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noone has considered this because if the covenant wanted us to be part of their cult they wouldnt slaughter the humans and the cease their holy-genocidal campaign. quite simply the covies want to see every last one of us dead.

  • 05.09.2004 7:36 AM PDT
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Too true- an wat kind of game would it be without enemies lol.
btw where can u find the bloody walpaprs on this site
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[Edited on 5/9/2004 8:28:09 AM]

  • 05.09.2004 8:23 AM PDT
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I don't think that there will be another ring to fight on because they are so far apart the MC would have to take a little detour from earth, which is unlikely. Also it would kill the great plot thats been built up. The closest we will get to alien architechture will porbably be a covenant home planet or HUGE ship

  • 05.09.2004 8:30 AM PDT
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Yeh in the documentory trailer they said Halo 2 would go 2 like huge gas giants, but no mention of rings. i just hope they keep the huge outdoor areas which were so good in halo.

  • 05.09.2004 8:33 AM PDT
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Ya but i think it will probely take place in the ONI bace or something like that, becouse ONI and the UNSCI are basicily the main targets for the cov to attack so some how, maybe it will take place around those areas or maybe it will take place in newyork citey. Who knows?

  • 05.09.2004 9:11 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Its already been said that Halo 2 will take place on a number of different locations, including Earth. We'll be other worlds, too.

  • 05.09.2004 9:54 AM PDT
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First off I would like to say that I have read none of the books and if I say something that contradicts the plot of any that you'll have to forgive me. I'm simply going by what I've picked up throughout all the knowledge I have on the Halo story and from what I've heard here.

As mentioned earlier, the covenant social status system and religous system work much like that of the Buddhist caste system, but I think that prior to the formation of the covenant, each different species acted independently - much like that of Indian tribes that had settled here in the Americas before Europe colonized. Like almost any Indian tribe, they had their disputes and possibly even had grueling conflicts over issues such as religion, superiority, etc. This could help explain the "racism" between the differing species even after the Prophet species reunited them with a common religious goal - to collect all the Forerunner artifacts laying under dust around the galaxy.

I am still pending on the issues of a covenant civil war. It seems highly unlikely that the covenant would turn on each other considering that they are so very close to wiping out a species that stands in their way of a religious goal. I don't think that something as petty as disputes such as superiority between grunts and jackals will truly ever make a difference. What I do believe could cause a civil war is the fact that the prophets are hiding crucial information behind the rest of the covenants backs (with the exception of brutes). If any kind of information leak of this spreads, it could easily light the fuse that is their distaste for each other. Assuming of course that the theory of Forerunners being humans or similiar to them is true, they obviously don't want the other covenant knowing that they're really doing the opposite of what motivates them; killing the humans as they get in the way of their religion(s).

Speaking of Forerunner, I find it strange how no one has yet come to think that the new species that Bungie has been planning for us could be the Forerunner itself. Unless of course they specified that it was indeed a covenant specie, then I must apologize. Even so, I don't really believe that the Forerunner could truly be wiped out - if they were wiped out, then only three species could have done so; The covenant, the flood, or themselves. Considering their far superior technology and the fact that the Prophets are so intent on learning their secrets it's almost impossible for it to be the Prophets. I do not see a true reason for the Flood to invade the Forerunner and once again with their far superior technology it's hard to believe that if the Flood posed a real threat it wouldn't be easy to obliterate them all. The most likely choice (and the only one left) is that they destroyed themselves. I don't really see why they would do such a thing, but I'm sure just like any other species they had their own issues to settle.

Some very important points were mentioned but not stressed as they should've been, for example, if any three of the books mentioned that the covenant invaded a planet because they suspected that there were forerunner artifacts on it's surface, then why invade Earth? This point helps support any those of you who believe that the Forerunner could be humans, which in turn helps support a lot of other points. If we are not Forerunner, and there are still Forerunner artifacts on our planet, then that storyline would not make much sense. Something like the forerunner would have been noticed a long time before Halo supposedly took place, which is fairly obvious on it's own.

As for the announcement trailer issue, I'd have to say that was either an eye teaser or was something thrown together very sloppily (no offense Bungie guys). As the E3 demo shows, (or doesn't, at least the impression it gave was that) Master Chief enters Earth at New Mombasa, of course, it could simply be another mission entirely somewhere in the middle of the game. If the announcement trailer was not an eye teaser and was the first cinema of the game, then it only tells you that your first mission is most likely on whatever ship Master Chief lands on.

That's all I have to say for now.

  • 05.09.2004 10:31 AM PDT
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fuk that


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  • 05.09.2004 11:17 AM PDT
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Even if one of the covenant races were gone they would be very strong still. For instance if the grunts are gone. the covenant can still defeat the humans easily. i mean the marines. the elites are way too strong and smart for marines.

  • 05.09.2004 11:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Jnice
fuk that


"Nice way to welcome my first post on bungie, you stupid arsewipe" ... see, being an idiot is easy. I just choose to keep my dignity.

Posted by: Ripfang
Even if one of the covenant races were gone they would be very strong still. For instance if the grunts are gone. the covenant can still defeat the humans easily. i mean the marines. the elites are way too strong and smart for marines.


