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Yeah I agree with your idea about the plot of H2 Covenant Ninja...its what I keep tellin my friends, but they keep tellin me I'm full of -blam!-...lol

  • 07.06.2004 8:18 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

the flaming ninja thing was just a drawn out metaphor to describe Halo 2. i doubt it will make it into the game

  • 07.06.2004 8:22 PM PDT
Subject: Covenant Hierarchy...
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Posted by: Shai Hulud
Exaclty.

Even with the little Grunts... If they're gone, the Covenant population would become very small.... Probably too small to wage a very offensive war (since they use Grunts for the dangerous stuff) like they are doing.

Take away the Elites, the Prophets have no military control, nor military brilliance (since Elites are most likely the smartest for tactical use).

Take away Hunters, and I have no clue what would happen. The fact that they are barely tolerant of the other Covenant is incredibly interesting...

Take away Jackals, and you have no stealthy scouts, snipers, assasins, espionage agents, etc..... Of course, other races can be used for this, but the Jackals' superior senses, small stature, and good agility make them exceptional for these uses.

Take away Engineers, and you don't have any, well, engineers.... The Prophets could do this, since they have the brains, but they're probably not as efficient at building/dismantling things.

Take away Prophets, you have little brains and political control.

As I said, this is interesting... more interesting by the minute.


Although people have said that if the grunts were gone the covenant population would go down a lot... If you think about it grunts arent covenants is the very first book it states that they are there own species. :-)

  • 07.06.2004 8:27 PM PDT
Subject: Alliances in a Covie Civil War

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Anyway, who do you guys think that would side with each other? Who would go against each other? I think I've figured it out, correct me if you think I'm wrong.
1.Prophets-------------------------------------------------------------------------1 .Elites
2.Brutes--------------------------------------------------------------------------2 .Hunters
3.Jackles---------------------------------------------------------------------------3 .Grunts
------------------------------------------4.Engineers--------------------------------------
I don't think the engineers would take sides, seeing particulary the way they acted toward John, they didn't care that he wasn't Covie, as long as the engineer got something to work on, he was happy.

[Edited on 7/7/2004 9:02:32 AM]

  • 07.07.2004 8:41 AM PDT
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I dont know i think 1 brute would be able to kill 10 elites if you remember in first strike when the spartans atacked the covie space station the brutes killed one of the spartans

  • 07.07.2004 9:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: DarKNecross
Note-in reply to Major Silva's post
*FLAME FLAME FLAME FLAME FLAME*
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT !!!!
CORTANA IS TALKING ABOUT MASTER CHIEF WHEN SHE SAYS REINFORCEMENTS ARE COMING!! 2 IF THE REINFORCEMENTS ARE ELITES OR PROPHETS, IT WOULD RUING THE GAMES! WHY WOULD YOU BE HELPED BY THE ELITES THAT WERE SENT TO DESTROY EARTH!! THE PROPHETS WOULDN'T BE FIGHTING YOU!! YES I CANT TURN CAPS OFF!! THE FORERUNNER HAVE BEEN EXTINCT FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!!!! THEY WOULDN'T BE FIGHTING!!! NAME ONE INSTANCE WHERE IN FACT THE FORERUNNER WERE DOCUMENTED TO ACTUALLY FIGHT BY THEMSELVES!! THEY ARE SO ADVANCED THEY WOULD MAKE MACHINES THAT WOULD BE SUPER SOLDIERS, BETTER THAN THE SPARTANS!! YOU INSIGNIFICANT, IGNORANT, RETARDED -BLAMDY BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM DY BLAM X100000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-


you are 100% right

  • 07.07.2004 9:09 AM PDT
Subject: Alliances in a Covie Civil War

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Well the Brutes seemed to hate everything but the Prophets. At least Tartarus did. You are probably dead on with the Engineers, but I have a feeling we will find out more about them later. The Elites hate the Brutes, but seem to get along OK with the Hunters and Jackals. And the grunts will side with whoever they are most scared of, maybe even humans.
Posted by: Vasheeth
Happy Bungie Day!

Anyway, who do you guys think that would side with each other? Who would go against each other? I think I've figured it out, correct me if you think I'm wrong.
1.Prophets-------------------------------------------------------------------------1 .Elites
2.Brutes--------------------------------------------------------------------------2 .Hunters
3.Jackles---------------------------------------------------------------------------3 .Grunts
------------------------------------------4.Engineers--------------------------------------
I don't think the engineers would take sides, seeing particulary the way they acted toward John, they didn't care that he wasn't Covie, as long as the engineer got something to work on, he was happy.

