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Posted by: Justesp
Posted by: zAMMSTEIN

Interesting theory. But I think the Hunters are even more reclusive. Jackals, and Grunts seem to have it out for eachother. Elites and Brutes pair off also. Hunters dislike them all. So it makes me wonder how the hell is the covenant held together?


Well, I believe they said the initial alliance was between the Elites and Prophets. They also mentioned they went around conquering, and in some places, assimilating other races. Perhaps, many of the races were forced into the group
initially and then adopted the overall Covenant mindset and religious beliefs that we know them to have. So, maybe they had all initially fought eachother before forming one large alliance? If not, perhaps they simply don't get along, and are just in this for some greater purpose, or to achieve something they all want. Maybe the Elites offered prophets military power, and the prophets offered technology. The grunts got offered land, and the jackals were promised positions of power as well? Who knows. I honestly believe that there isn't some great and amazing reason for all their distrust and roughness between the races. It's perfectly possible they all just don't get along, it happens often enough in life, right?


In the books it states how Jackels think their better than Grunts and Grunts are actually survivors (notice how they run in terror the second you shoot one). The Jackels brown nose the Elites but don't want the "honor" of being in the first wave like the grunts.

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Call me crazy, but I think that Hunters might have been the last of the covenant to be assimilated into their society. For one, they are described as being somewhat resentful to the other races, and not "hardcore" when it comes to the Covenant religion.

I also read, that the Prophets established an alliance with the Elites and that's what started the Covenant. Prophets handle the political jargan, and Elites handle the defense and war.

This still makes me believe that Brutes are hired Covenant zealots protecting the prophets. And this makes the Elites jealous or insulted.

Grunts and Jackals seem to bicker between themselves as to who is higher than the other. Sense they are both at the bottom of the food chain so to speak. Grunts, were described also to be obediant and stupid. Doing the most dangerous jobs of the Covenant military.

The only way I can describe that (even to myself) is like suicide missions. Jackals are merely more intellectual than the Grunts. Or more skilled in combat . . . whichever.

EDIT: Ack, Helba we posted nearly the same idea.

[Edited on 5/10/2004 4:16:20 PM]

  • 05.10.2004 4:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Helba
In the books it states how Jackels think their better than Grunts and Grunts are actually survivors (notice how they run in terror the second you shoot one). The Jackels brown nose the Elites but don't want the "honor" of being in the first wave like the grunts.


Hey, maybe the Jackals think they deserve more than what they are getting. They might've been offered the same thing, and then it was split in two to give to both races. They each believe they deserve the whole reward (Whatever it may be) So they have an active competetion between them. Also, as I said before, maybe they just don't like eachother, and the competetion is out of pure spite?

  • 05.10.2004 4:15 PM PDT
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how strong are the new brutes?
i still dont get it. do they just use their strength or do they use weapons?
sorry, its been bothering me for a while


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Posted by: Mosseymou
how strong are the new brutes?
i still dont get it. do they just use their strength or do they use weapons?
sorry, its been bothering me for a while


I think they use weapons . . . but from the looks of them, they could specialize in melee combat. Sorry, I don't know.

  • 05.10.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: zAMMSTEIN
Call me crazy, but I think that Hunters might have been the last of the covenant to be assimilated into their society. For one, they are described as being somewhat resentful to the other races, and not "hardcore" when it comes to the Covenant religion.

I also read, that the Prophets established an alliance with the Elites and that's what started the Covenant. Prophets handle the political jargan, and Elites handle the defense and war.

This still makes me believe that Brutes are hired Covenant zealots protecting the prophets. And this makes the Elites jealous or insulted.

Grunts and Jackals seem to bicker between themselves as to who is higher than the other. Sense they are both at the bottom of the food chain so to speak. Grunts, were described also to be obediant and stupid. Doing the most dangerous jobs of the Covenant military.

The only way I can describe that (even to myself) is like suicide missions. Jackals are merely more intellectual than the Grunts. Or more skilled in combat . . . whichever.

