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well if the covies split civil war style. i think it would go like this BTW VERY ACTIVE IMAGINATION

In an unrelated to the Covenant/Human conflict an incident occured in which a grunt platoon struck down a high ranking gold prophet. Massive riots broke out on board the Covenant destroyer 'The Pain and Suffering'. They were quickly put down by the mere sight of a brute platoon.

Grunts begin talks with Jackals on who should take the first leg of the covennant invasion of earth. Grunts insist that the Jackals go first and visa versa. Small riots break out and elites are sent in to restore order. Elite brutality on grunts and jackals increases.

A covenant cruiser explodes, the only survivors are elites and hunters. the rest are mysteriously left on ship. most lifepods werent even full...

The Jackals and Grunts ally themsleves together and declare war on the elites. Black Grunt divisions relieve themsleves of covenant military positions.

Covenant military morale crashes due to internal issues. reinforcements on the earht invasion are halted.

It is later revealed that the prophets have allied themsleves with the superior numbers of the grunt and jackal forces.

Hunters and Elites knowing their same true warrior mentality join forces to put down the rebellion. The brunt of their force is slaughtered when it is revelaed that the Brutes stood still in the service of their leaders, the prophets.

The prophets reveal a secret that not even their enemies knew. Being superior in intelligence they realized at this point the humans would defeat their all superior forces. The reason for the sudden epiphany is the realization and news of a Human warrior known only in Covenant holomonitoring as Master Chief. In this they allied themsleves with the humans on the condition that the humans would declare the prophets noncombatants. In a massive assault the grunt jackal and brute forces are slaughtered. The remainder of Hunter and Elite forces are not found for many months untill they are seen hiding out in the fathest covenant planet from earth.

  • 05.01.2004 8:33 PM PDT

LoL. You weren't kidding when u said very active imagination. :-P but any ways, yeah I think it would go something like that too. But we don't know if there is a "gold prophet" maybe all the prophets are just all equals in governing the covenant

  • 05.01.2004 8:40 PM PDT
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PE>NIS

  • 05.01.2004 9:29 PM PDT
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Sweet AssClown...let's talk halo, not be immature.

  • 05.01.2004 10:07 PM PDT
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I've read through this Forum and I was wondering, what is this new race you guys are talking about? I'm really curious, somebody help me out!

  • 05.01.2004 10:08 PM PDT
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I don't see why everyone has such a hard time believing that the elites would turn on the prophets, those two were the original forgers of the Covenant which when compounded with ther conflicting motivations for getting things done almost screams civil war. Plus, the prophets are almost without question holding a great deal from the Elites. The conversation with Tartarus and their extensive knowledge of the Forerunner hints at a hidden agenda.

Most importantly, most of the posters he seem to think that if the Covenant disintegrated and began fighting amongst themselves they'd in turn ally with the humans. Highly unlikely. The Prophet's faction would be the only one with a remote chance of allying with humans and even that seems near unpossible due to some minor hard feelings about a little disagreement over a couple billion deaths. Now, Elites would never ally with humans because of their pride and contempt for us, plus their warlike nature would give them the desire to erradicate us entirely first. In my opinion, a civil war would only result in a 3 sided conflict. Sorry folks, fighting alongside elites just wouldn't make sense. Even if the flood were about to crush them both, elites would still kill any humans they could.

Everybody else has done this, so I will to. I have a slightly different take on how a Civil War would pan out.
Elites - faction A Prophets, Brutes (possibly because Tartarus seems to be more or less in on the head-honcho's schemes) and Engineers- faction B. Hunters- Neutral because they don't like any of them.
Now, Brutes, Grunts and Jackals plus any new species could join any of the 3 factions due to religious conviction, fear or desire to stop throwing their lives away. I'd imagine grunts and jackals would join the elites though because they'd be afraid of being killed by their elite commanders and are more warrior-types anyway.

