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Hey, in Halo CE, The "Oracle" or 343 Guilty Spark never got a Covenant "Reclaimer" It was just the Lt marine and the Master Chief. Maybe Humans (from another planet or somthing) are really the Forerunners, jus a pijillion years ahead. What do you think about this?

  • 08.20.2005 10:37 PM PDT
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I think so 2

  • 08.20.2005 11:07 PM PDT
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the "reclaimer" and the "forerunners" are two different things. the forerunners built halo to contain the flood, the reclaimer is the person that would activate halo. the reclaimer didn't have to be of the same race, just had to be able to fight the flood. none of the covenant have been called the reclaimer probably because:

1) the monitor noticed that the humans had more accurate intel about the ring's purpose than the covenant (humans think halo destroys all life to starve the flood, covenant think that it is just of religious importance).

2) the humans (well, Master Chief), have gotten further to the rings core, and have destroyed the flood more successfully than the covenant.

there are probably millions of other theories, but those two are the ones i bother to acknowledge right now.

[Edited on 8/21/2005]

  • 08.21.2005 12:45 AM PDT
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hey jazzy! and i think mr.MA5B is right...humans aren't forerunners!!!

  • 08.21.2005 2:14 AM PDT
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the coverment is use ure head wy do you think the elites have the fourunner mark on them.

  • 08.21.2005 4:32 AM PDT
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But the ORacle said in halo 2 that the forerunners havea lready activated the rings....he also said that the rings have hads a 3 trillion simulated and one actual activation record, meaning they have only been activated once BY the forerunner, and 343 says in halo 1 'y would you reconsider something you have already done, last time you asked me if i would do the same, after having a exeptionally long time to ponder your query, i have not changed my mind.' (or something along those lines) anyway showing that the forerunners have activated the rings only once (the ONLy time they were activated) meaning they are the reclaimers.

  • 08.21.2005 6:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nico G
the coverment is use ure head wy do you think the elites have the fourunner mark on them.


because the coveannt worship the forerunners, doesnt mean they are their ansestors

  • 08.21.2005 6:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr MA5B
none of the covenant have been called the reclaimer probably because:

1) the monitor noticed that the humans had more accurate intel about the ring's purpose than the covenant (humans think halo destroys all life to starve the flood, covenant think that it is just of religious importance).

2) the humans (well, Master Chief), have gotten further to the rings core, and have destroyed the flood more successfully than the covenant.


Actually, the humans were completely clueless about the ring. Notice Sgt. Johnson's words in the very beginning opening cinematic. Sarge doesn't know if it's a giant hula-hoop or if its god's own anti-son-of-a-b17ch machine. In contrast, the Covenant at least treated it as a monument, if you will. The humans never found out that the ring was supposed to destroy all flood by starving them. Only Chief finds that out.

Chief was called the Reclaimer because he was very similar to the Reclaimer who previously activated the Halo rings. Now consider a few things. Chief is different from any other soldier in that he has armor based on Covenant technology. The shields, design, etc, its all based upon stolen Covenant tech. Now, the Covenant simply copied the technology of the Forerunners, which they worshipped. Because it was considered sacrilege to alter Forerunner technology, Covenant armor was pretty much a copy of Forerunner tech. So Guilty Spark, seeing that Forerunner tech on MasterChief, was led to believe that Chief was the Reclaimer. Of course, its just a theory as of now...

  • 08.21.2005 8:11 AM PDT
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b4 i just thought that forerunners were just sum other ancient race that made the 7 halos....but now i agree w/ the guys that say there humans. i hope they get more into forerunners in halo 3 tho

  • 08.21.2005 8:19 AM PDT
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Here's an interesting theory about the forerunners...

  • 08.21.2005 10:56 AM PDT
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Lol, good one. As I remember, 343 says something like "they studied the flood because they held the key to their survival, this instalation is the most secure, and is the only one containing flood. It is good to see some of them survived to reproduce." in the Library. Which means one of two things, the humans are the decendants of the forerunners, or the forerunners were very human like.

  • 08.21.2005 11:35 AM PDT
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Can anyone who has the 'the flood' remember where the MC seems to know what buttons to push and doesnt know why? Its all subtle hint dropping.


'the flood'? Is that one of the books, Mr B? Can you explain this a little more?

  • 08.21.2005 2:53 PM PDT
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even from halo 1, it's pretty obvious that the halo ring was fired in the past. how would any of the forurunners survived if every sentiant being was killed? if the forrunners had created a way for some of their race to survive, it would counter act the rings purpose, now wouldn't it?
there is simply no way any survived, so they cannot be humans

  • 08.21.2005 3:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: me15ter
Actually, the humans were completely clueless about the ring. Notice Sgt. Johnson's words in the very beginning opening cinematic. Sarge doesn't know if it's a giant hula-hoop or if its god's own anti-son-of-a-b17ch machine. In contrast, the Covenant at least treated it as a monument, if you will. The humans never found out that the ring was supposed to destroy all flood by starving them. Only Chief finds that out.


He's right, Chief only found this out when Cortana popped up from the computer and told Chief about what Halo does.

