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Posted by: Cypriss
Well guys lets keep trying, lets hope the thread makes it through the night.


Lets hope it gets a damn sticky.Even though that may never happen.

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will u plz shorten with a bunch of info on one post of what has been found out so far so i dont have to read a whole 9 pages plz

that would be appertiated :)

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http://www.kingarthursknights.com

Legendary Arthur

Name.
The name Arthur may be (and according to K. H. Jackson certainly is) a form of Artorius, a Roman gens name, but, according to J. D. Bruce, it is possibly of Celtic origin, coming from artos viros (bear man) - see
The Marriage of King Arthur and Guinevere.
Welsh arth gwyr (T. R. Davies). Bruce also suggests the possibility of a connection with Irish art (stone).

Life.
An outline of the hero's life is given by Geoffrey of Monmouth (twelfth century) in his Historia Regum Brittaniae - History of the Kings of Britain. Just how much of this life was Geoffrey's invention and how much was culled from traditional material is uncertain. He tells us that King Arthur was the son of Uther and defeated the barbarians in a dozen battles. Subsequently, he conquered a wide empire and eventually went to war with the Romans. He returned home on learning that his nephew Mordred had raised the standard of rebellion and taken Guinevere, the queen. After landing, his final battle took place.

The saga built up over the centuries and Celtic traditions of Arthur reached the Continent via Brittany. Malory's Le Morte D'Arthur would become what many considered the standard 'history' of Arthur. In this, we are told of Arthur's conception when Uther approached Igraine who was made, by Merlin's sorcery, to resemble her husband. The child was given to Ector to be raised in secret. After Uther's death there was no king ruling all England. Merlin had placed a sword in a stone, saying that whoever drew it out would be king. Arthur did so and Merlin had him crowned. This led to a rebellion be eleven rulers which Arthur put down. He married Guinevere whose father gave him the Round Table as a dowry; it became the place where his knights sat, to avoid quarrels over precedence. A magnificent reign followed, Arthur's court becoming the focus for many heroes. In the war against the Romans, Arthur defeated the Emperor Lucius and became emperor himself. However, his most illustrious knight, Lancelot, became enamoured of Guinevere. The Quest for the Holy Grial began and Lancelot's intrigue with the Queen came to light.

Lancelot fled and Guinevere was sentenced to death. Lancelot rescued her and took her to him realm. This led Arthur to crossing the channel and making war on his former knight. While away from Britain, he left Mordred in charge. Mordred rebelled and Arthur returned to quell him. This led to Arthur's last battle on Salisbury Plain, where he slew Mordred, but was himself gravely wounded. Arthur was then carried off in a barge, saying he was heading for the vale of Avalon. Some said he never died, but would one day return. However, his grave was supposedly discovered at Glastonbury in the reign of Henry II (1154-89).

© 1993, Illustrated Encyclopedia of Arthurian Legends - Claremont Books.

Historical Arthur

King Arthur is the figure at the heart of the Arthurian legends. He is said to be the son of Uther Pendragon and Igraine of Cornwall. Arthur is a near mythic figure in Celtic stories such as Culhwch and Olwen. In early Latin chronicles he is presented as a military leader, the dux bellorum. In later romance he is presented as a king and emperor.

One of the questions that has occupied those interested in King Arthur is whether or not he is a historical figure. The debate has
The Enthroned Arthur, from Lancelot du Lac (French, early fourteenth century)
raged since the Renaissance when Arthur's historicity was vigorously defended, partly because the Tudor monarchs traced their lineage to Arthur and used that connection as a justification for their reign. Modern scholarship has generally assumed that there was some actual person at the heart of the legends, though not of course a king with a band of knights in shining armor--though O.J. Padel in "The Nature of Arthur" argues that "historical attributes of just the kind that we find attached to Arthur can be associated with a figure who was not historical to start with."