  • 05.01.2004 11:13 PM PDT
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It seems as though some of us are displeased with the possibility of Bungie having us fight beside some faction(s) of the Covenant, even to the point of believing that Bungie wouldn't do such a thing. Yet in the Marathon and Myth series, Bungie has us fighting with enemies so bent on our enslavement and/or destruction that they've slaughtered countless numbers of our ilk.
In Marathons 1 and 2 a species called the Sph't, critical to an alien alliance not unlike the Covenant, turns coat and lends us their strength. In Marathon: Infinity, we as the player, end up fighting for that same alliance that would see humanity in shackles. In Myth 2, we rescue and employ one of the Fallen Lords who'd worked so hard (in Myth 1) to see the world of the living destroyed. In sum, teamwork is not something that should be put past our friendly neighborhood devs.
On an issue of ethics, it's interesting that seemingly most of the writers in this thread would prefer continued all-out war, death and destruction rather than a treaty. Of course, it's a FPS, after all but even so, seeing a peace treaty at the end of Halo 2 would possibly save billions of virtual lives. Once again, just a game of course, but still interesting! :)

  • 05.01.2004 11:16 PM PDT
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Yeah I think it would suck too if in the climax of the war some Cov go "Hey we dont like our leader so screw them, you guys are our new best friends!"

And does anyone else think that the Brutes are mercenaries for hire rather than a full member of the Covenant?

  • 05.01.2004 11:24 PM PDT
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The brutes probably are mercenaries. When in between halo and halo 2 did they have time to go out and make new friends?

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Posted by: Shai Hulud
And the fact that they rarely react to anything that is not Prophetic or Forerunner provides another interesting speculation: They (well, one) seemed to be very interested in the Chief's armor (even though Cortana actually told the engineer to fix it, I still got the impression that the Engineer was immensely enjoying the opportunity)...
there, anyway...


and dont forget about the car engine that the engineer took apart and reassembled. (TFoR, cote de'azur)

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Posted by: ryankaplan
the prophet's really don't care about the elite's as the this great prophet of truth tells the brute to execute all the failures who survived the battle with master chief. i'm not talking about halo, it's some other place mc and mates destroy in the book.

the master cheif doesnt leave sorvivors. he tells him to execute the prophet in charge of the acendant justice for letting it be captured.

  • 05.02.2004 6:53 AM PDT
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Its not the elites that are turning against the prophets it the Prophets&Brutes turning agains the elites! You guyz read the books?

  • 05.02.2004 8:08 AM PDT
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take away engineers and the covenant ships will go into disarray, you mean

the prophets COULD fix ships but have less menial tasks to be getting on with, religious leadership

o yea elites are "field marshals" amongst the covies

  • 05.02.2004 9:25 AM PDT
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yeah but in the books they took apart cars and put'm back together with no problem so they could fix ships

  • 05.02.2004 9:38 AM PDT

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Do any of u guys think in the game Halo 2 of Halo 3 if they make 1 the covenant might turn all against each other and they start a war against themselfs and they stop fighting Humans or they keep fighting humans but its easier 2 kill them becoz the covenant are broke up. Or maybe the war ends by seeing the Foreruners and stuff.

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WAIT A MINUTE we aren't even yet sure if they gonna start a war amongs themselfs in h2

  • 05.02.2004 11:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Texas Ben

the master cheif doesnt leave sorvivors. he tells him to execute the prophet in charge of the acendant justice for letting it be captured.


Fool. That was not the Master Chief. That was the Prophet of High Truth that said that. And yes the Master Chief leaves survivors. Those that stay still and/ or are too wounded to be a threat. Meaning they are goners anyways.

Plus I doubt it was a Prophet in charge of the Ascendant Justice. If anything I think it was an Elite of high rank that had that ship under its command. On top of that Prophets are more religous leaders that indirectly control the military. They just give directions, maybe even a suggestion of where to go and the Covenant warrior caste obeys since they think the gods demand it of them.

  • 05.02.2004 11:43 AM PDT
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Its possible that grunts and jackals might turn on each other since they keep calling each other the lesser race!

And on the 1st page someone said something about the elites and prophets turning against each other and which do you think of the lesser races would join which, or something like that anyway!?

But this what i think if there was a civil war between the elites and prophets!

the Hunters,Jackals, would join the elites side as they are more tactical races.

and grunts, engineers, brutes would join the prophets side.

or something like that anyway, plus let us not forget the unknown race that bungie are keeping a big secret about too!

  • 05.02.2004 11:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hikaru 119

Fool. That was not the Master Chief. That was the Prophet of High Truth that said that. And yes the Master Chief leaves survivors. Those that stay still and/ or are too wounded to be a threat. Meaning they are goners anyways.

