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Yeah, but the Elites still hold their religion... no matter how much the prophets piss them off, they still wont do anything, because it would be against their religion. But if they lose favor with the Prophets because of the Brutes.... They would be prime candidates for Jerry Springer....

  • 05.11.2004 6:14 PM PDT
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hahahaha

  • 05.11.2004 6:21 PM PDT
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And besides, if they took out any of the races, the game wouldn't be as much fun to play. Then it wouldn't be the game of the year.

  • 05.11.2004 7:46 PM PDT
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yo any body listening :\
i think the new race is a... any ideas

not to be rude

  • 05.11.2004 7:59 PM PDT
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"Is a..." what? and rude about what?

  • 05.11.2004 8:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bob IV
"Is a..." what? and rude about what?

to be focefull...

never-mid so any way any ideas

  • 05.11.2004 8:15 PM PDT
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Umm... maybe you should make a new topic for that.
Brutes r crunk.

  • 05.11.2004 8:26 PM PDT
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MAYBE.......There will be no Covenant revolution and they will just kick our asses untill MasterChief and Cortana take control of a Covie ship and blast the rest to hell b/c Cortana made some awesome mods to the Flagship that they stole....although they found out about the slipspace thingy.... but it wont matter if they frag all the damn Covies and save Earth. In either case, a Covenant revolution is highly unlikely, even more unlikely than if the Flood came back....OH WAIT THERE WE GO!!!!!! Thats where Dr. Halsey must have gone at the end of FS to look for another HALO and unleash the Flood on the Covanent home world(s). It would be a disaster if the Covenant disbanded anyway. I mean they beat the crap out of us then all of the sudden fall apart, that sounds like a crappy H2 plot to me but w/e right?

  • 05.12.2004 3:06 PM PDT
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But Dr. Halsey wouldn't unleash the flood because A) she don't wanna die and B) she understands the danger that they present. IF they won, because lets face it, the covie suck ass to them on land, but they would kick the crap out of the flood if they TRIED getting onto some of the homeworlds, right? (Besides, fighting alongside Elites on Legendary would be cool.... then they wouldn't piss you off as bad...) And if the flood killed the covies, then they would come kill us! (And where's the happy ending to that?)

  • 05.12.2004 4:34 PM PDT
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Oh, crap

Are we back on this topic AGAIN!?!?!?!?


cant we stick to matters at hand....like tommorows press confrence?

What do you guys wannna see tommorow!??!?!?!?!?

(besides if staffers read this and see what we want......*wink*)

  • 05.12.2004 4:39 PM PDT
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this might have already been said but here it goes...

i was sitting in my socil studies class thinking of Halo2 when i my teacher say something about caste system, when i though about the covenet. when i thought that mabey the prophets aren't the leaders. in medeval times prists(prohets) weren't the total leaders but everyone including the kings consulted them. what if ...

the unknown race=king/leader
prohet=prists
elite/brutes=knobles
hunters=knights
jackles/grutes=pesents

the hunters would be the knights because in the primer it said that they were only a fighting race & didn't participate(spell?) in the covenets religion or even socialize (spell?) with the other races
prohets=would make the priests for obvious reason but no one ever said that they were the leaders(or mabey they did but i didn't hear about it) just the spiritual ones.

elites & brutes would make knobles because they are the comanders, squad leades plus they are practially at war with each other as knobles would often do

gruntes & jackles are pesants due to their very low rank & being threatened by the higher ranking races

well theres my 2 cents for the day

  • 05.13.2004 6:24 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

It took me an hour to find this thing.... it was on page 134 out of 327...

I'm only bumping this because another user wanted to see it.... And many of you may find it useful as well, since there have been an amount of relevant topics to this over the past few days.

These forums really need a search feature...

  • 07.05.2004 9:30 PM PDT
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I just wanted to point out that I sincerly doubt there will be an open rebellion among the Covenant armies until Humaity is wiped out. It is a simple matter of working with one 'enemy' to dispose of a more hated foe. The tolerance of the Hunters is maintained because they may dislike the other covenant races, but they hate Humanity more. I do not believe that the Hunters alone could win independance from the rest of the empire though, which would lead them to a pickle of facing extinction in trying to win independance, or fighting along side Humans to crush the Covenant empire. Either way, things are not going to be pretty. I highly doubt that any of the races will be able to put aside their hate of Humanity and join 'us.' However, the one idea that is interesting to me is the idea of the Covenant wiping out one of their own races, however, it would be completly foolish to open a 'second front.'