  • 07.07.2004 9:10 AM PDT
Subject: Covenant Hierarchy...
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Posted by: skraeling
Based on the Covenant bestiary, if there was to be a split in the Covenant it would be Elites+Hunters against Prophets+Brutes+Engineers. Judging from how the Jackals and Grunts dislike each other, they would not remain on the same side. But, it is unclear what side the Grunts or Jackals would choose. Just making a wild guess I'd say the Grunts would join the Elites and Hunters, and the Jackals would join the other side.


if the grunts had a choice they would not be with the elites because of years of being the elites cannon fodder and the jackals respect the elites

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  • 07.07.2004 9:15 AM PDT

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They don't want another race of uber-cool dudes beating the sh17 out of them. Spar7ans and Eli7es killing grunts? That's too unfair and uncool to think about. I don't think that they would join us either, I don't think the marines could handle that. Maybe Sargeant Johnson and the ODSTs, but I don't think the marines could handle fighting along a species that has killed millions of you. So, I think it might be a 3-way battle early on [elites,hunters,grunts(Covie military) vs. brutes and jackles(Covie Religion) vs. Spartans, marines, ODST's(Humans).] Then, later on, the flood would come in, just like the first game, and then another completely seperate and independent race would come in, for a 5 way battle (Covie military vs. Covie Religion vs. Humans vs. Flood vs. New race) for the best kick-ass battles ever created in any game. Maybe, even Sentinels will make a come-back, or yet another race, to make it a 6-way battle, W00T! That in itself would kick all other games asses, put Nintendo out of buisness, and deal a huge blow to Sony. Then add everything else that's in the game to kill Sony, make everyone buy an XBOX (if they haven't already), make everyone get an XBOX Live Subscription (if they don't), make everyone get broadband (also if they don't), and complete bungie's quest of world domination!!!!!

  • 07.07.2004 9:40 AM PDT

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  • 07.07.2004 9:49 AM PDT
Subject: Alliances in a Covie Civil War

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Posted by: GameJunkieJim
Well the Brutes seemed to hate everything but the Prophets. At least Tartarus did. You are probably dead on with the Engineers, but I have a feeling we will find out more about them later. The Elites hate the Brutes, but seem to get along OK with the Hunters and Jackals. And the grunts will side with whoever they are most scared of, maybe even humans.
Posted by: Vasheeth
Happy Bungie Day!

Anyway, who do you guys think that would side with each other? Who would go against each other? I think I've figured it out, correct me if you think I'm wrong.
1.Prophets-----------------------------------------------------------------------1 .Elites
2.Brutes------------------------------------------------------------------------2 .Hunters
3.Jackles-------------------------------------------------------------------------3 .Grunts
------------------------------------------4.Engineers--------------------------
I don't think the engineers would take sides, seeing particulary the way they acted toward John, they didn't care that he wasn't Covie, as long as the engineer got something to work on, he was happy.


hmmm.... I got the feeling that the jackles would have sided with the Prophets, maybe it's just me. Someone from bungie should come and settle this.

  • 07.07.2004 9:51 AM PDT

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You may be right. Jackals are probably more religious than conquestious.

  • 07.07.2004 9:57 AM PDT
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Maybe the Elites will begin to get uneasy. Possibly an upset in the ranks of the Covenant? I think that the Elites will be replaced by the Brutes, because of almost fanatic loyalty to the Prophets and the Covenant religion, causing the Elites to get angry. Maybe a civil war will break out, along with all the other fun stuff.

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i think that the mostlikelt to defect race is the hunters or the brutes. the books leads tward the hunters but the clues lead tward the elites. hence the elite-brute feud, the elites bieng playable in multiplayer, ect. if the elites do defect then they probobly wont fight alongside us like the marines but rather for themselves like the flood. therefore they attack the othercovanent as well as us.



wouldnt it be cool if the elites convinced the grunts to defect with them? since the elites love bossing the grunts so much.

  • 07.07.2004 10:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: solidcanon
i think that the mostlikelt to defect race is the hunters or the brutes. the books leads tward the hunters but the clues lead tward the elites. hence the elite-brute feud, the elites bieng playable in multiplayer.


I totally agree with you like why would we be able to play as them right but i have another thought too. You know how the covenant have different colours of armor to express their ranks. Well maybe it wont be the whole entire elite force that revolts but just a portion of it maybe just the yellow elites or the blue and red ones right. I think that would be more plausible than the whole elite species and that could be the same for the jackals too but i think its more likely for the elites to do that

  • 07.07.2004 11:04 AM PDT
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I Have Only Read the 1st 5 Pages of this Topic so sorry if the mood of the topic has changed or whatever.