Plus I doubt it was a Prophet in charge of the Ascendant Justice. If anything I think it was an Elite of high rank that had that ship under its command. On top of that Prophets are more religous leaders that indirectly control the military. They just give directions, maybe even a suggestion of where to go and the Covenant warrior caste obeys since they think the gods demand it of them.

dont call me a fool you jackass. i never said that MC told tartarus anything. read my whole post you friggin moron. and the post i was referring to. the guy said that the prophet of truth told tartarus to execute the survivors of the unyeilding heirophant. and there is no way there were survivors from the unyeilding heirophant, except for the few ships that were outside of the blast range. and when i said 'in charge of', i beleive your right about that, but theres a much more complex relationship i was implying by saying 'in charge'... i think that there was a prophet presiding over theacendant justiice's battlegroup, and a rather high-ranking one, what with such an obscene amount of gaurds, and having a prophet on board would be kind of like being a captain escorting a high-level diplomat or something; the crew listenes to the captain, but the captain listenes to the prophet.

  • 05.02.2004 12:35 PM PDT
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Don't jump to the conclusion that the undescribed new race is Covenant. It might not be Covenant, Flood, or Forerunner. It could, just for example, be a race that refuses to ally with the Covenant and thus has become their enemy. Or it could be a race that has never been seen by Covenant of humans, something entirely new.

  • 05.02.2004 1:13 PM PDT

And what would happen if the Prophets discoverd that they were killing their gods... Hmm, think about that for a moment.

  • 05.02.2004 1:27 PM PDT
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interesting...But i think i civil conflict would happen like this.

the ballenced hierarchey is distrupted by the recent race edition (brutes). since there are no evidence of them in the first two books, and at the end of first strike a prophet was almost evaluating the brutes pfreformance.
Any way tension is stured up between eletes and prophets saying: "you have betraed the mutual covonent pact between owerselves by introducing these blasphomouse Brutes!" because obviously they could just do whith out elets when they are compared to the obviosly superior brutes.so conflicts startgoing on and a mutual defense pact is developed between the humans and the eletes. that would make for a good twist.
ps i suck at spelling


[Edited on 5/2/2004 1:59:07 PM]

  • 05.02.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Texas Ben
Posted by: Hikaru 119

Fool. That was not the Master Chief. That was the Prophet of High Truth that said that. And yes the Master Chief leaves survivors. Those that stay still and/ or are too wounded to be a threat. Meaning they are goners anyways.

Plus I doubt it was a Prophet in charge of the Ascendant Justice. If anything I think it was an Elite of high rank that had that ship under its command. On top of that Prophets are more religous leaders that indirectly control the military. They just give directions, maybe even a suggestion of where to go and the Covenant warrior caste obeys since they think the gods demand it of them.

dont call me a fool you jackass. i never said that MC told tartarus anything. read my whole post you friggin moron. and the post i was referring to. the guy said that the prophet of truth told tartarus to execute the survivors of the unyeilding heirophant. and there is no way there were survivors from the unyeilding heirophant, except for the few ships that were outside of the blast range. and when i said 'in charge of', i beleive your right about that, but theres a much more complex relationship i was implying by saying 'in charge'... i think that there was a prophet presiding over theacendant justiice's battlegroup, and a rather high-ranking one, what with such an obscene amount of gaurds, and having a prophet on board would be kind of like being a captain escorting a high-level diplomat or something; the crew listenes to the captain, but the captain listenes to the prophet.


*HISSSSSSS* Call down. Sheesh. Everyone is a fool. We're human. By default we are fools. All creatures with sentience are fools. Moving onward. That makes sense now that the "diplomat thing" is mentioned. But I doubt the Covenant would be foolish enough to send in one of their precious Prophets to a station that is about to jump to a comabt zone. Even if the first wave would kill off every thing.

  • 05.02.2004 2:12 PM PDT
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i agree prophits are too "holy" for field stuff exept when it comes to artifacts. remember fall of reach?

  • 05.02.2004 2:27 PM PDT
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Maybe the other race of aliens that *didn't* ally themselves to the covenant are another affront to the gods? AND therefore we *might* become allies... or declare all out war :D

  • 05.02.2004 2:36 PM PDT