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Subject: 4 Legends of Dune Books??????????????
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ok you guys are getting off topic for a stupid reason.stop fighting and and just hug like the elite and sargent johnson.

  • 07.08.2004 7:41 AM PDT

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I know its off topic, but about the Dune books (which, obviously, I know about), Perhaps Covenant Ninja thought that Butlerian Jihad was the fourth book, and that Legends of Dune included all prequels (including the Preludes to Dune trilogy).

But you're right, there will only be 3 Legends of Dune novels, the last of which is comming out this september (in the US, anyway).

  • 07.08.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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The fact that the Brutes don't really have a "Role" in the Covenant makes me think the Elites are gonna rebell against the Prophets. The prophets favoring the Brutes more and more, so they are starting to fill the same gap as the elites. The Elites are kinda mad about this, because the Brutes are slowly taking up more, and more of the elites' space. Though I think hey would need some sort of big revelation to go from yelling at each other with the random fight, to all out rebellion against the prophets.

  • 07.08.2004 2:15 PM PDT
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OMG, ok plasma boy listen htis has been discused about a million times in this thread, the elites or any other of the covies for that matter, will rebel, revolt, or any other synonym of the word. there is not going to be a covie civil war in halo2. the covenant are to smart to do that in the middle of the war on humans. if there was going to be a civil war it would only happen after the humans are all dead and they have done whatever they are going to do with earth.
no offence to you it's just i'm tired of people bringing this up.plus it would make the game too easy.

now thats done, what do you guys think that the covenant will do with earth if the humans lose the war. they are not going to destroy it because if they were they would have just glass it from space the minute they found it. there is obviously something that they want on our planet. well in the words of sargent johnson"well we're not gonna let 'em have it, what we will let 'em have is a belly full of lead and a pool of their own blood to drown in. am i right marines!?!" now we know that MC and the marines will defend earth but what do you think they are defending that the covenant want. i think it's some kind of huge control room that can activate all of the halo's main weaponry at once.

location is the other queston. where would something like that be hidden. ocean floor? no.....to many other movies and games have played that card, i don't think bungie will go that way. the moon......mabey. one posibility that i haven't heard is antartica. we don't have that big of a drilling device to dig through all that ice. the covenant have plasma so they will just blat it. any thoughts on the location of the forerunner......whatever.

  • 07.08.2004 3:58 PM PDT
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Well, Bungie said that all (or at least most) of the multiplayer levels directly relate to the Campaign. So has anyone else read the article that talks about Waterworks. I think it's possible that "Forerunner Building" in the center of the map could be what the Covenant are looking for in the Campaign. And Waterworks as we all know is underground, but where? It's impossible to tell.

  • 07.08.2004 4:05 PM PDT
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Saying that Covenant fighting Covenant would be boring and too easy is like saying that the Flood fighting the Covenant is boring and too easy. Various alien races fighting each other isn't going to be any less fun in Halo2 than it was in Halo1.

And yes, the Covenant are perfectly capable of falling into a civil war right before a great victory. Intelligence has nothing to do with it. There are emotions such as hubris, arrogance, jealousy, and vengeance that all override any intellectual decision a person might make. And it seems to me there are plenty such emotions floating around in the Covenant.

And finally, as you can see here, in Halo the Elites and Hunters join forces to unleash the Flood onto the Grunts, under the pretense of being a gift, in the hopes that the Flood would reach the Prophets and leave the Elites and Hunters sole leadership of the Covenant on Halo. The plan backfired, obviously. After the Elites' and Hunters' betrayel, the Prophets began to rely on the much more loyal Brutes who previously only guarded hallowed temples. The Elites and Hunters see this and begin to suspect that the Prophets will attempt to "expell" them from the Covenant and decide that they will make the first move. Thus the groundwork for an all out rebellion is started.

  • 07.08.2004 5:21 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Skraeling, its amazing how you picked that up out of a simple Xmas card. I never saw that before.

But... perhaps you look too deep into it. Although, yes, it does look somewhat like a hint... maybe all it is is just a Xmas card (but still, Kudos to you for seeing that).

  • 07.08.2004 5:28 PM PDT
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Well, I'm pretty sure the covenant will be arguing, and possibly fighting amongst each other. Mainly the Brutes, and Elites. I'm not saying that there will be any side changing in Halo 2, but if the covenant does split up the major factions will be the prophets and brutes, against the Elites.

