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Subject: I move to dismiss ILB
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The site I love bees can refer to anything. Just imagine, you were all hyped about the sequel to your OTHER favorite game which has some suspense/horror to it. Not halo. Just imagine this site was about that game and someone gave the same things from ILB for example:

"The day will break and the sun will rise when the Queen returns to rule, and further let it be known that retribution on any who hinder the return of the Queen will be swift and terrible."

I mean, come on people, this is just generic quotes. Those who find relations between this and Halo, while observant, are also just overcomplicating things. The cafepress site with Halo 2 logo is easy to recreate. If a hacker has control to the site itself, he can easily get the information required to hack into cafepress.

Lemme put it in a way a Halo fan would understand.

Hacker = Flood
Original ILoveBees site = Marine
current ILB site = Infected Marine. Head is currently hanging on the side.

OK?

Please reply if I haven't answered every shred of proof. This thing is sickening and I want to put it to rest.

  • 07.30.2004 9:38 PM PDT
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Bungie knew this would happen when they made Ilovebees.

  • 07.30.2004 9:42 PM PDT
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Good luck getting rid of ILB topics.

ILB obviously refers to Halo. The new quotes and dialogue on the site have terms that come straight out of the Halo Universe. Such as ONI Technicians, glassing planets, colonized planets, etc. Not to mention some quotes from the Halo books.

  • 07.30.2004 9:43 PM PDT
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I really don't know what this whole ILB thing is about besides the fact it says Halo 2 will come out on August 24th, and I don't want to know. But one thing for sure is it's annoying. Every other topic seems to be about ILB. You've got my vote Terradyne.

-Eggo, coming to a frozen foods section near you.

  • 07.30.2004 9:46 PM PDT
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OK people, specific proof. You say that the later changes to ILB site reflect the covenant. You see, they baited the Halo community, now they want to exploit it. Our community as a whole fell for a cyber con man. You guys are like sheep, believing what these guys said.

The advertisement for the site might have slipped through the marketing guys noses. Bungie isn't a hostile all-consuming business that many make it out to be. In the business world, a company isn't guilty by association. Just because Visioneer is a part of Digital River, doesn't mean their products suck. I use Paperport all the time.

Give me examples, specific proof from the first hacked version of ILB. I'll show you how it's all a lie.

  • 07.30.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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ok, Mr. Disbeliever that this is related to Bungie, explain why the THEATRICAL TRAILER has a mention of www.ilovebees.com. That would not be in there unless it was intentionally put there by MicroSoft or Bungie.

  • 07.30.2004 9:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: JohnKerensky
ok, Mr. Disbeliever that this is related to Bungie, explain why the THEATRICAL TRAILER has a mention of www.ilovebees.com. That would not be in there unless it was intentionally put there by MicroSoft or Bungie.


Yeah thats the best and only arguement you need. The fact you can still download a trailer with the Ilb in it after all the speculation proves without a doubt that this is related to halo 2 and bungie.

  • 07.30.2004 9:58 PM PDT
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Just imagine the hundreds of people involved in the marketing division for Microsoft. Then, know that Microsoft would outsource the ad development to another corporation. These guys designing the ads include many a computer-savvy media-jockey college boy. Even if it's 1/10 of the people there are college men, who are most susceptible to pranks. Understand that marketing divisions have the youngest average age of employees than any other division of a corporation.

Outsourcing + Microsofts inhouse marketing division = a little over 1200 people who had access to the Halo 2 ad. Out of that around 120 of them would be susceptible toward doing a prank. The odds of this happening are very good. The quality control people might not have been looking at the URL. I know that I had to look real hard to find the URL on the first lo res versions. It was easy to miss and that's all that happened. That is why the website only took 1 second. That was a maximum of 65 frames that URL was on.

  • 07.30.2004 10:04 PM PDT
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No, apparently you do not understand how this works. They were not veiwing the trailer on some -blam!- computer with a -blam!- graphics card at a -blam!- resolution. They were veiwing it probably crstal clear on a high-definition monitor/television set. there is NO WAY somehting like that would be missed even if your ludicrous number were accurate, which they are most likely not.

