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Subject: Opening NAT for Dummies 2: Pimp Out Your Xbox Live for Halo Reach!

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  • 01.26.2011 1:13 PM PDT

I've followed EVERYTHING here, and I mean EVERYTHING and still can't get it to work! I have a Thomson-Alcatel SpeedTouch585 on O2. I have my ethenet plugged into a box which basically turns my PC and Xbox connections into one wire. I've had no problems for ages until yesterday and it then just gave me a bad NAT.

Help!

  • 01.27.2011 2:37 AM PDT

I have OPEN NAT! your awsome man!!

  • 01.27.2011 3:07 AM PDT

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Well, according to this guide, both my Xbox and PC have static IPs, and I just made sure about the port forwarding. Everything is there, and I still have a closed NAT.


Here's a question: If my wireless network is with my laptop instead of my PC, should I try configuring my laptop instead, even though the router and everything is connected to my PC? I'm kind of retarded when it comes to networking.

  • 01.27.2011 2:08 PM PDT

It doesn't make a difference to the XBox. You use the router's HTTP setup page from your laptop/PC/Mac ect. to set the parameters is all.

In MOST residential cases you want the DHCP set to AUTOMATIC in the router. That way you can use a Static IP setting without ticking off your ISP.

Make sure your XBox's (and other devices) "Default Gateway" and the DNSs are set to the router's address. If you Enable the Router's DHCP server and you can have both static and dynamic IPs on the same network.

You May have to change your laptops TPC/IP v4 settings to match the new router settings after your done.

  • 01.27.2011 3:55 PM PDT


Posted by: CactusSqueezins

Posted by: Twisted Raven
My xbox disconnected itself last night and told me to open port
3074, which i did. And now my NAT is open! :) (I hadn't bothered to sort it for a while)

My question is, would you recommend that i open the other ports you mentioned as well (80,88,53) or does it not really matter now that NAT is open (i.e. what do they do).


Thanks, great post


Port 80 is the HTTP client 'Listen' port, it's most likely all ready open.
Port 88 is a 'Talk' port for certain control processes, it is likely open as well.
Port 53 is used by the DNS server system and is also very likely open.

These are the same on the Mac.


Great thanks for everyones help, my NAT is now gaping wide open and i can actually hear more poeple in matchmaking now!

  • 01.28.2011 6:14 AM PDT
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Alright, I would appreciate this if it were added to the OP or at least made note of.

For those of you who don't get the desired results with either of the main methods highlighted, try this, it's far more simple and can improve your experience, not only with NAT, but also general connection speed.

In your Xbox or router settings locate your DNS settings.
These will, by default be set automatically by your ISP and in turn your router and will most likely be 192.168.2.1 or something similar.

From here, select this number and change it to manual, this allows you to input your own DNS server for use with your network, or just the xbox.

I would reommend either Google or Open DNS, for reasons of simplyfying this I will post the address for google.
Primary - 8.8.8.8
Secondary - 8.8.4.4

As long as you have the other features highlighted by the OP enabled, or a working UPNP feature in your router, you won't even need a static IP for it to work.

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  • 02.12.2011 3:09 AM PDT

Posted by: Da Master Chef
If you're using just a modem, whatever device is connected to it can accept connections from anything, just like DMZ. Not good for a computer, but would produce a open NAT for an xbox.
So you mean if I connect my ethernet cable to my router, port forward that router, I can still get open nat despite my modem only giving me moderate?

  • 02.12.2011 8:53 AM PDT


Posted by: EscFromJewYork
So you mean if I connect my ethernet cable to my router, port forward that router, I can still get open nat despite my modem only giving me moderate?


NAT ( Network Address Translation ) has nothing to do with your connection speed.

  • 02.13.2011 2:20 PM PDT

I never said it was.