  • 07.08.2004 5:30 PM PDT
Subject: Intra-Covenant Conflict
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There is one thing that no one seems to have noticed (not even me) although it is the most obvious, especially with all the talk of awesome new Covenant AI.

Most of us know how in Marathon when aliens accidently hit each other they would turn and fight to the death, something that was absent from Halo. Perhaps the talk of dislike between members of the Covenant is a hint that in Halo 2 various factions might turn on each other if you trick them into shooting one another. A Grunt shoots a Hunter in the back, the Grunt is history. A group of Elites shoots at you but hits some Brutes, well, all hell breaks loose. Could add a whole new layer of strategy.

  • 07.08.2004 6:08 PM PDT
Subject: 4 Legends of Dune Books??????????????
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I agree the Elites seem to be the most rounded. So if a revolt were to happen it would probaly be an even split between the other races. Probaly an equal number of Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters would spilt between the Elites and the Prophets/Brutes. I believe that the Elites race probaly didn't wish to be part of the covenant, but were out guned and out number by the orginal covenant. The Prophets see that the Elites were a strong military race opted to integrate them into the covenant since they lack any kind of military brillince/leadership. Since i doubt that the brute have any form of planning, they be perfect watch dogs for the Prophets to keep an eye on the Elites to make sure that they don't untied the other races againist them. So the Elites don't like be watch by a race they consider under them. So in my opinon the Elites are stal for the perfect time to revolt. Maybe in the middle other their assualt on earth? Though this is pure theory of course. That and i haven't read any of the halo books. [So how are they?]

  • 07.08.2004 6:10 PM PDT
Subject: Intra-Covenant Conflict
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Posted by: skraeling
Most of us know how in Marathon when aliens accidently hit each other they would turn and fight to the death, something that was absent from Halo. Perhaps the talk of dislike between members of the Covenant is a hint that in Halo 2 various factions might turn on each other if you trick them into shooting one another. A Grunt shoots a Hunter in the back, the Grunt is history. A group of Elites shoots at you but hits some Brutes, well, all hell breaks loose. Could add a whole new layer of strategy.

This sound resaonable

  • 07.08.2004 6:12 PM PDT
Subject: 4 Legends of Dune Books??????????????
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Alright so if the covenant came to desroy earth they would most likely just glass it all and be done. But as we all know the covenant attack us with infantry. (where has that happened before) So if they are attacking us with infantry they do want something on the earth. Most likely something forerunner. So we all know that they are attacking New mombasa which i would imagine is somewhere close to old mombasa. So since mombasa is in africa and since the africans were the first to smelt iron on the face of the earth then the forerunner most likely landed their and had some influence on the natives. also they could have left something their which the covenant are looking for. Ohh and one more thing maybe the forerunner did some experiments on us like ( and I use this idea loosely) when we were less evolved or something so they could have done something to make us more intellligent and innovative or something like that.

[Edited on 7/8/2004 6:48:40 PM]

  • 07.08.2004 6:48 PM PDT
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My theory is: the covenant are looking to destroy all of Humanity. No matter what. I also think they are looking for something. Maybe the Forerunners put something in/on Earth. In Fall of Reach the hunters are collecting stones from Sigma Octanis 4 and examining them. Whatt if the same thing happens on Earth? What if there are more gems with "inscriptions" on them?

What I believe is that the Covenant will wait. They won't glass Earth right away. They won't want (or have) to wait long until they find whatever they're looking for. I can think of 3 possible scenarios, each less likely than the last.

1) The covenant will find every gem on Earth, then glass it.
2) The Covenant will not find the gems, get impatient,glass the planet, and then search again
3)The Humans find the gems, destroy them, and wipe out the Covenant (yay!)

  • 07.09.2004 10:45 AM PDT
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what if what the covenant are looking for is not something small. i'm not saying that they may not be looking for another one of those crystal things like Dr. hasley and the spartains found on reach. but what if we are thinking to small. what if the entire palmet has somthing to do with the entire planet. like the arangment of the contenants have something to do with the location of some other forrunner object, probably another halo, but who knows.