  • 07.30.2004 10:07 PM PDT
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Terradyne, yes.....of corse. For my first point, it is shown in theaters in hi-res ver. and was undouptedly viewed repeated before they decided to run the ad and if some people in a theater saw it, microsoft would have too.

Next, for www.ilovebees.com to with stand all the people going to that site takes alot of money for bandwidth and good servers. No college kid could possibly aford it. Also, nobody has that kind of thing for their little personal page. Even if it was attacked by hackers. It would prob be registed with angelfire or somthing.

[Edited on 7/30/2004 10:15:50 PM]

  • 07.30.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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If bungie denied it, you people would go in an uproar. You guys would dissect it even more and spoil their reputation. Who'd want to buy games from a company that hijacks other people's websites eh? Not me, that's for certain. I have my own website and I like it. I don't want some company hijacking it for a publicity stunt.

If bungie accepted it, the "I told you so" syndrome would have started. The hackers who actually took over the site would have then put very very inappropriate content on the website and again Bungie's reputation would go bad.

Bungie is a good company with good people. They don't want to be trapped by a bunch of cyber monkeywrenchers. It's a very petty thing for the hackers to do, but if it can take out a company owned by the dreaded (oh no!) Microsoft (there I said it) they will have satisfied their ego and used this to "prove" to their online friends how big balls they had. Just imagine how that would look on your profile.

I majored computer Science at UC Berkeley and virtually destroyed the consumer base for the most anticipated game ever.




See, these guys are malicious. They don't care for how hard the programmers worked at Bungie for Halo 2. The more Chaos they can create, the better.

  • 07.30.2004 10:12 PM PDT
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Im beggining to think terradyne is just trolling, i mean i thought we were beyond the whole 'this has nothing to do with bungie' thing. Simple fact of the matter is, if the ilovebees wasnt intended by bungie or m, it would have been replaced within 5 minutes. The end result is we have a website with halo references and a very elaborate setup that is being encouraged and hasnt been disputed.

  • 07.30.2004 10:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Smarterdanu


Next, for www.ilovebees.com to with stand all the people going to that site takes alot of money for bandwidth and good servers. No college kid could possibly aford it.


Says who? Besides, ILB is a site that already had it's own servers. The hackers just overtook it. Yes, I'm amazed at how much the site is withstanding, but my site can take unlimited data transfer. It just resets every other day. It's possible for ILB to be a simple small business site that was overtaken

I am against this so much because once hackers took over my small business website and I have a relatively undeclared kanly on them. I see so many people duped by these guys, which I want to reverse.

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  • 07.30.2004 10:15 PM PDT
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I'm disputing it, ain't I? They don't want to squash anything because then you guys would accuse Bungie and MS of being Orwellian. It's a matter of looking good and damage control. They are just hoping this will heal over. I'm just trying to make people understand their folly in following the blind idiot who did this to the ILB site.. Now, I'm trolling am I? Then I guess I shouldn't be encouraging discussion. I should just be flaming someone. So what I'll do is talk with Davester88 and PM you. OK?

Get your net terms right. Please. I wish for an intelligent discussion. If you guys give proof that cannot be reasonably neutralized, I'll admit defeat. So bring it on.

  • 07.30.2004 10:19 PM PDT
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To admit that their trailers have been farked is to admit vulnerability. More people will get into it. I'll find out more tommorow. Specifics. Until then, let's just assume that part of the ILB thing has participants inside MS.

  • 07.30.2004 10:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Terradyne
I'm disputing it, ain't I? They don't want to squash anything because then you guys would accuse Bungie and MS of being Orwellian. It's a matter of looking good and damage control. They are just hoping this will heal over. I'm just trying to make people understand their folly in following the blind idiot who did this to the ILB site.. Now, I'm trolling am I? Then I guess I shouldn't be encouraging discussion. I should just be flaming someone. So what I'll do is talk with Davester88 and PM you. OK?

Get your net terms right. Please. I wish for an intelligent discussion. If you guys give proof that cannot be reasonably neutralized, I'll admit defeat. So bring it on.


"You guys are like sheep, believing what these guys said.