  • 02.14.2011 3:24 PM PDT

yea i have no idea what im doing and mine has never been open and is always strict would love to get it to open

  • 02.16.2011 6:19 AM PDT
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  • 02.16.2011 7:49 AM PDT

thanks for this, my nat is usually open but sometimes it likes to close and wont open







click here for magic :)

  • 02.18.2011 6:51 PM PDT

I read over the first 10 pages and skimmed the rest, but didn't see this scenario mentioned (or have overlooked it)

Everything worked/is working perfectly, so I definitely appreciate the guide. I use my laptop as my home PC and I also take it to school to connect to their network. I believe by my having laptop's IP static caused connection issues on campus seeing as I was getting the generic "Cannot connect to site" error in the browser. I then went on to fix it by changing it back to "automatically find IP" in the TCP/IP settings and minutes later it worked. Then later I had to change it back to static IP for the Open NAT on Xbox Live.

So I may need some advice on this for anyone who may know, but I don't wish to keep changing the setting each time I go to campus, and have to change it back when I get home for the Open NAT on Xbox Live.

Is there a solution that would satisfy both? Such as finding a magic Static IP address that would be within range of values of my school's network as well as my personal one?

Hopefully this isn't too convoluted.

Thanks in advance



[Edited on 02.18.2011 9:01 PM PST]

  • 02.18.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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It's not convoluted, I know exactly what you're talking about but unfortunately I don't know the fix. Hopefully someone who does sees your post soon :)

  • 02.19.2011 6:23 AM PDT

It's possible, I have a laptop that must connect to a few networks, so it must use a dynamic IP. However, I use static IPs at home. Set your router to DHCP 'enabled' The router will than handle dynamic IPs. Set your static IP devices (XBox, local desktop computer, ect ) to the mid range of the Available addresses. This is usually 192.168.1.2 through 192.168.1.100; as most router's are default configured to 100 IPs. You can likely change that if you want/need to.

Set your static addresses to the mid range (around 192.168.1.50 or so) and the router will assign dynamic IPs as needed.

  • 02.19.2011 11:30 AM PDT

Great guide, but it needs corrections.

Corrections:

-Under certain circumstances UPnP should NOT be turned off.
--Why?
UPnP allows the Xbox 360 to open it's own ports to connect to Xbox Live. This option is the easiest method of an Open NAT for your Xbox.
UPnP will allow more than one Xbox 360 to connect to Xbox Live AT THE SAME TIME! with an Open NAT (must use the "test Xbox Live connection" on each Xbox one after the other so each Xbox selects a unique port after you enable UPnP. This step is only needed once.)
--Drawbacks
UPnP has a security flaw, in that almost ANY program can open it's own port. Including Viruses.

-Open/Closed Nat
An Open or Closed NAT will not affect media streaming in any way from your PC on your home network.
--Why?
NAT stands for Network Address Translation and is only used when a device in your home connects to a device over the internet through a NAT device (a firewall, router etc.)

-Static or Dynamic IP address.
Static IP addresses are only a good idea if you have ONE Xbox 360 in the house and you are using port forwarding. Static IP addresses need to be set up though the Router NOT the Xbox if you want to use more than one Xbox 360 in your house on Live. (Only one at a time)
--Why?
An alternate method for using more than one Xbox 360 in the house is to use port triggering for port 3074. This will only let one Xbox 360 at a time use the port and have an open NAT, but your router MUST assign the IP address to the Xbox 360 for this to work.



Subnet Mask- Scrambles your IP address from outsiders. False
The subnet mask is used to compare different IP addresses to allow them to talk together.
255.255.255.0 is most common. This tells us that the first 3 sections of an IP address must match in order for the devices to talk together. The last section can be ANYTHING from 1 - 254 as long as no other device already has it.



