hit with the gravity hammer. The police officer that gets whacked across the pelican is holding it. I once glitched, don't ask me how but I was able to fight the brute and pick up the BR. Call me a liar if you want but it really happened to me.

  • 03.07.2010 2:32 PM PDT

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In my opinion, ODST served as a test for Reach. Like they wanted to see how the gameplay and fans would react by tweaking certain things. Like removing dual wielding, replacing the BR with a single shot counter-part, adding VISR mode (which I believe I've heard is in Reach), making the plasma weapons actually feel powerful again, etc.

[Edited on 03.07.2010 2:46 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2010 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: ricky99
There is a BR in ODST. The downside in it though is that is only in the cut scene on the mission where Romeo is hit with the gravity hammer. The police officer that gets whacked across the pelican is holding it. I once glitched, don't ask me how but I was able to fight the brute and pick up the BR. Call me a liar if you want but it really happened to me.

thats cool do you have a video of it ?

  • 03.07.2010 2:45 PM PDT

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No. I have tried but it it won't let me do it again. It was the first day I played and I thought it was part of the game until I did it on legendary. Sorry everybody. =(

  • 03.07.2010 2:56 PM PDT

Semper Fi.

The BR isnt in ODST because the pistol is good again. And the carbine is so common that you dont need the BR anyways.

  • 03.07.2010 3:08 PM PDT

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  • 03.07.2010 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: kirachief117
Posted by: ricky99
There is a BR in ODST. The downside in it though is that is only in the cut scene on the mission where Romeo is hit with the gravity hammer. The police officer that gets whacked across the pelican is holding it. I once glitched, don't ask me how but I was able to fight the brute and pick up the BR. Call me a liar if you want but it really happened to me.

thats cool do you have a video of it ?
hes lying, its not in the game as a weapon, it scenary.

  • 03.07.2010 3:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Furerian
The BR isnt in ODST because the pistol is good again. And the carbine is so common that you dont need the BR anyways.


I always said it would've been awesome if there was some sort of silenced one-shot BR.

But then a few months later I saw the Vidoc for Halo Reach.

The DMR isn't silenced, but spot on guys!

  • 03.07.2010 6:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: mortabunt
Posted by: Kotastrophi
Well, I think Bungie had in mind that they were making the ODST seem different to Spartans. So they have specialist weapons (silenced) in place

What you said. The ODST team wasn't all about strength and overwhelming power. It was aboutprecision and tactics. Besides, the silenced weapons really gave the game a nice special ops feel. Remember that also the UNSC is pretty big. The BR was experimental and doing its final in-field development during the timeframe of Halo 1, and Halo 2 takes place only months after that, so they wouldn't have had time to have distributed BR's around the entire military. This also occurs in real life. For example: The M-1 Garand was used in WW2. It was mostly replaced in the Korean War with the M-14, which in turn was replaced mostly with the M-16 in Vietnam. However, the Garand continued to be fielded until partway throug the Vietnam War. The point is that it takes time and resourced to develop, distribute, and train a military with a new weapon. As a result, the BR's were only given to frontline units that saw a lot of action. Meanwhile, the older weapons were distributed to backwaters, such as Earth. Another reason why the BR wasn't in ODST is because the forces on earth were there as a last resort defense force; not fighting a lot of battles reguarly. In modern military terms, the BR is like the DM, or Designated Marskman weapon, so it's only given to the squad's DM. The new AR was in ODST, but that's because it was much more of a general-purpose weapon meant for usage by the regular infantryman.

Makes sense but bungie wouldent pay attention to that..

  • 03.07.2010 7:35 PM PDT

Posted by: BOB THE DOCTER
Posted by: kirachief117
Posted by: ricky99
There is a BR in ODST. The downside in it though is that is only in the cut scene on the mission where Romeo is hit with the gravity hammer. The police officer that gets whacked across the pelican is holding it. I once glitched, don't ask me how but I was able to fight the brute and pick up the BR. Call me a liar if you want but it really happened to me.

thats cool do you have a video of it ?
hes lying, its not in the game as a weapon, it scenary.


during the mission, look at the police officer who is fighting with you.

1. he is holding the BR (in game)

2. he is impossible to kill normaly (i've tried everything: sticking, rockets, laser, beating, he doesnt die untill the cutscene.)

  • 03.07.2010 8:36 PM PDT

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thats o.k. call me a liar. i do not care. like i said call me a liar if you want but it really happened to me.
(this is for BOB THE DOCTOR only. I am new at this so i do not know how to add a old message and a response into this. If someone could tell me i would appreciate it)

[Edited on 03.08.2010 2:11 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2010 12:07 PM PDT

Zombie? What are you!? Racist? Its called "living impaired" you idiot!

Halo CE type pistol and silenced SMG. Y=Why don't you give the assault rifle a whirl? Its personally, my favorite gun. I was dissapointed it wasn't in Halo 2.

  • 03.08.2010 1:17 PM PDT

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The cop is holding a rocket launcher...

  • 03.08.2010 1:33 PM PDT


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Posted by: HC Thug Nasty
probably because people never used it in Halo 3's campaign.


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  • 03.08.2010 2:23 PM PDT

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The battlerifle i thought in cannon was a prototype weapon and was only sparingly available for the navy. I don't know if the ODST are considered navy or marines in halo ODST so there's a possibility that if they're more ground focused they were never given the opportunity to obtain navy grade weapons but instead have specialized weapons like the pistol and smg which the navy doesn't have, all IMHO.

[Edited on 03.09.2010 2:15 AM PST]

  • 03.09.2010 2:12 AM PDT

Posted by: Wild Smurf 14
In my opinion, ODST served as a test for Reach. Like they wanted to see how the gameplay and fans would react by tweaking certain things. Like removing dual wielding, replacing the BR with a single shot counter-part, adding VISR mode (which I believe I've heard is in Reach), making the plasma weapons actually feel powerful again, etc.


I could not have said it better myself.

Which is why I was a little disappointed with the game, I would have love to see something along the lines of Rainbow Six Vegas 2, but with that style and fluidity that only Bungie Games can offer.

I mean, I really felt as though the ODST were still a little over powered (ripping up turrets and walking with them). I find the only way to make the ODST feel right in comparison to Halo 3 on normal, is to play on heroic with the Skulls that Double the enemy life and increase their field rank.

But yeah, no BR was a bit odd to me, but I feel like in a lot of ways the BR ruined a particular aspect of halo for me. so I didn't miss it. Not with that Pistol in it's place.

  • 03.09.2010 6:14 AM PDT

thatguyiknow I totally agree with you. The br would have been way too over powered in odst. it may be an amazing weapon but it doesnt fit.

  • 03.09.2010 1:30 PM PDT
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You do know that before ODST was released they did announce that they didn't put the BR in ODST because the graphical artists didn't like it in an interview

  • 03.09.2010 1:52 PM PDT

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