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Mr.B if ur online now still come to my game in halo server name is HeRo pass is B

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  • 08.26.2005 7:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Idryll
If one person demands powers over servers, then you can damn well expect floods of requests for the same thing. And besides, you're not an official employee of the company. There's no way to say if you can be trusted. Give me a chance you say? That's what everyone else will say if this type of thing goes ahead. Personally I think that will just make the situation worse for Bungie's reputation.

And if you don't like it...no one is forcing you to stick around.


Sorry, Mr. B. I know you're a decent member of the forum and all, but I doubt if this'll work. Like mentioned, bungie doesn't know a thing about you except what YOU give them online. And online isn't exactly a place to look for if you're searching for truth. For all they know, you could be one of those TKers themselves.

And, of course, the bandwagon. If bungie gives you exclusive admin power over their server, many other people will ask for the same. (Argument: "What makes ME different from HIM, anyways? I can do it!") More work for them.

Besides, you could just leave the EU-Bungie server and head for a different place. It doesn't need to be a bungie server to be a good game.

  • 08.26.2005 7:24 AM PDT
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me15ter YAY AM STILL THE WEIRDEST PERSON EVER IN UR SIG :D, ok then mr.b maybe we could play a lil game later and talk about this to

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  • 08.26.2005 7:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr B
Sorry HeRo6061, but I have to setup someones PC tonight, and got a lot of stuff on tomorrow, so I doubt I'll get to play halo much, if any.

Monday is a bank holiday though....


i go on holiday tomoz for 1 week

  • 08.26.2005 7:59 AM PDT
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Yo people,

Im back, (ME)=KING, ah yes, this person is a true prat. I have encountered this person many times, and he does use the server IP to join now and then. I just the mick out of him and his mum, so he would leave, but i just left. Good to be back.

Spartan 012.

  • 08.26.2005 8:18 AM PDT
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Here are the culprits. i have been monitoring them for a while and making vids. They always occupy the EU servers like Mr.B was saying, anyway here they are:

ME=(KING)
SARUMANATOR
Punj Wen Ya
Judge
Noobestoob
CPE2531TKS
(-'-)
Yoda[IRL]
Smokie[IRL]
Don't Shoot

There are a couple more, I will check my recs and will add accordingly.

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  • 08.26.2005 8:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr B
me15ter, usually you read all the posts. Do so and you will see thats not what Im after, I merely offered it. As the last solution I hope you note.

I also offered to give my details. Even if this means emailling a pic of my passport, I aint bothered.

But I say again, I would much prefer the first method. Im not after a power trip, Im after some decent gaming. And its easier for *EVERYONE*.

Bit dissapointed by your post me15ter, you usually read all of it and post sensibly.


I read all the posts, as usual. Like I said, for all they know, you could be a TKer yourself. To them, you could be a TKer who has the time to write out multiple emails and report random people to ban them from the server. How would they know who you are? And how could they ban someone from the report of only one person?

I know you likely had Bungie's XBL service in mind, with their current system of banning in place. Why not apply that to the PC system?

Simple reason. It ain't free. XBL is a subscription service, hence, Bungie has the time/resources to review players and ban them accordingly. But with free PC play, and since players have the ability to simply leave the game WITHOUT suffering any sort of loss of rank...that's why they aren't going to ban people. In H2, banning is in place because if you quit a match, it affects your rank. In H2, people pay good money for service, and they expect to get SOMETHING out of those twenty dollars a month.

Everything, even passports can be forged and not real. Besides, you could've borrowed someone else's passport, for all they know. They're likely not going to give you full administrative power. Not only do they need to see true identification, but they need to see what type of player you are. Are you a truly nonjudgemental soul? Or are you putting up a good face simply to get power (I trust that you're not, but to make my point...)?

