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Im new to this , so im not sure how it works, but here goes,

Where the Brutes come in,

My gues is, there is a forerunner artefact on earth and us humans are in the covies way of gettin it.
So like the prophets the humans seem to be living on a forerunner planet, which is against their religion, cause the prophets claim to be ascendants to the forerunners.( So if another race is living on a forerunner planet what makes the prophets unique.)

So if the other covenant would get wind of this, woul'n't their entire religion crumble?
After all what binds these Species is their belief in the forerunner "gods" and that the prophets are their ascendants.
As the prophets would suspect this to hapen they dont tell this to the other species and just tell them to annihilate the humans. Since they are all so eager to fight they wouldn't hesitate to do this.

Here's where the brutes come in as backup to protect the prophets when the elites and other species find out the prophets haven't been completely honest. The brutes dont seem to so bent on religion as the elites do. And they would be the prophets new allies.

I think the brutes are brought in specifficaly to defend the prophets from any threats from inside or outside the covenant. And that there is indeed a chance the covenant heirarchy will crumble, when it's discoverd the prophets aren't who they claim to be.


that makes little sense but still, i dont think that there are any forerunner artefacts on earth and if there were we woulda realized it by now. the brutes are just another race. they look weaker than the elites however....

  • 05.06.2004 5:03 PM PDT
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personally, i think the Brutes have an important place we don't know about, they might actually be the protectors of the prophets and second in command because, remember in First Strike, how the brutes were the guarders of that religious temple??? any ideas on that???

  • 05.06.2004 5:27 PM PDT
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Did you guys ever take into account the 343 Guilty Spark(who survived the destruction of halo if u watched the credits at the end u would know).He would most likely be headed towards Earth he could change everything. He would be a big problem for both the humans and the Covies.Just a thought.

  • 05.06.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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I think that people are overlooking a lot of things. The Covenant have been waging this genocidal war against humans for years. There is no reason for them to turn pale, so close to completion. From what I could decipher from the FS, the Brute is not a true part of the covenant, they are Mercenaries, in the employ of the Covenant and damn good ones at that. They will probably be deployed pretty often in the game, since even without shields they are more then a physical match for Master Chief.

As for the Hunters (who i love to kill), that one weakness in there armor won't go away. But I can bet they they will use better tactics and positioning when fighting. I think the first game displays there power well. They are well armored and very dangerous at range, but they can also maul your butt if you get too close and don't move.

I always liked the way the covenant forces come together and form a cohesive battle unit. The grunts come right at you guns blazing. The jackals stay back and attempt to deplete your shields and the Elites ( on the higher levels) seem to stay back enough to get you once the other have worn you down a bit.

The Brute should add a whole other level of ugly to the mix, though I doubt you will see many engagements with both Brutes and Elites, Believe you me, the Covies are not joining the losing side any time soon.

Now what about those damn flood, you know they will be back, uglier then ever, and probably even more of a pain in the back to kill. Any one want to talk about The Library on Lengendary?

I didn;t think so, too scary!!!

[Edited on 5/6/2004 6:21:13 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 6:20 PM PDT
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I would just like to say if its not human, its going to die, no matter what side its on.

  • 05.06.2004 6:32 PM PDT
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Now that's the most realistic thing I've heard over here today.
And that is how I feel about it, I don't want no one attempting to join side.

Covies = killed them and liked it
Flood = killed them, they deserved it
Gaurdians = killed them, they was in my line of sight.

Anybody else wanna get shot?

  • 05.06.2004 6:34 PM PDT
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ALL WILL DIE BY MY HANDS!, well by my controler, but they will die!

[Edited on 5/6/2004 6:40:48 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 6:38 PM PDT
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here is what i think what would happen if the Covenant really did start their own civil war.

