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Subject: Wondering about the karma system
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Maybe l'm missing something, but why would you want to get karma points just to give it to other people?

  • 08.31.2005 7:06 PM PDT

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yeah i think you miss the point. By getting points from other people you gain respect on the site, and you can distribute them to people who deserve them. Like, say you have a lot of points, and someone like......Halifax makes a great post. He is a great member of the community, and deserves respect, am i right? So you give him a +1 Cool.

  • 08.31.2005 7:08 PM PDT
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But if l give him one of MY karma points, won't l have less and look less respected?

  • 08.31.2005 7:10 PM PDT
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No.
That's not how it works.

  • 08.31.2005 7:15 PM PDT
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Would you mind telling me how it works? l'm REALLY sorry guys. l just don't understand this.

  • 08.31.2005 7:17 PM PDT

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Ok, ill try my best to explain it.

Let's say your Karma level is at 0(default for a new member). You go into a forum, and someone needs help with something. You give them the perfect solution, and they give you a +4 Cool.

Now, let's look at your Karma gauge. The bar is empty. When it gets full, you move up one rank. Every time you get a positive point, it goes up, and it goes down for negative. How much is determined by your current rank, and how much you were Given. In a way, its similar to Halo 2's ranking system. When you're a level 1, and you own in a slayer game with 37-0, youll probably go up at least 2 ranks. But if you were a level 30, you wouldnt rank up at all. Your bar would fill up partly, but not all the way.

Giving points doesnt lower your rank. Rank only changes when you receive points, either good or bad.

Do you get it now?

I know it seems really confusing and too complicated to use, but once you get used to it, its really easy. if you can, sign up for an RvB account. The link is in my sig.

[Edited on 8/31/2005]

  • 08.31.2005 7:25 PM PDT

I don't know, there's really no replacement for the good ol' fashioned actual respect and karma modifiers. Those being, the ones you create in your own head and give the members who you admire, at no mana cost. As an added bonus, they give a 50% chance to give you a 75% increase in intellect for five minutes and increase all other stats by 2 for four minutes.

Alright, joking aside I meant what I said above, actual respect should count for something. Having a little number or name next to your profile because you have a lot of people put a little +1 bonus to your name would be nice. However, I can see this being abused if normal members are able to award karma to people who are in all actuality, not deserving of an increase. For example, lets say Billy Bob goes into Zanzibar and screams out "HALO 2 ROCKS YOU MUTHA *expletive*s", and Joe Dan agrees with him and gives him +1 karma. Before you know it, Billy Bob is "EXALTED UBER MEMBER OF DEATH" and people just keep adding more and more karma (since this guy must be cool, he is an EXALTED MEMBER OF DEATH). As an added debuff (Ok I'll shut up with the WoW lingo, alright?) you end up with people trying to be just like that jackass, becasue he's got a lot of karma points.

I just think it's silly if Bungie gave power to the mob. Leave karma buffs... I mean... (well you get the idea) to people like the mods.

  • 08.31.2005 7:28 PM PDT

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That would be when someone reports him to a mod, who then takes his points away, puts him at -1, and bans him for a week, as well as warning the other offenders.

People should be able to report karma abuse to the mods, who could have the power to revoke their priveliges.

[Edited on 8/31/2005]

  • 08.31.2005 7:33 PM PDT
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Thank you alot, Nedus, l think l understand.

But answer me a few more questions.
Did you say that we would only be able to give out a certain number of karma points per day? And you said the default for a new member is 0 karma... do you think if we got a karma system that everyone would start with 0? We're not exactly new.

  • 08.31.2005 7:33 PM PDT
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Wow Nedus, you edit your posts a lot.

I like the idea of mods giving out the starting points. And them having infinite to give. They are the oldest and best members of the communitey(at least bungie thinks so), so they should have the right to give out lots of Karma, as they have a lot of experience in dealing with who has quality posts.

So basically, I like Ghandi's idea.

  • 08.31.2005 7:36 PM PDT

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its no prob. just helpin out a fellow member =).

As for your other questions, yes, the default would probably be zero. You ask the same question i did when i started this thread. I think these questions are more fit for Achronos or sketch, or whoever has the power to decide how this system would be implemented.

EDIT: Yes Kilroy, i do edit them a lot. It's better than posting 20 times right?.

[Edited on 8/31/2005]

  • 08.31.2005 7:36 PM PDT
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Not necessarily. someone may read your post, then they would reply, and not realize you added more. They would just go down further in the thread, to continue reading the conversation.

  • 08.31.2005 7:40 PM PDT

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touche. I just dont like to double post.

  • 08.31.2005 7:42 PM PDT
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Another comment about the Karma system. What about Sir_brilliant and Mr. clark? All of their fans are gonna spam their karma with +1s. That sucks for the rest of us.

  • 08.31.2005 7:46 PM PDT

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ahh very good point.

Well, can you really say they dont deserve it?

  • 08.31.2005 7:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ghandi 2
The simplest and best solution would be that the mods have unlimited positive and negative Karma points to give out as they see fit. Or if the mods have a limited amount for some reason, then the Master Ninjas would have unlimited points. Then once somebody reaches a certain level they can give out their own Karma points (a limited amount obviously, such as one per day). After a while, there would be many members who can give out their own points, but none of these members would be spammers or people who do not deserve the ability to give out points. This also insures that a duplicate accounts would not be able to give out points.

Exactly, thats what i've been saying for awhile now. Glad to see someone else had the idea too.

-3 Flame-bite

*Edit*
Damn it!

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  • 08.31.2005 7:51 PM PDT
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You know some people will get it as don't deserve it.

Example: IF Twitch666 was still around... do you honestly think that he wouldn't be modded way up the instant one of the "Flood Family" got point powers?

  • 08.31.2005 7:51 PM PDT
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They deserve good karma, but not any more than say, me. I write a fanfic. I'm a more active member on the regular forums than both, I just don't have anywhere near as many fans.

  • 08.31.2005 7:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Texas Ben
You know some people will get it as don't deserve it.

Example: IF Twitch666 was still around... do you honestly think that he wouldn't be modded way up the instant one of the "Flood Family" got point powers?


Who's the Flood Family?

  • 08.31.2005 7:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Kilroy
Who's the Flood Family?

...
The "Regulars"...
The "Cool people"...
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You know, the small minority that pretty much thinks it owns the place?

  • 08.31.2005 8:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Kilroy
Posted by: Texas Ben
You know some people will get it as don't deserve it.

Example: IF Twitch666 was still around... do you honestly think that he wouldn't be modded way up the instant one of the "Flood Family" got point powers?


Who's the Flood Family?


"Rulers" of the flood forums. Twitch is a perfect example of how this system could get screwed up, he'd be half way to "FORUM GOD" by now.

Leave the karma points to the mods.

  • 08.31.2005 8:02 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

everyone brings up great points, especially Texas Ben. Kilroy, i agree, but theres nothing really wrong with what you say. SB has a great fanfic, with a lot of fans. He deserves good karma. how much is determined by.......? should the mods decide how much? or is that too restrictive?

  • 08.31.2005 8:04 PM PDT
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l don't know....from all the things you're all saying l think this karma stuff sounds like a bad idea.

  • 08.31.2005 8:05 PM PDT
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And I've heard of Twitch, who was he?

EDIT: Nedus, I don't think the mods should be able to do that. Maybe Achronos.

EDIT2: Hey, I'm editing like nedus!

[Edited on 8/31/2005]

  • 08.31.2005 8:06 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

So what youre all saying is that we should have a karma system similar to RvB's, but different in that only the mods can give you karma?

  • 08.31.2005 8:10 PM PDT