EDIT: Ack, Helba we posted nearly the same idea.


You know, thinking about it, you could be right about the Elites. Perhaps it was a blow to their honor to have somebody else take the job. They are supposedly a very proud and warrior like race. Having someone else come to..."Assist" them, might have given them the impression that the prophets thought they were inadequate.

This is a bit off subject, but you have some good theories in your head, zAMMSTEIN.

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thanx

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yeah, other covies see the stupidness of the grunts but still use them for suicide, right?
if then the grunts are worst then the jackals, whay arent the jackals regarded more highly?

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Posted by: Mosseymou
yeah, other covies see the stupidness of the grunts but still use them for suicide, right?
if then the grunts are worst then the jackals, whay arent the jackals regarded more highly?

Maybe because they aren't brave (or stupid) enough to do the important, but suicidal jobs that the grunt do. The grunts may lack a decent mind, but they do the jobs that need to be done, even when nobody else wants to (with good reason.) That's gotta count for something.

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good imput, but seriously... there must be something misssing other than braveness.
i heard that they did hounour by how many they killed, but...
if they are specialists: assasins they get more honour

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Okay the elites are like Japs back in WWII they would rather die because if you die a cowards death to them that means you rot in Hades for all eternity. As for the Brutes thoughs guns are like 10 round per second assault rifle grenade launchers. The brutes are tough in the book the only way MC was able to take one down was with a barrage of melee attacks and 3 clips from the Battle Rifle now I'm guessing that the new 8.2 mm rounds for the "Katsuma?" (the intitials Kat. and two Japanese symbols were on the rifle) Battle Rifle are what add a little more punch to the rounds. The Brutes are extremely powerful but I think I arguably speak for everyone here when I say that that in-game E3 demo was on the easy difficulty imagine legendary *shudders*. Still on the E3 demo a humorous pun I think was directed at the Hummer Humvee when your riding in the warthog there's a bill board on the highway advertising the "hog".

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Well, I don't know how great of an assassin a Jackal could be against human targets. I don't think the covenant would bother trying to sneak a single jackal in, so much as just blow up that quarter of the planet. If Jackals were to assassinate
something, it would most likely be someone from another race within the covenant. That being said, I doubt many from the Covenant would know that the jackal did anything. They would most likely end up dead as well, if they did. Elites come in on the first wave, and they always have grunts behind them. Since elites are one of the leading races (I think ) perhaps they respect their willingness to do battle, despite their lack of combat prowess. This could keep them even in honor, right?

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The Jackels are assasins that have to overcharge their energy pistols to stand a chance against a human the reason their assasins is because their good at hiding and jumping out of nowhere when humans let their guard down.

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Are you talking about the beta test version of Halo? My freinds freind got a copy I originally thought the wave after wave was to test frame rate then I realized it was to test how multiple enemies react with eachother.

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jackals overcharge their weapons to take down ur shields so the others can pepper u with automatic plasma weapons fire and take u out.

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Ive read every post. And i must say this is a very good topic.Its mind blowing to hear all this stuff. And i read a post back alittle bit about the hunter and there right the hunter never is with the other coveys there almost always alone or with another hunter in Halo2 and you dont even see them in the trailers or barely heard about them in the mags so they might not turn on the other coveys just back out of the war(most likely not becuase then the other coveys we kill them but still if any covey(i love that word) were to drop out of the war it would be them sense they send the leadt units and such.)
(Not a good speller)

  • 05.10.2004 5:01 PM PDT
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I agree. i bet you this subject could be one of the longest running ever.

not to get of the subject but can all the noobs say they are when thay post, it will save typing energy and a "few" BLAMs along the way. i just don't want every one to think some ones a idiot when they just don't know what the BLAM there talking about!

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Maybe people should save the BLAMs all together. Noo-...Seeing as i'd prefer not to be executed by ninja, I'll say "New people". New people gotta learn somehow, right? If they say something you know to be incorrect, try correcting them. Not yelling at 'em. That's just my opinion, by the way. If you still wish to flame and yell at people, by all means, go for it. I just won't join in.