Some parts of the Covenant may want to allie with humanity, because after years of fighting they consider us a worthy admersverary (right spelling?). This war might have the political standings of world war II, where hitler and the -blam!-stische party wanted to ally with Churchill, but we didnt because we didnt like their policys. It says that Elites dont think we are worth more than dirt, but some of the other races may think otherwise. Hunters may think we are militarially (is that even a word?) brilliant as we have the guts to fight something clearly better than us.

Personally i dont think the Covenant will split, but in the event of that happening, Humans will fight or or be helped by a member of the covenant. As like with Tony Blaire and Kernal Kadaffi, we can easily forgive someone who is truely sorry or something.

Sorry but i may be talking crap. It sorter made sense as i was writing it.

  • 07.07.2004 11:14 AM PDT
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i don't think that any of the the covenant will defect at all. the elites are playable in multiplayer so that you have more of a choce in caricters(spell?). kind of like the color select but different. i think the tird race is ether a forrunner or just anouther kind of covenant.
i think Atrus said it when "All will be wrong until the day when some will be proven right."(meaning that we'll just have to wait and see).

  • 07.07.2004 11:19 AM PDT
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First thing. If you are going to post please read some of the previous posts. SOOOOOO many people keep posting something like, "Do you think that the (Covenant Race Here) could possible rebel because of (Reason Here)?" STOP IT PLEASE!!! We have already discussed almost every possible way a Covie Civil War could break out!

Second. I, for one, doubt that the flood, 343 GS, or the sentinels will return. They were on Halo, and Halo was destroyed. The only TWO shipd two leave Halo were both destroyed in time, one capturing the Ascendent Justice (SP?) and the other the the A.J. blew up the Covie Flagship/worldship. A new species intorduced into Halo 2 I'm sure will either be yet ANOTHER Covie species, or perhaps the second squad of SPARTANS that CPO Mendez was "training."


Please people, read the posts before yours and not just the subject.

  • 07.07.2004 11:35 AM PDT
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where is this 'Covenant Bestiary' anyways?

I cant seem to find it on Bungie.net, so is it on another site?

  • 07.07.2004 12:07 PM PDT

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  • 07.07.2004 12:10 PM PDT
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343 GS was not killed on halo. if you watch the credits at the end of halo you'll see him fly away and laugh. i think that the flood will come back because i heard somewhere that there is another halo and another halo probably means that there will be more flood.

  • 07.07.2004 6:00 PM PDT

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I don't think that the Covenant will just "take sides" so easily... Things are more complex than that. If a civil war started, the species themselves will split, some grunts/jackals/elites/etc... taking one side, and other grunts/jackals/etc.... taking another.

But I doubt we'll be seeing a civil war in Halo 2.

  • 07.07.2004 6:42 PM PDT
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the covenant can't split because unless you play as an elite(whitch i high doubt will happen).
the game would just be really bad if you were only fighting some covies. the covenant needs to become stronger like the hunters lose that little weakness(that covers half their body). you just have to face it people there is not going to be a civil war between the covenant. not now, not when halo2 comes out.a covenant civil war wouldn't be fun at all. they would kill each other before i could kill em.

  • 07.07.2004 7:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Erls
First thing. If you are going to post please read some of the previous posts. SOOOOOO many people keep posting something like, "Do you think that the (Covenant Race Here) could possible rebel because of (Reason Here)?" STOP IT PLEASE!!! We have already discussed almost every possible way a Covie Civil War could break out!

Second. I, for one, doubt that the flood, 343 GS, or the sentinels will return. They were on Halo, and Halo was destroyed. The only TWO shipd two leave Halo were both destroyed in time, one capturing the Ascendent Justice (SP?) and the other the the A.J. blew up the Covie Flagship/worldship. A new species intorduced into Halo 2 I'm sure will either be yet ANOTHER Covie species, or perhaps the second squad of SPARTANS that CPO Mendez was "training."


Please people, read the posts before yours and not just the subject.


Read the news, the Flood is CONFIRMED it's not a matter of belief.

  • 07.07.2004 7:33 PM PDT
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"OMG dude, it's book 4 now. Where have you been!?!? New Zealand??!?!"

???????????????????????????????????

'scuse me Covenant Ninja but why are you trying to B/S me, i checked up on the official site and the THIRD book is shedualed fo release this year. Legends of Dune TRILOGY - The third book is The Battle of Corrin. Just 'cause i'm from a little place like New Zealand doesn't mean you can try to fool me.

  • 07.07.2004 11:25 PM PDT