Lastly, does anyone else get the feeling that all Humanity really controls anymore is Terra? We have one planet against how many Covenant planets? Humanity is on its last leg. Think for a moment just how utterly *DIRE* that makes 'our' situation (even if 'we' control more planets, Reach was 'our' last military stronghold other than Terra,) and you will realize bungie has to do some *serious* story twisting to end this happily for Humanity, and I quite frankly, can not wait to see how they do it.

B- D

  • 07.05.2004 10:57 PM PDT
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WTF are you talking about? I have no clue what any of you are saying.

  • 07.06.2004 5:24 PM PDT
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if u look back n time u can actually c that the pope had MAJOR influence on all of the catholic religions and that althought the kings ran the day to day stuff the pope started the Crusades of as a holy war and kept some control of the catholics as an overall group

  • 07.06.2004 5:59 PM PDT
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Personally it apeared to me as if the engineers were slaves under the other races.........their fear and willingness to repair the chief's armor and the slip space generator may have instead been a demonstration of their displeasure in serving their masters

hey it's a thought

  • 07.06.2004 6:24 PM PDT
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Very old post..............

Forerunners are humans. Why? How can humans be so much more powerful than Covenant? We are creative, they are not.

  • 07.06.2004 7:21 PM PDT
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About a Covenant Revolution, i find that hard to believe. I am sure, however, that in Halo2 we will be seeing some "friendly" fire between the Covenant races. I remember reading somewhere that if there is are elites and brutes in the same area, and you slip between them with camo and fire a plasma round at one group or the other, the group you fired on will "return" fire on the other group. Only with Elites and Brutes, however, becausse they are jealous of each other. Also, in First Strike it hard Covenant killing a pair of Hunters when they fired at the sacred light. Perhaps something like that might take place in Halo2?
Just some thoughts on that.

And about Sharkface217's post:
" Very old post..............

Forerunners are humans. Why? How can humans be so much more powerful than Covenant? We are creative, they are not. "

You are 100% right yet 100% wrong. The Forerunners are not human. If they were human, some trace of them would have been found on Earth. Either a crashed ship, a mining operation, reckage from a city... You are right, though, in saying that we are stronger than the Covenant. They are IMITATIVE, not creative. If they were creative, their slipspace generators would work even more efficiently than Cortana used them. Their plasma weapons would be vastly improved from what Cortana was able to figure out in a couple of hours. The Covenant's technology came from the Forerunners and the races that were "molded" into the Covenant. Like how first contact up to Halo the Covenant weapons havn't changed. That means that they had not discovered a Forerunner or another form of technology since contact was made. Another example is the shields that the Spartans use. Based on a Jackels shield, it is stronger than an Elites. And getting stronger. The Covenant Shields are staying the same.

As it says in First Strike, given just what the Covenant now knows, the humans can use their superior grasp on the laws of physics, gravity, and other such forces to make the Covenant weapons and technology dozens of times stronger than what the Covenant has.

  • 07.06.2004 7:37 PM PDT
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Okay. Plot for Halo 2: MC kills lots of Covies and saves Earth. MC takes the fight to the Covies. Goes around the Galaxy visiting Forerunner installations. Somebody releases the Flood(Bump-mapped Flood? Ewwwww...........). Flood kill Covies, Another Halo ring used to kill the Flood(25,000 Light yrs away from Earth). The end.

OR: Covies still survive, and in Halo 3 (On Xbox Next) You destroy the Covie homeworld/worlds and Humanity wins the war. The End.

Note: The Covenant did NOT join forces with the Humans. Becuase that would be retarded.

