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Where did all the people go? I wanna no if they got killed or evacuated. and if they got evacuated, where did they go?

  • 07.11.2004 1:33 PM PDT

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..Elites rule..

The way I see it is the covenant are well rounded in either way. Brains or brawn which ever way you slice it I think their here to stay. Sure they may have their problems but I agree that for right now they are going to stick together and wipe humanity off the face of the freaking universe (or die trying HEH HEH!). As regards to why they are on earth to begin with, maybe their isnt really a good reason. Maybe we just bumped into them or pissed them off to the point of hating our guts although the whole waterworks/underground secert suggesstion does make pretty good sense. Either way, revolt or not humans are basically screwed!


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  • 07.11.2004 1:46 PM PDT
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Someone near the beginning of this thread said that the covenant might be mad because all their races need the help of one and other and humans are so well rounded and have it all in one. Well that is wrong because the elites have everything we have, and more. I think if all the covenant revolted, the elites could still come close to killing humanity.

  • 07.11.2004 2:28 PM PDT
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Dude the Elites dont have everything we have. The only thing the elites have on their own is brute strength and battlefield tactics. They cannot and could not of made the covenant armada or any of the covenant technology without the help of the other races. The only reason why elites are so strong in the game is because of this. if the elites tried to wipe us out on their own it would be no contest we would win. Think about it take away all the other races and what are the elites left with. A bunch of rocks and some pointy sticks to attack us with. So your suggestion in my opinin is dead wrong the elites dont have more than we have they have less.

  • 07.11.2004 3:24 PM PDT
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Yes, yes of cours the Elites might not have thier plasma tech or shields but lets just say (hypotheticly) that teh elites are alone (no other covie race with them) and they get ahold of all the humman tech and weapons....who then do you think would win....


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  • 07.11.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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If it was Elites by themselves, they would adapt and change like we did. I mean come on, we used to be cavemen running around hitting deer with stones...
So who's to say that the Elites couldn't adapt and invent like we did?

  • 07.11.2004 4:44 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

they are intelligent,and most likely can invent new things,but they dont have to becasue theyre with the Prophets and they just mooch off the Forerunners

  • 07.11.2004 4:48 PM PDT
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Dude the Elites dont have everything we have. The only thing the elites have on their own is brute strength and battlefield tactics. They cannot and could not of made the covenant armada or any of the covenant technology without the help of the other races. The only reason why elites are so strong in the game is because of this. if the elites tried to wipe us out on their own it would be no contest we would win. Think about it take away all the other races and what are the elites left with. A bunch of rocks and some pointy sticks to attack us with. So your suggestion in my opinin is dead wrong the elites dont have more than we have they have less.
Where are you getting this? As far as I know they are just as intelligent as us...unless you can tell me where it says they aren't.

  • 07.11.2004 5:15 PM PDT

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Why would they cooperate with the prophets if they were able to start political and religious systems?

  • 07.11.2004 6:27 PM PDT

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Here's all you need to know about the prophets.
PROPHETS

Little to nothing is known about the Prophets due to the fact they are one of the most secretive races of all the Covenant castes. They are the first species that started the Covenant with the Elites and Engineers.

They are the religious and political leaders of the Covenant.
Prophets actually originated on a world that was once home to a Forerunner colony. This comes from several and is known and respected by all the higher Covenant castes. This is the reason that the Covenant revere all Forerunner artifacts, and it is for this reason that the Covenant have such advanced technology, because they have been using technological remnants of the Forerunners.

The role of the Prophets, for as long as can be recalled, is to archive, explore and locate Forerunner technology and artifacts. These intelligent, highly evolved beings are physically weak, hence their need for Elite allies. The pact allows the Prophets to advance their search through conquest and occasionally assimilation of species whose home worlds or solar systems contain Forerunner architecture or technology, often disregarded by the resident species. Prophet ceremony and purpose is not generally known to the Covenant population, most of which simply trust in their wisdom to further the goals and territory of the Covenant.

Contrary to popular belief the Prophets aren’t solely in charge of the Covenant Empire. Highly ranked Elites that have proven themselves can outrank all but the most esteemed Prophets. A technique used to balance power and show the mutual dependences of each race for its talents.

Prophets were one of the founding races of the Covenant.

Rather than have "names" in the traditional sense, most Prophets are instead simply referred to as "Holy One", "Eminence", or some other religiously significant title.


