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Let there be CHAOS!

damn halo's storyline pwnz lol

  • 08.22.2005 7:18 PM PDT
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if u really want to know IF HUMANS ARE THE FORERUNNERS READ THE TOPIC ON RVB.COM ON THE FOLLOWING LINK. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/forum/viewTopic.php?id=2171927

IF YOU DON'T WANNA REGISTER THERE I'LL POST WHAT IT SAYS IN THAT TOPIC HERE.

  • 08.23.2005 8:25 AM PDT
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THIS POST WAS BY Kasimoto on RvB.com's forums.

Posted by: Kasimoto on RvB

A guy in the Bungie forums found this out and i thought it was freakin awsome, so this might solve all those other topics about the humans and the Ark. All credits go to this guy:

S7NN3R

here is what he wrote

***SPOILERS****

Okay, I posted this on HBO, and IGN.com, and I think it may bear mentioning here.

Okay, this has been bugging me for a good long time. There are 7 Halos, each with a 25,000 light-year range of effect. I did research, and as it turns out, our galaxy, the Milky Way is 100,000 light-years in diameter.

Well, I took some pictures of our galaxy, and opened up a brand spankin' new MS paint doc.

I took an overhead view of the galaxy, and divided it into four sections, each approximately 25,000 light-years in width, illustrated with blue stripes. I then looked up Halo's diameter, and range of its weapon effect. (10,000km diameter, 25,000 light-year range of effect). So, that said, four Halos could be lined up horrizantaly, each at an interval of roughly 25,000 lightyears, and span the entire galaxy with thier effective ranges.

So, I tried to figure out where the Halos would go in order to cover the entire galaxy. I ended up putting one 2 on the 1/4 line going vertically, 3 on the 1/2 line, going vertically, with one close to the galactic center. I put the other two close to the 3/4 line, also vertically.

When they were in place, I noticed that there was one tiny spot not covered by a blast radius. I also found that I couldn't move one of the radii into place over there without giving up a very large section of the galaxy.

I took a different overhead view, this one showed the names of the spiral arms of this galaxy, and the part not covered was a small portion of the Perseus arm. To be more specific, it did not cover Sol System.

Now, this is pretty amazing in my opinion. The one place a Halo's blast could not reach without giving up a different, larger portion of the galaxy happened to be Sol System. This isn't because I love humans, or I wanted it to be like that (trust me, I don't). It is eerily odd.

This gives some pretty nice proof (in my eyes) that Earth IS the Ark spoken of in Halo 2. In biblical stories, Noah, commisioned by God, was told to build an Ark, so many cubits x so many cubits x so many cubits. What the hell is a cubit anyway. Nevermind, I digriss.

So, this Ark was the only palce on Earth to be able to be saved by the 40 day and night torrential FLOOD God was about to bring. Noah was told to bring aboard 7 pairs of every ritually clean animal, and 1 pair of every "unclean" animal. (ritually clean animals were Doves, pigeons, oxen, sheep, and some others I can't remember), Noah's wife, sons, and his sons' wives.

So, once God FLOODED Earth, and the FLOOD was all gone, God made a COVENANT with Noah never to FLOOD the earth again. This is signified by a rainbow, the crappiest of miracles.

So, translating this from Bible to Halo, we get:
So-and-so (person-A) was instructed by so-and-so (person-B) to create an Ark that could survive the Flood once the Halos were activated. A place that would lie in a dead zone where none of the Halos' blasts could reach (Earth). So, Person A creates an Ark that could survive the Flood, and once the Flood is go (all life is destroyed), Person-A and several other Person-A like individuals (Forerunners) could emerge and re-populate the galaxy.

Now, approx. 100,000 years ago, the Halos were last activated. Also approx 100,000 years ago, -blam!--Sapiens take the high rung on the Food Chain. So, if Person-A comes to the Ark (earth) with the other Forerunners (possibly humans) that would explain why Humans were able to survive the last Halo activation.

So, it is in my conclusion, that the Forerunners are Humans, and the Ark is, or is on Earth.

Stop me if I'm rambling.


