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Subject: Has Bungie outgrown the Bungie.net forums?
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I see bungie as the most fun loving game company there is, and they like to spread that fun loving to its fans. But some of those fans go to far and think they can do anything here on the forums, I think thats what your caught up on right?
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And as for the mods not agreeing with each other, well there human! Of course there are going to be disagreements on punishments. Just like how your parents might disagree with their punishment ideas, (Spankings horrible/kids need to be spanked!) Stuff like that, its no big deal.

  • 08.18.2005 1:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: CinderSkip
There is middle ground being walked right now and you can tell that it is getting to the moderators because they can't keep up. And when they do act, the all react so diiferently. And moderators have been contricting other moderators.


So adding more moderators would solve them from contradicting each other? And in fact, I haven't noticed cases of them going against each other.

  • 08.18.2005 1:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Psyched
Therein lies the greatest problem, a lot of users' inability or unwillingness to read. They see "Bungie" in the URL and immediately think that it's for them to use as they see fit. Not only would making a site for the sole purpose of product support split up the mature existing communities but it would also succumb to the same fate as Bungie.net.

I agree unless it was heavily heavily moderated. It would no longer pretend to be a what it was was. And it would serperate the "old school."

The reason this is a new account is that I've been thinking about this for a while. I didn't want my past here to be confused with what I am saying here. I want to be an outside voice, a devil's advocate. Most of the old school folks just saty here or the Underground... although usually just here. So what happens if the Sept is remove from the public? It won't change all that much. But the rest of the place is filled with hate and anger and nonesense. What is happenening is new people ARE trying to be a part of a community but are finding themsleves lost in all the shouting. And when they defend themselves they feel suddenly shut out and shut down. And so they retreat.

There is more ill will than good will being created for new users.

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  • 08.18.2005 1:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gnome
And as for the mods not agreeing with each other, well there human! Of course there are going to be disagreements on punishments. Just like how your parents might disagree with their punishment ideas, (Spankings horrible/kids need to be spanked!) Stuff like that, its no big deal.

This is why it needs to be a job and not a hobby.

  • 08.18.2005 1:58 PM PDT
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Why don't you just use the xbox.com forums instead? They're official and seem to be moderated well.

Click here

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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Didn't we just upgrade two moderators with perma-ban powers? Recon and Stosh should be able to apply liberal amounts of forum justice with them...

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Posted by: CinderSkip
Posted by: Gnome
And as for the mods not agreeing with each other, well there human! Of course there are going to be disagreements on punishments. Just like how your parents might disagree with their punishment ideas, (Spankings horrible/kids need to be spanked!) Stuff like that, its no big deal.

This is why it needs to be a job and not a hobby.

How would that help? (BTW Interns dont get paid.)

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  • 08.18.2005 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Fragula
Didn't we just upgrade two moderators with perma-ban powers? Recon and Stosh should be able to apply liberal amounts of forum justice with them...


Recon and Yoozel are the new Masters (Shishka and stosh the original duo).

Looks like impurity's all confuddled again...

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  • 08.18.2005 2:12 PM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Actually wasn't it Recon and Yoozel? Bouncing Baby Buddha only knows why I confuse Stosh with Yoozel so often... :s

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It would help becasue there could be one hand communication.

I am very glad for Recon and Nos. My point is not getting more mods. It is the very tone ofthe forms themselves. I am wondering, for the name of Bungie's image at largeand not just those who have been fans since Marathon or before, if they need to totally overhaul the very premise of these forums.

Is Bungie.net as is and it's forums as is helping the company or hurting? Not do you personally still have friends here where you can have a great conversation, but what is it doing for the customer. Just as putting Halo 2 onto Live was a huge step that is amazing but has created many issues about how a company handles cheating and ranking and customer feedback (not to be confused with XBL Feedback), the forums have become, because of the importance of the online presence, a feeding ground of ill will.

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It was Yoozel, I noticed that yesterday.

  • 08.18.2005 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: impurity
Recon and Yoozel*

Congrats, btw.




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  • 08.18.2005 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hogbipe
Why don't you just use the xbox.com forums instead? They're official and seem to be moderated well.

Click here



That isn't the point, we want Bungie to be the best it can be.

  • 08.18.2005 2:15 PM PDT
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Sorry, Recon and Yoozel.

Both of whom are great. But they are a perfect example of such defergent styles of moderating. Recon, god bless him, will give a poster so much rope waiting for him to hang himself, but sometimes let's threads go way beyond any hope of redemption. Yoozel, on the other and, is quite firm and will sometimes kill a totally innocent thread because it is slightly ironic.

  • 08.18.2005 2:17 PM PDT
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My friend, you would not tell with ſuch high zeſt
To children ardent for ſome deſperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum eſt
Pro patria mori.

Posted by: CinderSkip
Sorry, Recon and Yoozel.

Both of whom are great. But they are a perfect example of such defergent styles of moderating. Recon, god bless him, will give a poster so much rope waiting for him to hang himself, but sometimes let's threads go way beyond any hope of redemption. Yoozel, on the other and, is quite firm and will sometimes kill a totally innocent thread because it is slightly ironic.



It's the booze you see. It affects different people in different ways.

  • 08.18.2005 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: CinderSkip

I agree unless it was heavily heavily moderated. It would no longer pretend to be a what it was was. And it would serperate the "old school."