  • 08.26.2005 11:53 AM PDT
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Go to my clan website that's in my sig. Go to the links page and go to the link with the montage download. You will see footage of a tker on the US Bungie-ctf server. It's not just the EU servers that have the teamkillers, ALL of the bungie-ctf servers have teamkillers at certain times. If you want, i can put up the actual unedited footage (about 6 minutes long) of the teamkiller, which shows him quitting and coming back to avoid the auto-ban penalty.

Sometimes they do more than teamkill; they can steal flags to either take credit for the capture or take the flag back to the enemy. This gets everyone annoyed, and those who have no self-control over their actions tend to "fight back". Basically, teamkilling is an epidemic sometimes. One teamkiller can get a whole team fighting against themselves. There is no game at that point.

If bungie (or gearbox or Microsoft, whoever is in charge) cares enough to make one more patch, please include a vote-kick system. Give us some power to get rid of these problematic players. Let us be able to take care of it so you don't have to.

  • 08.26.2005 5:06 PM PDT
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Hm...Before I begin, I'd like to say that I prefer my conversations sane. So far, I know Mr. B and I are debaters and not flamers, and I'd prefer it if everyone keeps it that way. As for Mr B,...please! I know you'e capable of reasoning and arguing, not flaming! This thread is quickly becoming a flame war...

Posted by: Mr B
Well, you obviously didnt understand the posts then.


I understood each post quite clearly, I believe.

Posted by: Mr B
My prefferred method of solving this, means that we submit reports of Time, Name, And action of the offending player.

With this information, whoever is dealing with it looks at the server log.

With the name and time, this person can easily find the bit they want. Now, in a log it details things. Its going to be blatently obvious if someone is acting up on one of those logs. If you dont beleive me I suggest you go and look at one of those logs.

I cannot alter these logs. Neither can anyone else. This is the reason its my prefferred method of dealing with these people.


I know about this, but my question is, who's going to do it? I'm pretty sure they aren't going to allocate precious employees (Bungie is more like Moneysoft than you may think) to preserve the integrity of a FREE online gaming service and a free online server. In other words, if its free, you either take it as it is or don't use their server at all.

Posted by: Mr B
Now me15ter, if you have a better way, Id like to hear it. And if you still dont understand what I explained, then i dont know what to do.


I don't have a better way. TBH, I just don't think there's a point in pursuing this. See the above reasons.

Posted by: Mr B
As for me being an admin, I suggested that last, and only as a final option. You seem to have gone to town on that. I realise more so than you how unlikely it is I (or anyone else) is made an admin, and the problems involved. However its one possible solution so im not going to leave it out.


"Realise more so than you..."? Let's please try not to turn this into a flame war. I know you're a better person than this! Snap out of it and let's debate, not flame!

One possible solution, but I personally believe that its so far out there that Bungie's not going to consider it even as a last resort; putting unknown volunteers at the controls.


Posted by: Mr B
So quit being part of the problem and start helping if possible. Sorry if that seems harsh, but Im tired and have little patience at the moment.


Like I said before, I know you're capable of debating and reasoning. That's a blatant flame. Besides, perhaps you should take a break and rest if you're a bit tired...


Posted by: Mr B
Oh yes, as for your blather about H2 and how they pay for it. I suggest you DO go back and read all the posts.


Blather? I was making an argument, not spewing out nonesnse.


Posted by: Mr B
I stated that I can always play on my old clanserver, which is still running. However, i dont think these people should be allowed to ruin games. Do you?


In my opinion, I couldn't care less if they ruined the game. I would just quit and move on to the next game. There are plenty of servers around, if one happens to have a rotten apple in it, then I'd just switch to the next game.

Posted by: Mr B
Its more of a question that microsoft (who run and therefore probably pay for them) is having its money wasted by these few ruining the servers for others. I wonder if you agree with that? I dont like lying down and letting people like that get away with it.


Like I said, I couldn't care less, and I doubt if Moneysoft cares either. It doesn't have to be a Bungie server to be a good game. Besides, why are you so concerned if M$ is losing money? Not your money, is it?

Posted by: Mr B
The main thing is, its so easy for this thing to work, it would take so little time and effort.