first off lets start with the flood...most think flood is gone,wiped out...but they still got Truth and Reconciliation...so i do believe flood is coming back. i think they will have new forms of flood and will not side with anyone...no mater what. humans will stay where their at and probably not side with anyone at first. now Covenant...lets say the new race bungies hiding is Covenant species...i think it will go like this...prophets hold the power of forerunner technology so other Covenant will not start a civil war with themselves unless they find out what the prophets and brutes are up to...i think the new species will side with the elites if they are like what i think theyd be if there a Covenant species...i think prophets will look towards engineers for help...since engineers studied master chiefs armor then they will make armor for the brutes who will side with prohets and engineers...now grunts and jackals will definately not side with each other...since elites have no back up they will ask the big population of grunts to join sides with them leaving jackals to side with either no one or prophet engineers and brutes...i think they will side with them and the hunters...not liking no one will be neutral at first...so now there is prophets,engineers,brutes, and jackals against grunts and elites...hunterswill come into the story when the flood comes back so i think they will side with elites and grunts because there is few hunters and a ton of grunts so it will even it out...engineers will build armor like Master Chief for brutes and jackals...now the new species...if there like i think they will side with the hunters elites and grunts...they will be the main function for them just like prophets are for the other group...these new species will try to spy on info the engineers and prophets found out about the Forerunners...they steal the technology and they will be the powerful group now...flood comes back and make hunters side with elites and grunts and cause the flood to sort of help kill the grunts...engineers made new armor for brutes so they will attack the elites and hunters will attack the brutes back...jackals will play an important part of killing of most of the elites by sniping and takin cover...if new species does side with elites then while the brutes jackals have war with hunters grunts and elites and the flood to top it off along with humans sneak up on the prophets and prophets retreat and leave technology behind for new species...prophets and engineers will seek help from the humans to try to get back the technology new species found...flood is now waging war with elites hunters and grunts knowing that they are the most powerful group...while elites hunters and grunts are busy takin care of flood engineers brutes jackals and prohets take side with humans...they fight the new species and get back the technology that they stole from them now leaving the new species on the brink of destruction since they have no back up...now theres a 3 way war...flood againts humans,prophets,jackals,brutes,and engineers against grunts,elites,hunters, and new species
this may seem a bit wierd but i think this should happen in halo2...if not and they do make halo3 then they need to put it in that one...
well now i think the the elites will most likey go after humans...grunts after jackals since they have a little history with each other...hunters after brutes know that they are equaling matched...new species after prophets and engineers and flood just fighting anything...the return of Forerunners is possible...if they come back they will most likely try to take out the flood...if they do they will join sides with humans and the others. if Forerunners can dominate the other group then i think a new species of aliens will appear out of nowhere...turns out they were Forerunners enemy like Covenant and humans...Forerunners will take engineers and prophets with them since they are weakest to another halo...leaving only humans brutes and jackals to fught off new alien race and elites grunts and hunters and new species of Covenant..............new alien race will find Forerunners engineers and prophets and wipe out most of them...humans will come to the aid and leave jackals and brutes to fight the other group...humans and Forerunners dominate and kill new species of aliens...elites hear that new species is gone so they leave to fight humans and leaving grunts new Covenants and hunters to fight brutes and jackals...brutes and jackals dominate hunters and new species and the rest of them flee to get elite help...while they flee the brutes and jackals try to wipe out grunts and get aid from Forerunners leaving humans to fight hunters elites and new species...brutes jackals and Forerunners kill all grunts and go back to aid humans engineers and prophets...elites have wiped out all but 5 prophets and have killed all but 1 engineer that left with the Forerunners and have stayed at earth...war rages on and humans kill hunters and new species and Forerunners need help because a flood ship is attacking them on there way back to halo...humans leave letting elites reproduce...once humans wipe out flood they return to earth with the brutes jackals and Forerunners...couple years pass and elites come back to try and take over earth...they attack and wipe out jackals and Forerunners...war now is humans,engineers,prophets,and brutes against elites...humans protect prphets and engineers that have reproduced over the years...brutes take on elites...brutes call in back up from humans because elites have reproduced and there is millions of them...brutes cant hold them back and retreat leaving humans to take them on...while this battle rages on brutes take prophets nd engineers and hide on an installation that thr Forerunners built years ago...not knowing that flood are on it...flood kill off brutes with the help of 343 guilty spark...humans get the news and know that the war has suddenly shifted...humans know they dont stand a chance...bu back comes the 3 other spartans back to help...kelly josh and i forget the other one...they come back...with the back up need from the beginning...Brutes and Hunters that were neutral and joined sides to fight off the flood that were on an installation they moved to during the war...they come back and help the prophets while the spartans kick major elite butt...hunters and brutes come back with prophets and engineers...engineers found a new halo to go to seeking defense from the elites...them and prophets along with some hunters and brutes go to it...humans and the left over brutes and hunters force the elites to retreat and go back to Covenant home world...earth is abandoned and now humans live on a halo along with hunters brutes prophets and engineers...guilty spark is now gone back with the elites and have helped create an army of floodover years and years...flood and elites join forces and attack halo...this war will occur in the 3rd one...




this is just my thought of what i want to happen...others hvae their opinion...this is mine...