I thought that was kewl find man! w00t 9.7/10...w00t

  • 08.23.2005 8:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: HaloSlayer1
THIS POST WAS BY Kasimoto on RvB.com's forums.

Posted by: Kasimoto on RvB

A guy in the Bungie forums found this out and i thought it was freakin awsome, so this might solve all those other topics about the humans and the Ark. All credits go to this guy:

S7NN3R

here is what he wrote

***SPOILERS****

Okay, I posted this on HBO, and IGN.com, and I think it may bear mentioning here.

Okay, this has been bugging me for a good long time. There are 7 Halos, each with a 25,000 light-year range of effect. I did research, and as it turns out, our galaxy, the Milky Way is 100,000 light-years in diameter.

Well, I took some pictures of our galaxy, and opened up a brand spankin' new MS paint doc.

I took an overhead view of the galaxy, and divided it into four sections, each approximately 25,000 light-years in width, illustrated with blue stripes. I then looked up Halo's diameter, and range of its weapon effect. (10,000km diameter, 25,000 light-year range of effect). So, that said, four Halos could be lined up horrizantaly, each at an interval of roughly 25,000 lightyears, and span the entire galaxy with thier effective ranges.

So, I tried to figure out where the Halos would go in order to cover the entire galaxy. I ended up putting one 2 on the 1/4 line going vertically, 3 on the 1/2 line, going vertically, with one close to the galactic center. I put the other two close to the 3/4 line, also vertically.

When they were in place, I noticed that there was one tiny spot not covered by a blast radius. I also found that I couldn't move one of the radii into place over there without giving up a very large section of the galaxy.

I took a different overhead view, this one showed the names of the spiral arms of this galaxy, and the part not covered was a small portion of the Perseus arm. To be more specific, it did not cover Sol System.

Now, this is pretty amazing in my opinion. The one place a Halo's blast could not reach without giving up a different, larger portion of the galaxy happened to be Sol System. This isn't because I love humans, or I wanted it to be like that (trust me, I don't). It is eerily odd.

This gives some pretty nice proof (in my eyes) that Earth IS the Ark spoken of in Halo 2. In biblical stories, Noah, commisioned by God, was told to build an Ark, so many cubits x so many cubits x so many cubits. What the hell is a cubit anyway. Nevermind, I digriss.

So, this Ark was the only palce on Earth to be able to be saved by the 40 day and night torrential FLOOD God was about to bring. Noah was told to bring aboard 7 pairs of every ritually clean animal, and 1 pair of every "unclean" animal. (ritually clean animals were Doves, pigeons, oxen, sheep, and some others I can't remember), Noah's wife, sons, and his sons' wives.

So, once God FLOODED Earth, and the FLOOD was all gone, God made a COVENANT with Noah never to FLOOD the earth again. This is signified by a rainbow, the crappiest of miracles.

So, translating this from Bible to Halo, we get:
So-and-so (person-A) was instructed by so-and-so (person-B) to create an Ark that could survive the Flood once the Halos were activated. A place that would lie in a dead zone where none of the Halos' blasts could reach (Earth). So, Person A creates an Ark that could survive the Flood, and once the Flood is go (all life is destroyed), Person-A and several other Person-A like individuals (Forerunners) could emerge and re-populate the galaxy.

Now, approx. 100,000 years ago, the Halos were last activated. Also approx 100,000 years ago, -blam!--Sapiens take the high rung on the Food Chain. So, if Person-A comes to the Ark (earth) with the other Forerunners (possibly humans) that would explain why Humans were able to survive the last Halo activation.

So, it is in my conclusion, that the Forerunners are Humans, and the Ark is, or is on Earth.

Stop me if I'm rambling.


I thought that was kewl find man! w00t 9.7/10...w00t





WHEN IT SAYS SOL SYSTEM IT MEANS OUR GALAXY, THE MILKY WAY, WHICH WAS THE ONLY SPOT OUT OF RANGE OF THE HALO'S BLAST ZONES.

  • 08.23.2005 8:34 AM PDT
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1. Did you have to use all caps? It isn't going to make people listen to you more...