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  • 07.11.2004 6:48 PM PDT
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i agree that if there was any kind of civil war in the covenant it would destroy he whole point of the game. also the point about the brutes and the elites hating each other sounds about right. but u have to keep in mind in fs they make the brutes look like dumb shmucks that just like to destroy things. The elites are the tactical guys that are smarter but arent field ready as the brutes so if the covenant use this to there advantage it would put the humans in a world of hurt

  • 07.11.2004 6:53 PM PDT
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Ok this is how it works the Prophets the Elites and the Brutes are the founding races they just rncorperated the other races for there specific talents.
The Brutes were just temple gaurds.
Why i say this?
Because it said so ok they were temple gaurds for there strengh and for there trust in the gods and such,but they arnt dumb other wise they would have not sneaked up on the Chief.
The only reason why the Elites are incharge of the battle fleets is because they are just smarter then the brutes when it comes to tactics.
Prophets,WEAK beings that use the Elites to control and orient the leser forces to there jobs and tasks they need to proform.
But in FS the brute Tarturus was Smart,strong,and very pissed at the Humans (Chief and other Spartans that whent into the temple)which is why he was summoned to the High Prophet and was sent to destroy Earth and all its inhabitants so they could find the Forrunner temple,artifact,or gagit they had there.
The only reason the Brutes have not killed each and every one of the Elites or other races is because the Brutes beleave that the Elites know what they are doing and they trust there abilities.
And in that fact it was the Prophets and the Engineers that built all the Covenant weapons and starships and armore so with out them the Elites would just be pissing and throwing shat at the human ships.
the reason is because the Enineers probibly came from the same planet as the Prophets and the reason why i say that is becaues they kinda look like each other but who knows it might be that they are distant cosins its just that the Engineers can flote and the Prophets need anti grav belts.
But if the Elites had not had the other races they'd be f u c k e d and every one knows it and so do they there just to proud to say so.

  • 07.11.2004 11:10 PM PDT

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Actually my friend,how did the covenant advanced so much?cuz of each race putting a little bit of what they're good at to the whole empire.Elites and brutes are high ranked castes but each serve the covenant empire with what they're good at,if it wasn't for the elite's adcanced battle tactics,brute's awesome strength and loyalty,how the hell would the engineers and the prophets achieved so much technology?who cleared the way for them?i think every caste in the covenants is a key to their success.NOT even grunts should be overlooked.think about it.The prophets use the elites to fight for them so they can make new weapons,star ships,it's just too easy to even argue about,put it liek this..The engineers and prohets are weak but their wisdom is far more superior than those of the elites/brutes/hunters/jackals/and grunts.but this dudes help them fight so the prophets can plan and all with time.

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  • 07.11.2004 11:32 PM PDT
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Good point,very good point,but kinda rong.
Reason if every race put what there good at in to the Covenant Empire then what the hell are the Grunts there for there not good for anything but being scared.
The reason why the Brutes joined is Because the Prophets told them that they were worthy of Protecting there Temples and such Artifacts that they found.
Elites they just joined for the honor of the kill and the esteam they got for winning battles for the weak Prophets.
The engineers didnt care they just wanted to build things.
I bet that if the Humans found them and used them for Techs instead of the Human Techs they had,the Humans would have no problem killing each other race.
But it is there Religion that holds the races to gether,promises of a peradise and life of peace if they find every one of the Forrunners devices and temples.
But back to my point if the other races didnt want peradise then why every time a Elite in the book is about to die then why does it say they wait for paradise.
The Grunts are just there because they were promised a methane rich paradise and that there familys would be spared.
I dont know about the Hunters they probibly there for the killing,destuction and such.
Jakals I dont know about them they just got Recruited into the Covenant i think but oh well.

  • 07.11.2004 11:48 PM PDT
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  • 07.12.2004 12:34 AM PDT
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Halo2 will rock. I know this is irrelivent

  • 07.12.2004 1:26 AM PDT
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-blam!- rights it will rock its HALO but with a 2 at the end and there on earth not a giant ring thing.



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  • 07.12.2004 11:46 AM PDT
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were the hell did you get why all the elites and brutes being there for whatever reason? does it write it anywhere? no.
All we know is that covenant are religiously binded and every single race (dunno about hunters) trusts and loves the prophets.The prophets are higher in the heireachy than anyone by a mile as they executed a very high ranking elite (higher than gold) when he wasn't succesful without any type of uprising from elites, not even a whisper.

my opinion is that aside from being temple guards brutes are there to check the military for the prophets and do their dirty work which cannot be done by other elites simply because the it may be punishing (executing) the elites or other prophets or they are not trusted enough. i get this theory from first strike as the brute id ordered to execute the "incompetent one who was in charge of Ascendant Justice" whether that maybe a elite or prophet.