If there is a historical basis to the character, it is clear that he would have gained fame as a warrior battling the Germanic invaders of the late fifth and early sixth centuries. Since there is no conclusive evidence for or against Arthur's historicity, the debate will continue. But what can not be denied is the influence of the figure of Arthur on literature, art, music, and society from the Middle Ages to the present. Though there have been numerous historical novels that try to put Arthur into a sixth-century setting, it is the legendary figure of the late Middle Ages who has most captured the imagination.

It is such a figure, the designer of an order of the best knights in the world, that figures in the major versions of the legend from Malory to Tennyson to T. H. White. Central to the myth is the downfall of Arthur's kingdom. It is undermined in the chronicle tradition by the treachery of Mordred. In the romance tradition that treachery is made possible because of the love of Lancelot and Guinevere.

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Knights of the Round Table

Everyone has heard of the Knights of the Round Table, but many people are not familiar with any of the Noble Knights save for Lancelot. But even Lancelot, however, is to many people something he was not. The Knights were men of courage, honor, dignity, courtesy, and nobleness. They protected ladies and damsels, honored and fought for kings, and undertook dangerous quests. Browse through the navigation above and get to know the major Knights of the Round Table.

Charge Given to the Knights by King Arthur
God make you a good man and fail not of beauty. The Round Table was founded in patience, humility, and meekness.Thou art never to do outrageousity, nor murder, and always to flee treason, by no means to be cruel, and always to do ladies, damosels, and gentle women succour. Also, to take no battles in a wrongful quarrel for no law nor for no world's goods.

Thous shouldst be for all ladies and fight for their quarrels, and ever be courteous and never refuse mercy to him that asketh mercy, for a knight that is courteous and kind and gentle has favor in every place. Thou shouldst never hold a lady or gentle woman against her will.

Thou must keep thy word to all and not be feeble of good believeth and faith. Right must be defended against might and distress must be protected. Thou must know good from evil and the vain glory of the world, because great pride and bobauce maketh great sorrow. Should anyone require ye of any quest so that it is not to thy shame, thou shouldst fulfil the desire.

Ever it is a worshipful knights deed to help another worshipful knight when he seeth him a great danger, for ever a worshipful man should loath to see a worshipful man shamed, for it is only he that is of no worship and who faireth with cowardice that shall never show gentelness or no manner of goodness where he seeth a man in any danger, but always a good man will do another man as he would have done to himself.

It should never be said that a small brother has injured or slain another brother. Thou shouldst not fail in these things: charity, abstinence and truth. No knight shall win worship but if he be of worship himself and of good living and that loveth God and dreadeth God then else he geteth no worship here be ever so hardly.

An envious knight shall never win worship for and envious man wants to win worship he shall be dishonoured twice therefore without any, and for this cause all men of worship hate an envious man and will show him no favour.

Do not, nor slay not, anything that will in any way dishonour the fair name of Christian knighthood for only by stainless and honourable lives and not by prowess and courage shall the final goal be reached. Therefore be a good knight and so I pray to God so ye may be, and if ye be of prowess and of worthiness then ye shall be a Knight of the Table Round.


The Emblem of the Knights
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The emblem of the Knights of the Round Table worn round the necks of all the Knights was given to them by King Arthur as part of the ceremony of their being made a knight.

The Order's dominant idea was the love of God, men, and noble deeds.

The cross in the emblem was to remind them that they were to live pure and stainless lives, to stive after perfection and thus attain the Holy Grail. The Red Dragon of King Arthur represented their allegiance to the King. The Round Table was illustrative of the Eternity of God, the equality, unity, and comradeship of the Order, and singleness of purpose of all the Knights.


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Posted by: x6ax
will u plz shorten with a bunch of info on one post of what has been found out so far so i dont have to read a whole 9 pages plz

that would be appertiated :)


That might take while.Plus reading all of it is half the fun the other is posting it finding it linking it to Halo 2 and Halo and talking about it. :)

[Edited on 8/5/2004 8:09:23 PM]

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Anyone else find anything? Or have we pretty much ran out of info and break throughs.If so then I guess its back to the drawing board.So anybody still alive out there.If not I guess this whole damn post has dide.Its sad really.