2. Did you have to quote yourself? Simply putting all that in the same post could've been better...

  • 08.23.2005 9:05 AM PDT
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That was a great analogy, and it seems to make alot of sense!

  • 08.23.2005 9:29 AM PDT
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on the subject of the ark the ark is a machine buried on earth. it is a sanctuary from the halos. it is also a remote control for them. the prophet of regret had been looking fo it for quite some time. he finds it and goes there. when he gets there he notices that it is unusualy defended, even more so than reach was. he only brought only a few ships because he believed it was uninhabited. as he fights he learns that this is the humans home planet earth. the prophet of regret didnt know that the location of the ark was earth. otherwise he would have brought more ships. earth was found by accident not on purpose. now the forerunners are humans because when the halos were activated a few were sent there. all technology was lost so they made a fresh start. another theory maybe that the forerunners injected their genes in every lower being in the galaxy( creatures, at the time incapable of sustaining the flood.) and all these different species evolved. the first, the one i personally believe to be true ,fits the most. humans are decendants of the forerunners and the prophet of truth knows this all to well. he is power hungry. so when the covies first made contact with the humans in harvest he ordered that ship to destroy it. in the eyes of the covies were are heretics that must be wiped out. this is because the prophet of truth has decreed it. he knows that if we recover our heritage that he is screwed. even cortana says in first stike that we can win this war but all we need is time. i believe that in halo 3 all of this will be revealed. and maybe much more. these theories are in the hbo story section and most of them are from there. thanks for your time

  • 08.23.2005 1:38 PM PDT
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hmmm...has anyone noticed that the MC is a genetically reconstructed human yet? Or is it just me?

Since the release of H2, that little tid bit may be worthless now, but it bears asking, all the same.

EDIT: upon reading some of the halo background from Bungie, there's a few people asking the question "Could Miranda keyes be a Spartan". I don't know how involved you guys want to get here but if she is, in some way, genetically reconstruced to fit along with the MC, then the previous question does bear asking.

[Edited on 8/23/2005]

  • 08.23.2005 7:47 PM PDT
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What are you asking? I don't think it would make a difference whether the MC was geneticaly modified or not.

I highly doubt that miranda keyes is a spartan. For one, they probably would be on the front line, not captaining a ship, and second, the spartans were taken from their families without them knowing.

  • 08.23.2005 9:46 PM PDT
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idk - this keeps getting weirder and weirder.... Maybe the movie will flesh out the story some more...

  • 08.23.2005 11:10 PM PDT
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Well, I honestly don'y know. Mr. MA5B has good souporting arguments but HaloSlayer and his hole Ark thing is good to. MA5B and HaloSlayer1 are absolutly right, but, I have a question for HaloSlayer. Did you take into account that planets orbit, and Solar Systems do move, and sence halo takes place 500 years in the furure that our system and the planets that halo is orbiting have moved quite a bit?
Oh, well. let's gest leave it to halo 3 to give us the answer. :-)


[Edited on 8/24/2005]

  • 08.23.2005 11:52 PM PDT
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I don't think the forerunners hid inside the earth... It just doesn't seem right to me.... But lots of you guys have read the books and have a better idea about everything than me. I wish I had the books.... I'd love to read them...

  • 08.24.2005 10:50 AM PDT
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i got all three of mine for 5.bucks total at ebay even with shipping. and on the subject of miranda keys. in fall of reach you find out that the then 3rd leuitenant (sorry cant spell it) jacob keys helped doctor halsey(the creator of the spartan 2 program and the main kidnapper screen all 175 subjects(only 67 were chosen includin john117(the master chief) then later in the book it says that he found out to much about its true purpose and was reasigned. maybe this implies that he found out what was happening when his own daughter was selected for the program. please feel free to take pick at its weak spots.

  • 08.24.2005 6:28 PM PDT
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that's a stretch....but like I said, I wouldn't know...

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i doubt that miranda keyes is a Spartan. Every Spartan that survived the augmentation recieved Mjolnir armor, didnt they? Unless she somehow deserted or was really MIA, there is no way she could have been a Spartan.

