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Subject: Wondering about the karma system

I'll be on my own side.

i see. i never really saw it, and when i did i never thought about it.

  • 08.31.2005 8:48 PM PDT
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  • 08.31.2005 8:53 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

haha ok, i get it.

Well, ill be off to play some GR Summit Strike. if my disc works......

Ok so it didnt work.

[Edited on 8/31/2005]

  • 08.31.2005 9:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nedus
So what youre all saying is that we should have a karma system similar to RvB's, but different in that only the mods can give you karma?
That might be the best method to prevent it from becoming a popularity contest. This way karma is awarded based on contribution rather than renown. For example: If two seperate posters reply to a thread, a less-known member might make a remarkable observation that is completely shadowed by a more popular member. It's human nature but who do you think people will give karma points to unfortunately? In the end, if a karma system is implemented I'm sure it will be much too cleverly designed for my simpleton monkey brain.

  • 09.01.2005 8:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Ghandi 2
Banshee, under the system I proposed Joe Dan would never get the ability to give points. Just like the Floodlings and the rabid followers of popular fan-fic writers would not totally screw up the system because a)the Floodlings and said rabid fans would probably not get any points, and even if they did they would almost vertainly not get above 1 per day (or whatever the minimum amount of point giving will be) and b)You can't give points to the same person twice in a row.


I agree with that. I think that if we were going to implement a karma system, it would be a necessity to have it running on s system very similar, if not exactly the same, as that one. I just don't want to see the cookie cutter karma system used and cause even more problems for these forums.

I trust Achronos and the web team will make the best decision, whatever it may be.

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  • 09.01.2005 10:23 AM PDT

Tom Achronos
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You guys are thinking about the karma system the wrong way. The idea is to give positive reinforcement to good contributions to the community. Very little of it will be based on human interaction. While it may tie into a post rating system, that's not necessarily how it would work. And if it is, then the amount post feedback could affect your rating would be small.

RvB or slashdot's system is not really appropriate for this place. We're rating users, not posts. We're trying to make your own account more valuable. Stopping spammers isn't really a priority of that system... that will be dealt with in the next update, when we add a 1 post a minute (1 topic every 3 minutes) and an overall limit of 7 topics in the public forums in a 24 hour period. A "karma" system is significantly farther away.



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  • 09.01.2005 11:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: XXJackalSniperXX
How does someone get poular from doing something like that?


Twitch had stopped spamming for a while. I guess he did something to someone's group or something. Twitch actually had some interesting posts that's why I liked him.

I really hope we don't get a karma system like RvB. It's pointless. Like that other poster said you get bad Karma for saying something about the episode. If you aren't on the first page or two you don't get any points at all, but if you post on the first page they hit your account with bad karma because they didn't get on the first page. I imagine that system would only be worse Bungie.net. I would support a Karma system where mods gave and took karma points for user quality. Like right now I would get really bad for halfway defending twitch.

  • 09.01.2005 11:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Stopping spammers isn't really a priority of that system... that will be dealt with in the next update, when we add a 1 post a minute (1 topic every 3 minutes) and an overall limit of 7 topics in the public forums in a 24 hour period. A "karma" system is significantly farther away.



Can you reduce the number of topics in the public forums in a 24 hour period to like 3. I don't know if its intentional or not but a lot of times people create a lot of low content posts on the forums. My favorite is the I'm leaving and I'll be back at this time tomorrow after they have created like 10 posts about things like peanut butter.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Change a 7? Blasphemy!


I thought about that. Perhaps we could make it one post per 7 days so it would be 1/7 just for Bungie sake. [/joke]

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There really should be a certain limitation on how many topics you can create a day.

  • 09.01.2005 12:35 PM PDT
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I rarely, if ever, create a new topic, unless it is something of the utmost importance...

  • 09.01.2005 1:50 PM PDT
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I would never use up the 7 posts. And I rarely post more than once per minute.

Question, will topics in groups count in your total? Will that be separate? Or does it just not affect groups?

  • 09.01.2005 1:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: Tom Bland
I rarely, if ever, create a new topic, unless it is something of the utmost importance...


I haven't created a topic in a couple months. I think most topics are created just because someone wants their name on the page. Most topics already have a thread for them or have been discussed till there is nothing more to say, but someone still brings it up again in a new thread.

Posted by: Kilroy
I would never use up the 7 posts. And I rarely post more than once per minute.

Question, will topics in groups count in your total? Will that be separate? Or does it just not affect groups?



Maybe they could make it a founder priveledge to determine how often someone can create topics or post. Every group is different. Some are fast paced and some like to keep about the same topics for a month or so. The posts counts between public forums and each group should be seperate I think. Spam is usually directed at the public forums. Allowing the decision on post counts to be made at the individual group level would allow a more custom feel. I don't know how Bungie will do it, but that is what I would do if I were them.