  • 08.21.2005 3:13 PM PDT
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'the flood'? Is that one of the books, Mr B? Can you explain this a little more?

The Flood is the book based on the first Halo. Whenever the Master Chief uses a Covenant light control panel, he knows exactly what button to push. During the game when the Master Chief uses these panels, like the ones to activate the light bridge or to unlock the security system in TSC, Cortana allways asks him how he knows what exact button to push. He just says that he doesn't know.

I think that is was the Humans who were the Forerunners or something similar. Like the first SPARTANS maybe.

EDIT:
I just looked in the book and it says exactly this:

The display's shimmering geometric patters nagged at him, as if he should recognize them somehow. Even with his enhanced memory, he couldn't place where he'd seen them before. They just seemed...familiar.
He reached a finger out to one of the symbols, a blue-green circle. The Spartan expected his finger to pass through nothing more than air. He was surprised when his finger met resistance-and the panel lights began to pulse more quickly.
"What did you do?" Cortana asked, her voiced alarmed. "I'm detecting an energy spike."
"I...don't know," the Spartan admitted. He wasn't sure why he touched the "button" on the display. He just knew it felt right.

[Edited on 8/21/2005]

  • 08.21.2005 6:02 PM PDT
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freaky. Are they going to write more books? H3 had better kick ass...

  • 08.21.2005 7:31 PM PDT
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First off, from the books, its obvious humans were forerunners. I have a theory which I think holds true. Please bear in mind I havent played Halo2, and dont know the details of the story (only roughly).

Just go to bungie.org and click on "Halo Story" (or here) and download all of the H2 cutscenes. Just make sure you know you play as the arbiter at the end (it gets confusing).

  • 08.21.2005 7:58 PM PDT
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have you ever seen the Enginnear it looks like a flood or something else wierd thing. Anyway they could be the fourunners or are the fourrunners :S i dont get it eather

  • 08.22.2005 2:12 AM PDT
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I don't think the humans are the forerunners, or spark would have adressed them as such. They are probably one of the creations of the forerunners, thats what i always thought that they all were, humans, covies, flood.

  • 08.22.2005 7:02 AM PDT

Let there be CHAOS!

Posted by: Richard1000
But the ORacle said in halo 2 that the forerunners havea lready activated the rings....he also said that the rings have hads a 3 trillion simulated and one actual activation record, meaning they have only been activated once BY the forerunner, and 343 says in halo 1 'y would you reconsider something you have already done, last time you asked me if i would do the same, after having a exeptionally long time to ponder your query, i have not changed my mind.' (or something along those lines) anyway showing that the forerunners have activated the rings only once (the ONLy time they were activated) meaning they are the reclaimers.


i agree with what you're saying here...i never caught onto 343 when he said that....i just thought he was rambling on about something unimportant lol. also for every1 that says the rings going off would kill ALL life, i think you're wrong. i cant remember halo 2's ending that well...but i know 343 (or the other moniter..whatever) says something about an Ark. i'm thinking this is an allusion from the bible...you know, Noah's Ark? so i'm thinking the Ark is a safe place from Halo's like...ultra-galaxy destroying power. and i'm guessing that ark is on earth. so the forerunner all went to earth for safety while Halo went off. then something crazy must've happened because humans are no where near as technologically advanced as the forerunners were. but yea i'm not sure about all that....i kinda pulled all of it from various theories i've heard and stuff and kinda threw it together...

but, one thing bugs me. if humans are forerunner, why do the covenant worship forerunner but curse humans?? the covenant really are fools lol

  • 08.22.2005 12:26 PM PDT
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If humans are forerunner, do you think the prophets would like their seat of power taken from them. The covenant would worship humans. Or, we may be the decendants of the forerunners, but we aren't as advanced as they are, so the prophets didn't realise it.

  • 08.22.2005 3:35 PM PDT
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I don't think the earth is an ark - that would leave a potential vector for the flood to spread - only humans seem to be able to activate the Halos - The MC in the first and Miranda Keys in H2 - the Brutes could not - that's why they had Miranda in the first place.

  • 08.22.2005 6:38 PM PDT
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I think that you are right, i beleive in halo 3 they will reveil that Humans are the forerunners and the arbitar or the bruts will discover this... but what happens next?

EDIT: I'm sorry, i jumped the gun on my coment. I hadn't read anything anyone else said, i'm new the this whole forum thing. What if the forerunners where a group of different races from all over and the one who happened to activate halo was a human, that's why we're called the reclaimer. Now what if the recaimer sent his family and loved ones to earth (the ark) hoping that they would survive because maybe earth was uninhabited or maybe he just sent the dna or something like the martians did in mission to mars. Any way maybe the covenant is what servived of the forerunners but if the monitor doesn't recognize the covenant as anyone of any importance, that could only mean that the humans built the rings against the will of all the other races because they beleived it was the only way and that's why the covenant hate the humans because they know something that hasn't been reveiled to us... but i also like the time travel idea to.

[Edited on 8/22/2005]

  • 08.22.2005 6:57 PM PDT

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