Its nothing like changing code for Halo2, or making changes to things. theres probably about 10 at most hardcore people messing it up for others.


Actually, it requires a group of people to monitor their email boxes for feedback about players. Besides, like you mentioned, they'd have to (1) sift through all the people who joined the server to (2) find exactly who the feedback is referring to, then (3) check up their stats from multiple games and finally ban them. They'd also need to set up a system for doing all of this.

You'd also need multiple players who are truly ticked off enough to (1) recall the player's exact name and (2) exactly when the player was on the server, (3) know exactly which server they were on, and (4) be coherent enough to write all this down in a email and fire it off to the servermasters.

All in all, my point is, though they may be a pain in the 455 to play with, they will always be there. No system is perfect, no system is failsafe, and you can't really do anything about it but learn to live with them.

  • 08.26.2005 7:41 PM PDT
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On second thought, I think Mr. B and I should simply drop the argument from here. We've both made our points, and it looks like neither of us are going to convince the other.

Even my most strongest arguments won't sway you, and your strongest arguments won't sway me. So let's leave it at that, then, shall we? Besides, if this goes on, the best thing that'll happen will be a flame war.

  • 08.26.2005 7:44 PM PDT
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ughhhh, I'm tired so I won't make a long post, but I think we're all taking this a bit too seriously. I can understand that you value the EU-Bungie servers and don't want them to be tarnished with a reputation of TK-ers and other jerkwads. However if MS, or even Bungie decides not to listen to your plea then by all means it's their option, the servers they provide online are a privelage . Not, I repeat, not, a means of something that are required from then as a "service" to the community, they are simply providing a series of games which they run to have large, mostly lag-free games that the Halo PC community can game in.

At the very least they run the servers, I know you'll say if they run them then they have the right to administrate them and keep them clean and fun. However time is money and by the slight chance that someone from MS or Bungie reads this then they are not going to implement this, because someone somewhere will have to do it and MS or Bungie is NOT making any more investments in this aging game, aside from the hotfixes there will be no more additions to online service, or the game itself, not even a sec. of their time is worth doing this.

I know I'm being very negative, but you have to understand it from their point of view, you're a dedicated gamer, but you're requesting an action for a game that's more than 5 years old, they don't care any more about Halo PC, the servers that run the EU-Bungies are probably cordoned off in some dusty old basement, behind a door which says "beware of the webmaster". If u get what i'm saying.

There are plenty of other good servers out there in Halo PC, the server list still explodes with hundreds of good servers at any hour. So find another good one, or maybe two, or even make your own Dedicated server that you can be the boss of, and create a good gaming experience for yourself, the EU servers aren't worth fighting for, trust me, if you make the server, people will come...trust me.

  • 08.26.2005 8:58 PM PDT
Subject: Admins please. i spotted!!!
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hello this an urgent message regarding ME=KING. At 7:02pm GMT 10:00 ip address
207.68.189.93:2306 BUNGIE-6 ctf i saw betraying several gize on my team, im saying what the hell,hoo does this guy think he is. I recalled back searching through the forums of ur thread so i idmediately came here to notify u.

I WANT THIS guy BANNED hes ruining eveyrthing for me and my friends
i also like to bacome one of ur official watchers and modertors of ur bungie servers
im named [M2K]dEAGLE

  • 08.27.2005 2:15 AM PDT
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Sorry to hear that Mr B. I know how you feel when it comes to TKers. they're a royal pain. But I want to jump back (and i mean way back to something that was pointed out in the early sessions of this post:

Did you ever contact Gamespy about your proposal?

Not a burn, mate; honest question and I may have just missed the answer in this already long thread. But, for the moment, let assume you haven't.I know the thoughts running through your head even as you contemplate: sure i can contact Gamespy. then they'll tell me it's a Microsoft issue. So i run around the bowels on Moenysoft until i get an offical answer...which is, it's a Bungie issue. Am I partly right?