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Posted by: Kilroy
I would never use up the 7 posts. And I rarely post more than once per minute.

Question, will topics in groups count in your total? Will that be separate? Or does it just not affect groups?


Achronos said public forums. I don't think it would make since to have a post limit in groups.

  • 09.01.2005 2:13 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: Achronos
You guys are thinking about the karma system the wrong way. The idea is to give positive reinforcement to good contributions to the community. Very little of it will be based on human interaction. While it may tie into a post rating system, that's not necessarily how it would work. And if it is, then the amount post feedback could affect your rating would be small.

RvB or slashdot's system is not really appropriate for this place. We're rating users, not posts. We're trying to make your own account more valuable. Stopping spammers isn't really a priority of that system... that will be dealt with in the next update, when we add a 1 post a minute (1 topic every 3 minutes) and an overall limit of 7 topics in the public forums in a 24 hour period. A "karma" system is significantly farther away.


Achronos, I understand what you mean, but what else is there to a user but his posts on B.net? On RvB there's the pictures and the journals and all that to rate. I'm not saying to turn Bungie into a Myspace site, because that would be lame. The only way to rate a user(the only way I see, maybe I'm missing somethin here)here is by the quality of his or her posts.

Maybe just have only one type of karma, so if a user makes a good post, they get positive karma, no +1 Cool or Funny(that goes back to rating the actual post).

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I’m always in the flood and I didn't even know who twitch was mainly because I only look at posts with proper spelling and a title that makes sense. I would also like to see the Karma system mark people down for persistent bad spelling and grammar but that's just me.



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  • 09.01.2005 2:18 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

You didnt miss out on anything, Keyes.

Hopefully, Achronos' system will be able to weed out people like Twitch.

  • 09.01.2005 2:23 PM PDT

Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

We're rating users, not posts. RvB is a post rating system. We want to give you positive reinforcement for being a good contirbutor. And here, you're more than your posts. Your're an Xbox Live gamertag sometimes, you're also a collection of groups, then there's news submissions, resource creation, etc.

Again, stop thinking about it terms of a "post feedback system". It is a "user rating" system. And you'd never get to see someone's rating (not even your own), except maybe in the beginning when we start testing the math behind it. Karma in and of itself won't be a badge of honor.

It is possible to make a system with low abuse if you minimize the attack vectors.

Posted by: Nedus
Achronos, I understand what you mean, but what else is there to a user but his posts on B.net? On RvB there's the pictures and the journals and all that to rate. I'm not saying to turn Bungie into a Myspace site, because that would be lame. The only way to rate a user(the only way I see, maybe I'm missing somethin here)here is by the quality of his or her posts.

Maybe just have only one type of karma, so if a user makes a good post, they get positive karma, no +1 Cool or Funny(that goes back to rating the actual post).

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Posted by: Achronos
We're rating users, not posts. RvB is a post rating system. We want to give you positive reinforcement for being a good contirbutor. And here, you're more than your posts. Your're an Xbox Live gamertag sometimes, you're also a collection of groups, then there's news submissions, resource creation, etc.

Again, stop thinking about it terms of a "post feedback system". It is a "user rating" system. And you'd never get to see someone's rating (not even your own), except maybe in the beginning when we start testing the math behind it. Karma in and of itself won't be a badge of honor.

It is possible to make a system with low abuse if you minimize the attack vectors.

Posted by: Nedus
Achronos, I understand what you mean, but what else is there to a user but his posts on B.net? On RvB there's the pictures and the journals and all that to rate. I'm not saying to turn Bungie into a Myspace site, because that would be lame. The only way to rate a user(the only way I see, maybe I'm missing somethin here)here is by the quality of his or her posts.

Maybe just have only one type of karma, so if a user makes a good post, they get positive karma, no +1 Cool or Funny(that goes back to rating the actual post).


But what about my questions?

  • 09.01.2005 2:44 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Ahh ok i see what you mean. I was thinking news posts and theme submissions after I posted. And yes, hiding the ratings is a good idea to prevent it from being whored and people using against each other(you're stupid and wrong, look at your karma level).

But concerning Gamertags, how would that work? Wouldn't it be only the mods and yourself be able to award karma? Unless you wanna accept a friends request............=)?

Also, would the mods be able to see our levels?

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Wati wait wait. I thought the whole point of it was to see if the person had something to say that you might be interested in reading. How is that gonna work if no one knows their rating? Am I missing the point?

  • 09.01.2005 3:02 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

I don't get it... what's the point of the Karma system if nobody can see how much Karma you have? It seems as though I missed something.

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That was what confused me.


[Edited on 9/1/2005]

  • 09.01.2005 3:06 PM PDT