The reason this is a new account is that I've been thinking about this for a while. I didn't want my past here to be confused with what I am saying here. I want to be an outside voice, a devil's advocate. Most of the old school folks just saty here or the Underground... although usually just here. So what happens if the Sept is remove from the public? It won't change all that much. But the rest of the place is filled with hate and anger and nonesense. What is happenening is new people ARE trying to be a part of a community but are finding themsleves lost in all the shouting. And when they defend themselves they feel suddenly shut out and shut down. And so they retreat.

There is more ill will than good will being created for new users.


I think new users might be helped into the community by something like a "new members' chapter", to help them get accustomed with the Bungie forums. I remember coming to the Forums when they were relatively spam-free, but nonetheless I felt quite lost in the sea of posts which didn't interest me. I received an invite to a Chapter and joined, spent several months there before it quietened down and I returned to the main Forums feeling less swamped. Other than that I don't see what Bungie can do. The thought of changing the site is pretty remote at the time being, and even if there was a change I believe the problems would remain. I think this could be something for the thoughtful community to aspire to, finding a way to help the newer and overwhelmed users. But again, this comes back to my point about people helping themselves. I doubt very many would be willing to try and do something similar to what I have suggested, and so the complaints will continue with no action. And, on a new site, so would the situation also be.

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I think the point about going to the Xbox.com forums, while missing the point, has merit. Or EAs forums. Or UbiSofts. Or countless others. Yes, the "friendly" is sucked out them them, but they serve there pupose cleanly and helpfully.

And I agree it will not happen anytime soon. But if they plan an over haul by the time their next product come out, i think Bungie needs to take a really long hard look at what they want these forums to accomplish and if that is possible.

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  • 08.18.2005 2:24 PM PDT

I believe that Psyched is correct. Halo 2 drew in a new crowd that is less respectful of other people, and have little or no care how they act online. As Halo 2 is a game, so is Bungie.net a game for them. They come, they post an ass load for say, a week or two, and then extinguish their short little B.net lives and move onto something else since their attention span, god bless them, is less than stellar and is comparable to the proverbial gold fish swimming around his fish bowl with a three second memory.

(If you watched that Myth Busters episode, keep quiet.)

Given the attitude of the new community, Bungie tried their hardest, for some time, to maintain their close involvement with the community. What they got back were screams and yells. Things had changed and I can say without a shred of doubt that Bungie is frustrated with the actions of the community at large and have reduced their presence greatly because they were met with nothing but harshness and anger. I honestly can't blame them. Trying to be nice and respectful to the community was not working, people were ungrateful of anything they did and only wanted more.

As many people have said it before me and I have no doubt will say it after- Bungie has become a victim of it's own success. And while success brings it's own privileges- power, and wealth, it also makes you loose the things that some say are really the most important.

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  • 08.18.2005 2:25 PM PDT
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I don't necessarily believe the forums are bad. I think they're fitting their purpose, to facilitate discussion about Bungie, very well.

I see no benefits into turning these forums into a faceless corporate response center. For what purpose? To get our questions answered by Bungie? We already have the Weekly Update, and the Community guys responding to posts. If Bungie wanted to set up a technical support area/forum, fine by me. I'd probably post there more than I do on these forums.

Regardless of how silly the posters on these forums are, Bungie expected them to come here. The fan base has gotten larger, and these aren't exactly niche titles. Halo 2 set sales records, and is very closely tied to Bungie.net, it's to be expected. The forums serve the very distinct purpose of letting new fans know that Bungie is a community-oriented company. I played most of Bungie's games before I knew that, and I joined the forums after Halo.

  • 08.18.2005 2:41 PM PDT
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Bungie.net Is (albeit slowly) Improving since the halo 2 boom. The boom came at the forums in one big clump of spamers and morons and a few good ones mixed in, but sense then the forums are moving back in the direction of what they were in the first place. When that happens hopefully the B.net team will then have more time on their hands to once again be all that they can be.

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It’s easy to explain some people are just plain annoying and they deem it necessary to annoy others. A typical example is Zanzibar some guy created a thread looking for friends from his own country Canada almost immediately somebody feels the need to flame him for looking for Canadian friends and a couple of other people decide to flame as well. The first flamer then decides to create a thread called Americans only and in turn gets flamed. It’s a vicious cycle. How about giving certain members of each forum the power to lock a thread until a Mod has the time to give it a look over and see if it’s relevant or does indeed need locked. An even simpler solution is to have a report thread button.

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See, Gnome, I see the reverse. I see the "mature" forum members are moving to Chapters more and more. Zanzibar and Optimatch, argueably to most active forums are all but ignore by the mature members. But these are the two locations that are most likely to be the first place new people come to. I am just doubting more and more that the forums are presenting the Bungie that Bungie wants to be. I am also doubting that they can be that any more.

Again, I repeating, I am not dissing Bungie or the web team. But you can read it in their posts now. They ae tired and angry (or at least that is how it appears). New folks don't feel any connection to them and the more immature members feel the immediate need to rebel against them.

I used to work for a small coffee house. Ten employees and two owners. I loved the owners. They were (and are) great people. A few years later there were 10 stores, one of which I managed. Many of my employees hated the owners, for not reason besides that they were a faceless authority. They liked me fine, but the owners would come in and they'd get all nervous and freaked out. And the owners were same. They, not really knowing my employees, assumed the worsed of them or at the very least were suspecious.

That's were I see Bungie.

  • 08.18.2005 3:11 PM PDT