I'm not saying you should roll over. But...ah...cut and paste this everywhere. Eventually, if you bump this thread in all three relevant forums (Bungie, Microsoft, and gamespy) someone might take you seriously. At least, they might take your intentions seriously.

A side note: I'd like to see this discussion continue. What i don't wnat to see is defeatist attitudes and flame text. Try not to get mad at others opinions (and you all know who I'm talking to) and approach this as two allies with different views. Believe it, there's nothing anyone would like more than to see these jerks get kicked once and for all.

Personally, I'd like to see some non-Bungie/Microsoft/Gamespy people get admin status on the servers. Full admin status. Under proviso:

1. there names are listed in the Maw under a sticky including email address.

2. they are either voted on by members of the Maw or appointed by an impartial (possibly a forum admin).

3. obviously, they must be monitored themselves. Select one person from the group and remove his authority to ban. he, instead, is given the authority to oversee these (for lack of a better term) "marshals" in the completion of their duties.

Instead of swamping a Bungie amind with calls for a ban, we can email the marshals and let them handle it. Instead of annoying Goweb when one of them gets powermad, we contact that overseer and allow him to review the case.

A lot of this has been hinted before, but this is my view on a possible solution. i doubt it will stick, but...

  • 08.27.2005 4:32 AM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

Mr. B,

Sadly your pleas are falling on deaf ears, even though Bungie hosts a forum for Halo PC, they really can’t do much for Halo PC. The Maw forum is more for grass roots technical help and a place for Halo PC fans to get together and chat. I can totally see where you are coming from in your post and you have every right to complain, but Bungie isn’t the place. To get something truly done you’re going to have to take this up to Gearbox, since they are the ones that actually put together Halo PC. If they give you another run around or try to direct you to Bungie, contact me and I will try and talk to our Community Manger and see what he can do for you.

As for your pleas about your thread being moved, well this is the proper forum for Halo PC discussion. It is a Moderators job to keep forums on topic and peaceful. We’re sorry we’re not always in this forum, but the Maw is a fairly quiet and passive forum that hardly ever gets out of hand. Thus we don’t constantly check for spam attacks and I know I rely more on the Maw regulars to contact me about bad users/threads because I know jack about Halo PC, so I couldn’t tell if something was off topic or if someone was asking for help. It’s not that we hate the Maw, but a lot of us aren’t super skilled with Halo PC help, thus we’d only cause more problems, so we tend to keep our mouths closed. And since Bungie can’t actually provide technical support for Halo PC, they really can’t offer very much help either.

  • 08.27.2005 7:24 AM PDT
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Mr. B, I'll be looking into ways to contact Gearbox (sorry, that was who I meant in the first place, not gamespy; beat me with a stinky fish) and hope you continue to as well. instead of PMs though, I suggest a joint session over this thread as we work together in a paired effort to both contact the ones in charge, and bring awareness to the situation.

  • 08.27.2005 8:04 AM PDT
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I just want some answers:

who is in charge of the bungie-ctf and eu-bungie-ctf servers? Like, which of the three musketeers actually has the servers running (bungie, microsoft, gearbox)? Are they just run from some nerd's basement? Is there anything we can do to fight the teamkilling problem on these servers?

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  • 08.27.2005 12:37 PM PDT
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Charming folks in the Gearbox forum. The run of the mill are all CE addicts, so a PC problem is of no concern for them. But i'll drive the message home (even if I have to use a number three wedge to do it...).

The initial, knee jerk reaction from the communtiy is "not our problem; blame the TKers and gripe to Bungie"

Surprise, surpirse...

I do believe i struck a nerve over there too (probably because it was my intention to come off a little rude; nothing like a flamer to get the forum warm). It got the reaction I desired though, and the initial notice is better than expected...but no admins yet. Way too early.

I can see your distaste for the subject already. I have a question though; have you yet recieved an official line from any source (Bungie, Gearbox, or Microsoft) in regards to the maintaining of the Bungie servers that has been saved to hard copy or drive? Such information is invaluable to these opening phases.

  • 08.29.2005 5:27 AM PDT

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