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Its possible that grunts and jackals might turn on each other since they keep calling each other the lesser race!

And on the 1st page someone said something about the elites and prophets turning against each other and which do you think of the lesser races would join which, or something like that anyway!?

But this what i think if there was a civil war between the elites and prophets!

the Hunters,Jackals, would join the elites side as they are more tactical races.

and grunts, engineers, brutes would join the prophets side.

or something like that anyway, plus let us not forget the unknown race that bungie are keeping a big secret about too!







dont forget the flood has a 100% chance of coming back and also 343 is coming and the new alien(like you said) and the forrunners WOOOOOOOOO that would be a big war

  • 05.10.2004 5:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: zAMMSTEIN
Call me crazy, but I think that Hunters might have been the last of the covenant to be assimilated into their society. For one, they are described as being somewhat resentful to the other races, and not "hardcore" when it comes to the Covenant religion.


I belive the Hunters are experiments of the Covenent. In Halo, you sometimes stumble apon a Hunter with the standerd orange blood and the not-so-standerd green blood, flood blood. I came to the conclusion that the Covenent infused Grunt, Jackle, and Flood DNA to create the ultimate "guard." The Hunter has the guard attribute of the Jackle, the glowing blood attribute of the Grunt, and the insane free-for-all attribute of the Flood. I don't know if you have noticed or not, but Hunters are never placed with other species intentially.

Sorry if I am not doing this right! this is my first post on a forume ever. Have a nice life, and maybe even a nice day!

  • 05.10.2004 6:09 PM PDT
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good point exept "flowing blood attribute" is that good?
that guy has been in the "new bungie" for a shorter time than you have so he cant speak, at all.

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  • 05.10.2004 6:47 PM PDT
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While I can say this...I dont know what your talking about I must agree.

XBOX 2 Release game halo2... sounds good dont it...just a thought....

god been wantin to say that for weeks now...what a sad life i lead.

  • 05.10.2004 7:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Helba
Are you talking about the beta test version of Halo? My freinds freind got a copy I originally thought the wave after wave was to test frame rate then I realized it was to test how multiple enemies react with eachother.


ok.. yeeeaahno. your friends, friend doesnt have a beta version of halo 2, i dont care what you heard (not trying to be mean) but he doesn't have a beta version, there was never one released, not even to employees. (there was an alpha for empleorees, but that was a multiplayer version only)

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Ah, Halo 2...How we all pine for your sweet sweet release to Xbox.
As for the hunters being experiments, I doubt that's true considering they have their own religions and rituals there of. I personally don't think the covenant would bother to give them that. If they were experiments that is.

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Posted by: Bob IV
Posted by: zAMMSTEIN
Call me crazy, but I think that Hunters might have been the last of the covenant to be assimilated into their society. For one, they are described as being somewhat resentful to the other races, and not "hardcore" when it comes to the Covenant religion.


I belive the Hunters are experiments of the Covenent. In Halo, you sometimes stumble apon a Hunter with the standerd orange blood and the not-so-standerd green blood, flood blood. I came to the conclusion that the Covenent infused Grunt, Jackle, and Flood DNA to create the ultimate "guard." The Hunter has the guard attribute of the Jackle, the glowing blood attribute of the Grunt, and the insane free-for-all attribute of the Flood. I don't know if you have noticed or not, but Hunters are never placed with other species intentially.

Sorry if I am not doing this right! this is my first post on a forume ever. Have a nice life, and maybe even a nice day!


once again not to be meen, but you are wrong, i dont care if ne one out there says that my opinion, but you idea was wrong. you say that hunters were expiraments, with flood and other species... well one major factor, the covies didnt know about the flood until later in the game (and books) and you encounter the hunters before that... well that sure as h*ll doesn't make sence. (not meening to be rude, but i had to be blunt about it)

  • 05.10.2004 7:45 PM PDT