The advertisement for the site might have slipped through the marketing guys noses."

Yes your intelligent generalization of everyone here as sheep is worth responding to, let alone you actually think the ILB would pass through the cracks. Your arguements are pointless because you fail to see that something like this does not pass through the cracks. As a digital artist i know how approval and media authoring works. There isnt a way for someone to get ILB embedded into the trailer, then have the trailer be approved for print without any officials knowing of it. All media goes through screening process, especially a trailer which has to be approved by both m and bungie on both a creative and liability level. If it were hackers, the news story would have been just that, but then again hackers are impossible in this case due to the trailer.

Im sorry but give it up, you wont win this because your arguement is flawed at its base.

  • 07.30.2004 10:27 PM PDT
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discussion is fine, but you are being argumentative. that being said, i think the answer to the puzzle was found at www.ihatebees.com. obviously put up by bungie or microsoft, also.

  • 07.30.2004 10:32 PM PDT
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You, sir, are a complete bafoon if you think that www.ilovebees.com was ever put up by an 'Aunt Margret' who has three bee hives and has been 'making honey' for seven years. People have already looked into this, no such business exists in the place it claims to be(e.)

  • 07.30.2004 10:32 PM PDT
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My mistake in generalizations. You people are not like sheep. The people who will not allow that this has nothing to do with Bungie are sheep though. Like I said before, I'm willing to accept defeat if you prove me wrong. Conclusively. Not just by showing something I can't prove wrong conclusively.

In my opinion, there are a few people inside Bungie and MS who have focused and reveled from this ILB thing. I will go so far as to say it might have quite a few employees backing it, but for now, I'll stand firm in saying that it is not official, and not planned. The bosses at both companies and the bosses at the outsourcing company didn't tell anyone to put this in.

  • 07.30.2004 10:34 PM PDT
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try calling the phone number listed for dana at her blog. (415)-248-2617. the message has changed. it's obviously set up by bungie or microsoft and is very cool. i personally am giving big props to the genious behind this very entertaining episode. :y:

  • 07.30.2004 10:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: JohnKerensky
You, sir, are a complete bafoon if you think that www.ilovebees.com was ever put up by an 'Aunt Margret' who has three bee hives and has been 'making honey' for seven years. People have already looked into this, no such business exists in the place it claims to be(e.)



Finally! Something concrete. Please show me the proof and I'll investigate further.

BTW there is no need for even mild name calling. I realize I did this earlier and aplogize. I have changed my tune, please do likewise

Also, the numbers 3, 5, 7 and 10 tend to be the most common numbers used. A close runner up is nine. The paralels in "7 years" and the Tru7h, while intriguing, are meaningless by themselves.

  • 07.30.2004 10:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Terradyne
My mistake in generalizations. You people are not like sheep. The people who will not allow that this has nothing to do with Bungie are sheep though. Like I said before, I'm willing to accept defeat if you prove me wrong. Conclusively. Not just by showing something I can't prove wrong conclusively.

In my opinion, there are a few people inside Bungie and MS who have focused and reveled from this ILB thing. I will go so far as to say it might have quite a few employees backing it, but for now, I'll stand firm in saying that it is not official, and not planned. The bosses at both companies and the bosses at the outsourcing company didn't tell anyone to put this in.


uh if someone at bungie and ms were involved, then where does your whole hackers theory fit? If they were involved than its really no different if it wasnt planned or not. Point is it involves bungie and m and it relates to halo 2, not some hackers that have screwed the trailer and somehow manipulated bungie into feeling vulnarable or something. Also the fact that they have a high resolution trailer at that quality leads me to believe the trailer wasnt tampered with as well. For the trailer to be tampered with, it would need to be re-rendered and recompressed to fit in its downloadable size, at its quality its at now i can tell you it was only rendered the minimum amount of times it needed to be, meaning the ilovebees was part of the original edit render and had to be planned to bgin with.

  • 07.30.2004 10:39 PM PDT
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Oh, I meant nothing by the numbers, just repeating what was on the site. now... if I can jsut find where people said that........

  • 07.30.2004 10:39 PM PDT

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