I agree, the insanely large mass of military power the covenant have most certainly out weighs the small speck that is the human forces. Yet something tells me that even if a force as large in numbers and significant as the grunt were taken away, (infantry can be very significant in war time) then it would greatly alter the course of the invasion, if not completely rearrange the ranks in the covenant military.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 11:29:37 AM]

  • 05.09.2004 11:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shazam
I don't think that there will be another ring to fight on because they are so far apart the MC would have to take a little detour from earth, which is unlikely. Also it would kill the great plot thats been built up. The closest we will get to alien architechture will porbably be a covenant home planet or HUGE ship


Just to correct you, not only does halo 2 take place on earth and the covies home planet, but it does infact take place on another ring, many websites, including this website have stated that it will take place on another halo ring.

  • 05.09.2004 12:05 PM PDT
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Ok, I only read to about page 3 so if this was already mentioned, oh well. I beleive that the Brutes are Ceremonial guards, which is why they were never seen in earlier conflicts. So, I doubt that they are mercenaries. Also, I think that IF there was a covenant civil war, it would be a 'vertical split' in the hierarchy (like each prophet and their own followers) instead of Race vs. Race combat. Sort of like Feudal lords, or something. And, perhaps some commanders might and defect to other prophets, or just flee the fighting altogether. And perhaps some might even defect to humans, but that is a remote possibility.

EDIT: oh, and along with "Feudal Combat" there would probably be a number of mutinies (spelling?), and cases of 'everyone killing everyone else' on ships and planets.

[Edited on 5/9/2004 12:59:38 PM]

  • 05.09.2004 12:30 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Jnice, don't be a moron. If you don't like what people say, then respond to it in a mature manner.

And I'm going to point out that Elites are not very smart. They have the potential to be smart, but a Marine could definitely beat an Elite in a game of intelligence at this point. They're strong and fast, yes, but thats about all that makes them really special in the Covenant (they may be smarter than the other races, but not smarter than us).

If Grunts were taken away, the Covenant may still be relatively strong, but not strong enough to win any ground engagements. The only way the Covenant would be able to win the war without the grunts is to commence only space-based operations, or if they became more intelligent in battle-tactics.

  • 05.09.2004 12:46 PM PDT
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I agree, i think that the grunts may seem very puny and small, but they take alot of hits for the elites, and so on. They are a sort of 'cannon fodder' or 'human shield' for the other covies, it even says in the manual that in huge numbers the grunts are as ferocious as others, it's just that we have not yet seen huge numbers of grunts together as one. It says in the fall of reach, near to the beggining that, can't remember where but a few hundred grunts are tearing through a jungle somewhere, litteraly tearing it apart. We just havent seen a grunt charge yet..let's see wat Halo 2 brings....

Sorry if i have contradicted anything or what anyone has said.
Posted by: Shai Hulud


If Grunts were taken away, the Covenant may still be relatively strong, but not strong enough to win any ground engagements. The only way the Covenant would be able to win the war without the grunts is to commence only space-based operations, or if they became more intelligent in battle-tactics.

  • 05.09.2004 1:00 PM PDT
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I'm such an idiot, that was my first post, and i've put it in the wrong pissin place!! Sorry guys, forgive me!!

  • 05.09.2004 1:02 PM PDT
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I've made a twat of myself again, i meant i put the quote in the wrong place...
and i thought i started so well..

  • 05.09.2004 1:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shai Hulud

And I'm going to point out that Elites are not very smart. They have the potential to be smart, but a Marine could definitely beat an Elite in a game of intelligence at this point. They're strong and fast, yes, but thats about all that makes them really special in the Covenant (they may be smarter than the other races, but not smarter than us).



Exactly; just because Elites are cunning strategists and warriors doesn't mean they have any degree of intellect, and certainly not that required to run the Covie Empire or defeat overwhelming numbers of marines.

  • 05.09.2004 2:27 PM PDT
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Excuse my ignorance but:

Is an inner conflict in the covenant in the Halo 2 game?

Are there going to be more new Covenant aliens instead of the Brutes, Prophets, and Engineers that we heard about? If so, this could alter the hierarchy a wee bit.

What of the bitterness the Hunters have? I'm sure I didn't read that wrong when it stated that there was some traditions that contradicted the covenant's teachings that the Hunters still practiced or something . . . .

Just curious.

  • 05.09.2004 2:57 PM PDT
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Right on Orange Dragon I like your style!

  • 05.09.2004 4:07 PM PDT
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how do you get to that topic youre talking about?

  • 05.09.2004 4:09 PM PDT
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gunklap.......u realise there werent 700 spartans? there were 150 possible candidates and NavSpecWar had the funding for only half that number

  • 05.09.2004 6:20 PM PDT
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lol, What?!? who in the hell thought there were 700 spartans?? jees someone like that doesn't deserve to make a post about halo... unless it was a joke

  • 05.09.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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yeah, all the Jackels had blue shields, and there weren't any footsolidier elites or hunters

  • 05.09.2004 7:28 PM PDT
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I meant to quote-
Posted by: mr2t159
i also thought it was just a weaker version for the public. it would have crewed up the whole E3 if MC got his ass kicked by a brute.

  • 05.09.2004 7:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: BRUTESLAYER
yeah, all the Jackels had blue shields, and there weren't any footsolidier elites or hunters

Another reason I think the New Mombasa level is probably the first or second level. It seemed far too polished, well-scripted and well-balanced to be far from the final version of the level.

  • 05.10.2004 1:10 AM PDT