[Edited on 8/5/2004 8:51:06 PM]

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You guys need to read through this page because you're touching on
things that are in Bungie's past games.
http://marathon.bungie.org/story

Arthurian Myth ties in with Halo (and Marathon) a little more.

Ogier the Dane was the man who used the sword Cortana. (he was
also 7 feet tall like the MC) The story ends with a jealous fairy
by the name of Morgana taking Ogier to secret place where he is kept. Morgana (aka Morgan le Fay) is the same character from the tales of
King Arthur.

Some stories say that Arthur never died, but was taken by Morgana
to a secret place where he would heal his wounds. Legend has it that
Ogier waits with King Arthur to reclaim Arthur's rightful place as King.

Here's a snippet from Marathon.

"Well, there was this knife, more aptly described as a broadsword,
and I see, well, I was swinging down the street on my way to a movie
and this guy, yeah. He was about six foot eight and huge. He was
holding this knife, only to me, I would describe it as a broadsword,
something from the Knights of the Round.

-where are monsters in dreams

To me the knife represents Cortana, because I read somewhere that
Cortana is a word for "short blade" (if you read further there is mention
that the knife has two sides, so this may be insight into Cortana's
Character, assuming the knife represents her of course) Also, the
6 foot 8 guy may symbolize the Chief because of his similar height
and the fact that he carries a knife. (Cortana) Finally the comment
about the Knights of the Round may be a hint to the tale I wrote
about earlier in this post.

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Posted by: eMCee
You guys need to read through this page because you're touching on
things that are in Bungie's past games.
http://marathon.bungie.org/story

Arthurian Myth ties in with Halo (and Marathon) a little more.

Ogier the Dane was the man who used the sword Cortana. (he was
also 7 feet tall like the MC) The story ends with a jealous fairy
by the name of Morgana taking Ogier to secret place where he is kept. Morgana (aka Morgan le Fay) is the same character from the tales of
King Arthur.

Some stories say that Arthur never died, but was taken by Morgana
to a secret place where he would heal his wounds. Legend has it that
Ogier waits with King Arthur to reclaim Arthur's rightful place as King.

Here's a snippet from Marathon.

"Well, there was this knife, more aptly described as a broadsword,
and I see, well, I was swinging down the street on my way to a movie
and this guy, yeah. He was about six foot eight and huge. He was
holding this knife, only to me, I would describe it as a broadsword,
something from the Knights of the Round.

-where are monsters in dreams

To me the knife represents Cortana, because I read somewhere that
Cortana is a word for "short blade" (if you read further there is mention
that the knife has two sides, so this may be insight into Cortana's
Character, assuming the knife represents her of course) Also, the
6 foot 8 guy may symbolize the Chief because of his similar height
and the fact that he carries a knife. (Cortana) Finally the comment
about the Knights of the Round may be a hint to the tale I wrote
about earlier in this post.


cool.

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redvsblusniper, i appluad u, u stayed with this thread the whole day, and had info all the way, good job. btw i really hope this thing gets stickied cuz damn we got a lot of good stuff, props 2 the main people in this thread........Cypriss, RedvsBluSniper, Exomniac, Paranoid_Gnome, Focused7, and i hope i contributed my fair share as well.....good job guys we had some great finds mods pleeeeeeeeeeeez sticky this

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Posted by: SeventhShadow
redvsblusniper, i appluad u, u stayed with this thread the whole day, and had info all the way, good job. btw i really hope this thing gets stickied cuz damn we got a lot of good stuff, props 2 the main people in this thread........Cypriss, RedvsBluSniper, Exomniac, Paranoid_Gnome, Focused7, and i hope i contributed my fair share as well.....good job guys we had some great finds mods pleeeeeeeeeeeez sticky this


Thank you very much.And behalf of the others that arnt here right now i will say thank you for them.But yes their has been alot of good info even if we havent gotten any where.And hopefully some damn lazy mod just might sticky this hopefully.But i could just be wasteing my breathe.But good job everyone jood job and lets hope this topic never dies.