  • 07.12.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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than why are brutes counted as being soldiers(mercanaries)?

  • 07.12.2004 12:27 PM PDT
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That can be explained. The SS (I think it was them, correct me if I'm wrong) in Germany in WWII fulfilled a variety of functions. They were elite soldiers, and some of their functions included the basic assault assault forces, and the location and subsequent execution of anyone who opposed Hitler and/or his regime, and officers who had commited particularly appalling failures.
(My history is a little rusty)

The Brutes in Halo can be thought of as the Covenant's SS. They take on the particularly unpleasant task of executing high ranking officers who have failed their assignments. They are also an elite fighting force. Elites most likely could not be trusted in this task because they do not respect the prophets in the manner that the Brutes do and Elites are much weaker.

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  • 07.12.2004 12:51 PM PDT

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Dude..the grunts weren't promised no rich mathane nothing,they were just captured..
Grunt culture has been largely erased by their incorporation into the Covenant. They are essentially a slave race. Their home world is a swampy planet with a methane atmosphere and naturally occurring pillars of fire.

Approximately 5’ tall and relatively weak compared to other races, Grunts should not be underestimated, they can often kill a squad of careless marines. Though not at all agile they can carry heavy apparatus such as the Fuel Rod Gun and carry methane tanks within their armor which they need to breathe.

Grunts obey the other Covenant out of fear, because they have no political power in Covenant society. However within the Grunt community there is a strong hatred for other species, and a belief that someday a dynamic Grunt leader will lead them to freedom on a methane-rich paradise world.And dude,my clan is all about covenants,you can't teach me covenant.


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  • 07.12.2004 1:01 PM PDT

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I don't agree with people saying grunts are useless. Besides beeing the comical notes in the Covenant, they are usefull for cannonfodder and carying things around, like weapons and equipment, if the Elites or Brutes would be ocupied by this, there would be no one left to fight. Same thing goes for the Jackals, allthough i don't see them carying around heavy equipment.

  • 07.12.2004 1:40 PM PDT
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the reinforcements cannot be the elites of prophets if you watch the e3 03 halo movie not the release trailer you will see at the end of the movie it shows the master chief going against like 5 elites and it cant be the forerunner because as far as we know the forerunner do not even know we(humans) EXIST!!

  • 07.12.2004 1:48 PM PDT

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Look,those lites were spec ops laucnhed by the prophets in the pods,let me show u how it works.

DROP PODS

When the Covenant decide to capture a planet rather than simply glass it from orbit, they use orbital insertion pods to drop Elites to the planet’s surface as shock troops. Use of these pods is very hazardous and is reserved only for critical situations, or when a surprise attack is necessary. It is theorized that the pods are coated with an energy shield to disperse heat and are armored to withstand anti-air flak cannon fire.

Covenant Drop Pods are released in space from Covenant Carrier Ships. They are used by Special Ops Elites, landing in combat zones to secure the area for more Covenant ground forces.

One of the most dangerous methods of transportation, the Elite must stand in a confined space as the Drop Pod hurtles through the atmosphere, crashing into the ground. A hatch at the front will then collapse allowing the Elites to mobilize for the immediate battle.And like i said before,every single caste in the covenant empire has been a key to all of their numerous victories.


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  • 07.12.2004 1:55 PM PDT

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Now here is something interesting...Covenant despise Human technology. An unarmed Covenant warrior would rather fight in hand-to-hand combat, rather than pick up a dropped human weapon, even if it would save his life. Using human technology is seen as disrespect to the Gods and more than likely any Covenant seen using a human weapon would be executed.

That said Covenant have been changing tactics, experimenting with the Human technology and finding ways to use it as an advantage. Covenant can use human weapons or Elites at any rate. An Elite once used a M6D pistol to execute a human POW once their usefulness had ended, commenting on its primitive projectile technology after doing so. A Special Ops officer, Zuka ‘Zamamee, learned how to pilot a human Pelican drop ship in order to infiltrate a human stronghold, using a captured human to pass protocol, whom he killed after fulfilling his purpose. Therefore it can be safely assumed that while the Covenant despise human technology seeing it as inferior and almost blasphemous to use, they will use it if it gives them a strategic advantage or if absolutely necessary.

  • 07.12.2004 2:18 PM PDT