  • 07.09.2004 7:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: fire_team_tango
I agree the Elites seem to be the most rounded. So if a revolt were to happen it would probaly be an even split between the other races. Probaly an equal number of Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters would spilt between the Elites and the Prophets/Brutes. I believe that the Elites race probaly didn't wish to be part of the covenant, but were out guned and out number by the orginal covenant. The Prophets see that the Elites were a strong military race opted to integrate them into the covenant since they lack any kind of military brillince/leadership. Since i doubt that the brute have any form of planning, they be perfect watch dogs for the Prophets to keep an eye on the Elites to make sure that they don't untied the other races againist them. So the Elites don't like be watch by a race they consider under them. So in my opinon the Elites are stal for the perfect time to revolt. Maybe in the middle other their assualt on earth? Though this is pure theory of course. That and i haven't read any of the halo books. [So how are they?]

In my opinion the Prophets and Elites are the founding members of the covenant. Though the Elites accepted the Prophets' religion, they really joind for the technology that the Prophets had acess to. Then the elites went around forcing alliances with some speciese, and destroying others. Eventually the Covenant found the Brutes who not only where more than willing to join the covenant, but also accepted the Prophets' religion fanatically. This caused them to gain the Prophets' favor. The Brutes seem to be able to do everything the Elites are capable of doing, and even more so. Making the Elites seem inferior in the Prophets' eyes.

  • 07.09.2004 7:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: JohnKerensky
I just wanted to point out that I sincerly doubt there will be an open rebellion among the Covenant armies until Humaity is wiped out. It is a simple matter of working with one 'enemy' to dispose of a more hated foe. The tolerance of the Hunters is maintained because they may dislike the other covenant races, but they hate Humanity more. I do not believe that the Hunters alone could win independance from the rest of the empire though, which would lead them to a pickle of facing extinction in trying to win independance, or fighting along side Humans to crush the Covenant empire. Either way, things are not going to be pretty. I highly doubt that any of the races will be able to put aside their hate of Humanity and join 'us.' However, the one idea that is interesting to me is the idea of the Covenant wiping out one of their own races, however, it would be completly foolish to open a 'second front.'

Lastly, does anyone else get the feeling that all Humanity really controls anymore is Terra? We have one planet against how many Covenant planets? Humanity is on its last leg. Think for a moment just how utterly *DIRE* that makes 'our' situation (even if 'we' control more planets, Reach was 'our' last military stronghold other than Terra,) and you will realize bungie has to do some *serious* story twisting to end this happily for Humanity, and I quite frankly, can not wait to see how they do it.

B- D


The books did say that Reach was the last military stronghold, but it also said that the covenant bypassed DOZENS (I think it was, anyway) of other inner colonies to reach Reach.

Sorry if anyone else mentioned this

  • 07.09.2004 9:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Erls
First thing. If you are going to post please read some of the previous posts. SOOOOOO many people keep posting something like, "Do you think that the (Covenant Race Here) could possible rebel because of (Reason Here)?" STOP IT PLEASE!!! We have already discussed almost every possible way a Covie Civil War could break out!

Second. I, for one, doubt that the flood, 343 GS, or the sentinels will return. They were on Halo, and Halo was destroyed. The only TWO shipd two leave Halo were both destroyed in time, one capturing the Ascendent Justice (SP?) and the other the the A.J. blew up the Covie Flagship/worldship. A new species intorduced into Halo 2 I'm sure will either be yet ANOTHER Covie species, or perhaps the second squad of SPARTANS that CPO Mendez was "training."


Please people, read the posts before yours and not just the subject.


The flood are coming back. Bungie said so. Also, there are many Halos. And sentinels are on Halos Each installation has a radius of a 'mere' 25,000 light years. Many more than 1 would be needed to extinguish all life in the galaxy. And, the Ascendant Justice was never on halo. It arrived in the system shortly after Halo was destroyed. Sgt. Johnson did not destroy the Unyeilding Hirophant, which was constructed over Reach, and it was a command center. It was the Spartans who did that (remember, they overloaded the fusion reactors on it). And new Spartans would not be a "new Species", and I thought it was already decided the brutes were the new species.

Sorry to poke holes in your little thoery, but yeah. It was all wrong.

  • 07.09.2004 9:58 PM PDT
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Well for one thing if you took away the Hunters the Covenant would not have the brute strengh they need to destroy large groups of enamies.
And another is the Elites,they are cool and all but there to reliant on the Jackals and Grunts for protection and muling things around.
But theres one race you did not add to this list my friend and thats the brutes and there abilities aswell?