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Well I guess its on to page 10.Maybe.Just sticky this you lazy mods.For heavens sakes weve done everything by the rules.We even got to 9 pages.What more do you want from us?

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Wait im confident will now be on page 10.

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Damn.Ok this time for sure will be on page 10.

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Ok come on now its time for page 10.lets hope will be there now.

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Damnit now im getting annoyed.Come on page 10.

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I demand to see page 10 at this very instance.

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page 10

page 10

page 10

page 10

page 10

page 10

  • 08.05.2004 9:57 PM PDT
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Damn you topic.I want to see page 10.Besides your old news now.10 is hip 10 is now.Your last year now baby.Sorry 9 buts thats the brakes.Welcome to bungie forums.Only the strongest survive.Can you dig it.

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Ok im quite confident will be at page 10 now.So ready or not here we go.Show me 10.

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Okay guys. I'm back after a sleep session. This is an index of all of my finds...
(This post is long, but worth the read)

You can find the text "Arachne hung herself, you know. Take a hint already. God my head hurts." on I love bees.

I looked up Arachne.

Arachne, or Arakhne was a woman from Greek mythology. She was a fine weaver who began claiming that her skill was greater than Athena's, the goddess of weaving (among other responsibilities).

Athena was angered, but gave Arachne a chance to redeem herself. Assuming the form of an old woman, she warned Arachne not to offend the gods. Arachne scoffed and wished for a weaving contest, so she could prove her skill. Athena dropped her disguise and the contest began.

Athena wove the scene of her victory over Poseidon that inspired the people of Athens to name their city for her. Arachne's tapestry featured Zeus: Zeus being unfaithful with Leda, Zeus being unfaithful with Europa, Zeus being unfaithful with Danae.

Even Athena admitted that Arachne's work was flawless, but was outraged at Arachne's disrespectful choice of subjects. Finally losing her temper, Athena destroyed her tapestry and loom, and struck Arachne on the head. Arachne realized her folly and was crushed with shame. She ran off and hanged herself.

Athena took pity on Arachne. Sprinkling her with the juices of aconite, Athena resurrected her as a spider.

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More text from ILB...
'Melissa,' he called me Melissa, never / used my nickname"

In Greek mythology, Melissa is the "bee"-nymph, daughter of King Melisseus ("bee-man"), nursed Zeus when he was an infant, feeding him goat's milk. She later taught humans the use of honey, which could be fermented to form an intoxicating entheogen.

The word entheogen is a modern term derived from two Ancient Greek words, ενθεος (entheos) and γενεσθαι (genesthai). Entheos means literally "in God", more freely translated "inspired". The Greeks used it as a term of praise for poets and other artists. Genesthai means "to cause to be". So an entheogen is "that which causes (a person) to be in God".

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"The Spider crawling over me with her thin hairy legs and every few instants she sticks a needle into some synapse and stuff spews out of me"

Synapses are circuits in which the neurons of the central nervous system interconnect. They are thus crucial to the biological computations that underlie perception and thought. They also provide the means through which the nervous system connects to and controls the other systems of the body.

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Ok 9 i love you and everything but thats life.I mean you live a little and then you die so unforutuantly its time to Rip.Sorry 9 but i will always remember the good times we spent together.Till next time take care.

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9 your really being a jerk now.Your time is done now its time for 10 to take the stage i know retirement is hard at first.But look at 1-8 they did it and their fine.and now so can you.so please let us have some time with 10 ok.

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9 your really pissing me off dont make me do something im gonna regret cause you want like it trust me.

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9 didnt we have this discussion not to long ago.I love you to but you have to learn to share its 10's turn now ok.so come on already share with the other posts.ok

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Damnit dont make a mod come in here because thats the last thing we neeed.And plus its embarrassing especially when they bore you to death with their lame speeches.so lets have page 10 already.

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9 do you just like everyone to look like a fool because ive already stated will be seing a new page already but we always seem to stick with you.Why is that 9.

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