  • 05.06.2004 6:56 PM PDT
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You probally have a good point but im not going to read all that, its so long. No offence, its just long.

  • 05.06.2004 7:05 PM PDT
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yes i do have a point...and no offense takin...made it long so ppl that had nothing to do could read it...

  • 05.06.2004 7:09 PM PDT
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True, ill get bored and read it myself sometime.

  • 05.06.2004 7:12 PM PDT
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You said
"that makes little sense but still, i dont think that there are any forerunner artefacts on earth and if there were we woulda realized it by now. the brutes are just another race. they look weaker than the elites however...."

Just as a point to correct you, there are indeed forruner structures on earth, it is even stated in the new issue of gameinformer, which was deticated to halo 2.

[Edited on 5/6/2004 7:41:00 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 7:21 PM PDT
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jees KAB1LL1ONA1RE, that is one long speculation. you could probably write a book outa that, but the odds of your speculation happening...


[Edited on 5/6/2004 7:28:20 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 7:24 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

wow look like you have too much time on your hands.but as long as its wasted talkin about Halo,its completely acceptable.=D

  • 05.06.2004 7:45 PM PDT
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AMEN! TO THAT!!

  • 05.06.2004 7:53 PM PDT
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My thought is something similiar to "By the Waters of Babalon." The humans and the rest of the covenent together made up the forerunner ( for one thing the word forerunner doesn't seem to me to describe just one race) but, after a civil war that wiped at nearly all of them except a few. Without things like electricity etc, their civilizations crumbled and went back into primitive times. Somehow or other the things that we call prophets were the only people that remembered. I'll let you fill in the rest in what you think.

  • 05.06.2004 7:56 PM PDT
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first- Women are good!
now that i got that out of the way...

no covie bastards will split off and start a civil war, that why they are all referred to as one large group and not as individual races. also that would be no point to the covie's breaking up so bungie wouldnt do it.
And most importantly the entire point to, and fun of, halo is to kill all covie bastards. Why would bungie reduce the fun of halo 2 for storyline purposes, thats just stupid!!!!

  • 05.06.2004 8:00 PM PDT
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Having read all of the books and enjoyed them, I have been a little bit more acquanted with the other Covanent races than someone who hasn't read the books.

Your comment about the engineers was startling. When I was reading that part, I felt that the engineer was enjoying that a little bit more than was let on. Maybe the engineer, and its cilia-like "fingers" was exploring the suit? Who knows.

I would associate the Covanent "religion" with more of a pegan religion. Though they don't worship multiple gods or the earth, sun, wind, moon...etc, they do seem to be a little bit more zealous in their worship, than say, a Buddhist Monk. I don't know a lot about Buddism, hardly enough to be commenting on it, but I just don't quite feel comfortable associating the Covanent relgion with it.

I did not notice a whole lot different about the Jackal that was portrayed in that shot that was given to us, but it looked to me that it had a sort of aura that gave it a "bad ass" appeal. In the realtimedemo movie thing, the Jackals did not seem to be any meaner than in Halo 1, but we are yet to really see.

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Posted by: Tom 092

that makes little sense but still, i dont think that there are any forerunner artefacts on earth and if there were we woulda realized it by now.

not neccesarily, remember that on reach the entire castle base was built over a huge forunner something-or-other (temple? base?) and that we had one of their objects in our museum as a crystal formation. earth could be covered in forunner artifacts and we not even know it. but i agree, i doubt there are any forunner artifacts on earth, because if there were, youd think the covenant would be freindly, considering we were on a previously forunner world.

  • 05.06.2004 8:33 PM PDT
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Who cares wat the covenant do or if the flood come back all i will say is they picked the wrong race to screw with. All we humans ever do is kill eachother now we all have something to kill together.

  • 05.06.2004 9:32 PM PDT
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hmmm...very interesting indeed

  • 05.06.2004 9:51 PM PDT
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[Edited on 5/6/2004 9:53:05 PM]

  • 05.06.2004 9:52 PM PDT
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whoa dude...u've played halo 2??? how? r u part of bungie or sumthin? how is it(playin halo2)???

  • 05.06.2004 9:57 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: TranquilChaosX47
whoa dude...u've played halo 2??? how? r u part of bungie or sumthin? how is it(playin halo2)???


what are you talkin about??

  • 05.06.2004 10:14 PM PDT
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Humans wont join any covanant race i mean the covenant have killed millions if not billions of human beings. Humans will not side with them and if they do it would make no sense.

  • 05.06.2004 10:16 PM PDT