  • 08.24.2005 10:08 PM PDT
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I'm saying that I doubt Guilty Spark took one look at MC's armor and said "Well, the boss has come home; time to get to work." We already have Biometric fingerprint scans for logging into PCs (even though they don't work worth a flip...imho). It's entirely possible the Forerunners, and the technology they left behind, would have a screening process equivalent to a CAT scan for controlling who was allowed to reach sensitive areas.

I'm thinking Guilty Spark would have "scanned" all "sentients" when mission priorities forced his activation to regain control of the flood. It strikes me as...odd that the MC, a genetically modified human, was the first/prime candidate for activating Halo.

I also doubt that Miranda Keyes is a Spartan, but due to her fathers involvement in the Spartan project, it's possible that some, shall we say, "black market tweeking" took place?

The beginning topic of this thread was "Are humans Forerunners".
Since the MC and Miranda keyes are the only humans to use Forerunner technology to its intended effect, maybe a better side line would be:

"How human are the MC and Miranda Keyes?"

[Edited on 8/25/2005]

  • 08.25.2005 3:40 AM PDT
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ahhhhhhhh my brain herts!

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if u read the book, it mentions another guy, Sergeant Marvin Mabuto, who Guilty Spark calls "the other reclaimer." MC finds Mabuto's body in the library, on his way to getting the Index. I'm also pretty sure that Jacob Keyes was not involved during the "tweaking" part of the Spartan program.

  • 08.25.2005 10:59 AM PDT
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i never said that. he was only involved in the selection process. and in the book it states that when all the spartans gathered before the battle of reach dr. halsey said that three of them were too far away in the front lines to be recalled. maybe miranda was one of them and got promoted

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I played through the level "Two Betrayals" again and really paid attention to what 343 Guilty Spark said to the Master Chief when he refused to activate Halo.

He asks: "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" That meaning the Master Chief has already activated Halo and that would explain his knowledge of the Covenant and Forerunner control panels. Also 343 GS says: "Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it?" Last time the MC activated Halo, he asked that question to 343 GS. Than 343 GS states: "My answer has not changed". That means he told the MC that he would activate Halo.

So all this leads me to believe that time travel comes into effect later in the storyline.

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hmm, i never thought about those 3 spartans. They never get mentioned throughout the rest of the books, so i forgot about them. A problem with your theory is that i doubt any of them would become naval officers and im pretty sure none of them would get promoted higher than MC.

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hmm, i never thought about those 3 spartans. They never get mentioned throughout the rest of the books, so i forgot about them. A problem with your theory is that i doubt any of them would become naval officers and im pretty sure none of them would get promoted higher than MC.

but you have to remember that she is the daughter of the hero of sigma octavious. and that at the begining of halo she receives her fathers honors and promotions shortly before the covenant begin atacking the orbital stations. so that may be it. but then again straping a bomb in the chiefs back is preety evil for someone who was family to the mc

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I played through the level "Two Betrayals" again and really paid attention to what 343 Guilty Spark said to the Master Chief when he refused to activate Halo.

He asks: "Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?" That meaning the Master Chief has already activated Halo and that would explain his knowledge of the Covenant and Forerunner control panels. Also 343 GS says: "Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it?" Last time the MC activated Halo, he asked that question to 343 GS. Than 343 GS states: "My answer has not changed". That means he told the MC that he would activate Halo.

So all this leads me to believe that time travel comes into effect later in the storyline.

if you read book number thee(fs) you shuld rember that dr.hasly says that (im not sure i rember) when she and the rest of the spartans are geting the crystal thay seam to seprate (blah blah blah) and when the pilot of the coive drop ship( i forgot her name but its a human )when dr.halsy gets on the shi with the crystal it chage shape( blah blah blah)she the speculates that for MC to be ther at the right time the crystal changed time so thay CAN be there at the right time and place so there is 5time travel invalved!

  • 08.25.2005 6:50 PM PDT
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Time travel sounds plausible...

I don't think Miranda Keyes is anything but human.

  • 08.25.2005 7:27 PM PDT

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