Default Gateway- The local IP address of your router.
The IP address your computer goes through to connect to the internet

DNS servers- These are pass codes from your internet service provider. There will most likely be two. The first is called "Preferred/Primary DNS server" and the second is also known as the "Alternate/Secondary DNS server." Please note there may only be one. In this case please make the Secondary DNS the same number as the primary."
False
The DNS is the Domain Name Server. This address is a computer that will tell you the IP address of a website you would like to visit. e.g. It tells your computer to connect to 72.14.213.147 when you type in Google.ca

The only Port you need for the Xbox Open NAT is 3074.
port 80 and 88 are used by more than just your Xbox 360. just make sure they aren't blocked by something, but you do NOT need to port forward them to something.



In short. How you set up is dependent on what you have on your network.
--One Xbox 360.
Easiest. Use UPnP
Easy. "Port Trigger" 3074 BEST CHOICE
Moderate.
-Set a static IP through the router to give your Xbox 360 the same address each time you turn it on. (preferred)
-Set the static IP through the settings in the Xbox 360 (If no other choice).
Forward port 3074 to the address you decided for your Xbox 360

--More than one Xbox 360. (Only one on at a time)
Easiest. UPnP
Easy. "Port Trigger" 3074 BEST CHOICE
Moderate/Stupid. Assign a Static IP through the Xbox 360 menu (same address for each Xbox 360) and forward port 3074 to that address. NOT A GOOD IDEA, IF MORE THAN ONE DEVICE HAS THE SAME ADDRESS WHEN THEY ARE TURNED ON, THEY WILL HAVE A NETWORK CONFLICT AND MAY NOT CONNECT TO THE NETWORK AT ALL

--More than one Xbox 360. (More than one at a time)
Easiest. UPnP BEST CHOICE
With UPnP Enabled, turn on all the Xbox 360s and test the Xbox Live connection though the Network settings page on your Xbox 360 so that each Xbox can figure out it's own unique port to use with your router.
Very Difficult UPnP.
Follow the easy part. Then sign in to your router or use a different network tool to find out what ports your Xbox 360s have opened. Enter these ports in port triggering. Or port forwarding if you set up Static IP addresses. Then disable UPnP.


For a time I will answer networking questions sent to me or posts on this page as long as traffic does not overflow.
Basic steps in Da Master Chef's posts will help you with each step.
Do not mix and match these methods or you WILL have problems.

  • 02.20.2011 5:08 PM PDT

Thanks for the replies Da Master Chef and CactusSqueezens. I may try that soon once I have some free time. When/if I do, I'll check back here to update you on how it goes.

  • 02.20.2011 9:12 PM PDT

To the Quicken:
UDP 3074 is the default port used by Xbox Live on the 360 console. Halo Reach or CoD.
The Xbox360 system will open unique ports if UPnP is enabled in your router when you go into network setup and test your Xbox Live connection.
e.g. My main Xbox360 opened port 3074 (udp) when I did the test on my UPnP enabled router.
My second Xbox360 opened port 32722 (udp) when I did the test afterward on my UPnP enabled router.

If the Xbox360 cannot open port 3074 on the router during the test, it will attempt to open alternative ports. Keep in mind that I have tried this a few different times, and the alternative port used by the second Xbox360 has always been different.

Port 53 is used with DNS requests. It is typically for browsing online content. Ports 53, 80 and 88 are outbound connections and do not need to be forwarded to your Xbox. In fact, these 3 ports should NOT be forwarded to the Xbox360 because other devices in your home will use these ports as well.
e.g. When you browse google, your computer will use port 53 to look up the address of google, and use port 80 to connect to it to show you the webpage.

  • 02.20.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Are you sure that this thread is for dummies?

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lol i doubt it

  • 02.20.2011 10:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
Are you sure that this thread is for dummies?

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i WOULD be a dummie if i said yes....

i just turn it off and on.....works for me....

  • 02.28.2011 4:50 PM PDT

I think that has sometihng to do with you conection not you NAT type

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  • 03.02.2011 11:48 AM PDT

No it doesn't. This is just tech information you could find anywhere. He should have just linked it.

  • 03.05.2011 7:13 PM PDT