  • 07.06.2004 7:42 PM PDT
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Man I would be soooo pissed if they took out the Elite they r my favorite covi. Not that I stop playing the game I'd just be very pissed.The Grunts with no breathing things are just plan freaky. Also I heard the Brute is so strong that they can flip over a worthog...I wonder how strong they really are...They say u can take Elites hostage some one tell me if thats true or not pleassssse. say what do Prophets even do as a attack? I mean they just can't float around doing nothing.I am so happy they brought Sargent J. back because without him there'd be no humans and Elites hugging.Why Can't we all just get alone( I know I know cause life would suck I just being dumb). Say what role do Brutes play in the covident anyway? I have and read the books but I did'nt see were they take part. So there r going to be Covi snipers ? if so thats just plan cool. Whats the new type of Elite do? r they like a new commando or something?Wel what more can I say execpt I CAN"T WAIT FOR HALO2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! also I need some friends so if u have tome someone write me pleasssssssssssssssssssssse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK U

  • 07.06.2004 7:50 PM PDT
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Just as a matter of interest

since your name is Shai Hulud then I assume you've read most/all of the Dune books

Lets hope Halo 2 has a 'wheels, within wheels, within wheels,' plot.

Also, enen though its probably not a suitable topic for the site, I live in New Zealand and dont know if the third book to the 'Legends of Dune' Trilogy is out. Can anyone please give me an answer.

Long live Muad'dib and Shai Hulud

Kul Wahla

  • 07.06.2004 7:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: PH03N1X
Just as a matter of interest

since your name is Shai Hulud then I assume you've read most/all of the Dune books

Lets hope Halo 2 has a 'wheels, within wheels, within wheels,' plot.

Also, enen though its probably not a suitable topic for the site, I live in New Zealand and dont know if the third book to the 'Legends of Dune' Trilogy is out. Can anyone please give me an answer.

Long live Muad'dib and Shai Hulud

Kul Wahla


OMG dude, it's book 4 now. Where have you been!?!? New Zealand??!?!

  • 07.06.2004 8:01 PM PDT
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well im glad to see this post has been somewhat reborn, and I'm glad to see another person who loves the DUNE books (aren't you, Shai Hulud?).
Well what I came to say is that someone said earlier in this forum post about the Brutes being inspectors of a sort, kind of like a military police. I think this is an EXCELLENT theory as it would explain why Brutes and Elites hate each other. Being a police force within the Covenant would probably piss Elites off something awful, and they also would be the ones who guard the "Holy Relics" or something. Just popped in to say some stuff, been awhile since I posted, but whatever.

Oh and that other person who related the Covenant Caste system to that of Medieval times, I like that idea a lot too, though I think the Prophets actually are "in charge" of the Covenant, not just advising.

  • 07.06.2004 8:07 PM PDT
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Seems to be a few people who have read the Dune series. I know this aint the place for it, but maybe we should make some kinda Halo2 clan related to it. Message me if u all want to, this could be kinda cool.

  • 07.06.2004 8:11 PM PDT
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The Brute as not finsihed in the E3 demo, friend. If you read First Strike you'll find that Brutes are incredibly strong(one almost killed Master Chief in Halo: First Strike.)I believe Elites are smarter than the Brutes but the Brutes are most likely stronger.If you notice the Jackals prefer hand held shields over full body armor of the Elites and the Hunters are to massive for anything but huge welded armor therefor the Brutes must be too large for full body armor like Elites but can fit in the Hunter-based armor.As for the Brutes in the Covenant Caste,I believe them to be vicious in combat but also more favored over the Elites when concerning the Prophets.In Halo:The Flood,Prophets dislike Elites since they seem to be destructive.Now concerning the matter of this "civil-war" and the "relation of humanity and the forerunner." I do not believe that a certain race will defect to humanity for two reasons. 1. It wouldn't be in Bungie's smartest play for one race to defect. 2.Fighting alonside aliens wouldn't be fun and it would be impossible.Think of it like this:Would the Jews have fought alongside the -blam!-s in WWII if they defected?(considering the Jews fought in WWII.) I don't think humanity would fought alongside aliens that were responsible for millions of human lives.The only race that would defect would be the Grunts since basically their just cannon fodder and think of this:NOT being able to kill grunts? I would break down and cry.Now for the issue of humans and forerunner.If the humans were in any way related to the forerunner,there would've been no war at all.If you read Halo:The Flood,the ships weren't allowed to fire on the Pillar of Autumn for fear of "damaging" the ring.Chances are the Forerunner hid something on Earth eons ago that we know nothing about and the Covenant do but hey,I'm just a hardcore Halo fan and I have no say so in what happens in H2.


Killing Grunts sice December '02.

  • 07.06.2004 8:16 PM PDT