  • 07.09.2004 10:03 PM PDT
Subject: 4 Legends of Dune Books??????????????
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S!#t Kiddies,the only reason the prophets like the brutes more is most likly because they are more into the hole idea of the gods and not war.
But if i do remember the hight Prophet sent the Brute Tarturus to go to war against the humans with his kind and anyways the Elites a just promotion happy to the max.
But the Brutes Could tare apart a mighty Hunter as the book said,well Tarturus could anyways,but my point is that the Elites are just mad that the Prophets favor the Brutes for there strengh and crazy ass tactics on the battlefield.

  • 07.09.2004 10:23 PM PDT
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Hey man that is cool i can't wait till halo 2 comes out.
thankz for dat

  • 07.09.2004 10:28 PM PDT
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I think the brutes aren't gonna be all the intelligent. I mean listen to their name. When has abrute ever been referred to as anything intelligent. It hasn't so most likely the brutes will be easy to fool but dangerous if they aren't dealt with accordingly.

  • 07.10.2004 11:47 AM PDT
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Well ya i gues there not that smart but there are extremely strong.
But if the new AI on halo2 is as good as they say it is no matter what everybody ses they are going to be smart.
But on subject if any one should revolt it should be the Hunters and Brutes they are the srtongest and the Hunters are just being use for there strengh and the Brutes have the same thing there just being used for there abilities.
Why i say this?
Well because they are the strongest they are the meanist and they both can knock the Chief on his ass which for me is quite an acomplishment.
Plus if there races mated or had consumated they would be quite sufficent in killing just about anything.

  • 07.10.2004 1:19 PM PDT
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Shai Hulud, thanks much for creating this thread. This is probably some of the most interesting stuff I've seen in the forums for a while. About your comment about Hunter's rebelling...
[quote]Posted by: Shai Hulud

I think that, if any race defects, it will be the Hunters. Its shown that they don't even associate much with other races, and don't like them much, either.

From reading First Strike, I can tell that it seems the rest of the races don't like Hunters, either. I don't think the other races trust them. Maybe explains why you normally fight them alone in Halo? Anyway, in FS when they (MC and company) are running with the crystal artifact whatsit, their are literally thousands of covies around them, on the walls and all that. A Hunter takes a shot at them, and is immediately obliterated by the rest of the covies. They definitely have a great pull into this religion, and if any rebelling were to occur, it would probably be over who is seen as the greater race in their gods' eyes. What do you think?

P.S. Any ideas why Hunters always fight in pairs?

  • 07.11.2004 12:44 PM PDT
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Good piont but it was both the Hunters that got vaped.
And the reason they fight in pairs and when one dies it gets in raged is like the Chief loosing one of his spartans or family as he called them even though they arnt family they still get mad and such.
If that didnt clerify it for you?
Well the Hunters are bond brothers.
What is a bond brother?
Well take the Chief and Sam the first spartan to get killed bye the Covenant him and the Chief were very close when he died the Chief was enraged and killed all the covies he could find which is basicaly the same thing for the Hunters exeped they are huge and meaner and you can tell when there pissed so there you go man.
But the reason the other Covenant races dont like them is because they have no regard for the other races and if i do remember corectly on the planet the Chief and the other Spartans found the Hunters had crushed a Jakal for getting i nthe way so that usauly ses some thing.

  • 07.11.2004 1:04 PM PDT
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No covenant will break off from the rest, and join the humans. Covenant hatred for humans runs too deep, and it is highly unlikely that one race would break off from the winning side to go join the losers. Humans are losing this war, the fact that losing 600 ships was only a minor setback for the Covenant is proof enough.

I personally think that the other Covenant race will be somewhat like the hunters, or another race like the grunts, stupid, and basically used as cannon fodder. Maybe elites will sometime rebel against the prophets, but I don't think that will be anytime during this war. The Covenant aren't stupid. I think that Dr. Halsey will play a big part in this. I think that about halfway through the game, she will come back into play with either a new weapon or technology that will be greatly beneficial to the human war effort. And of course, Kelly.

I also think that there will be some trouble inside the human forces, we can't forget Ackerson.

  • 07.11.2004 1:31 PM PDT