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Subject: Wondering about the karma system
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Posted by: Texas Ben
On the other hand, Gnome, all memory of your -blam!--seeking exploits would be erased.

Don't you people ever Forget! Gosh!
j/k

-15 for using the word "Gosh"

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  • 09.02.2005 7:05 PM PDT
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The United States of America-- STILL more rights than North Korea!
--New official U.S. motto.

Cronin's Law----The New Flood Drinking Game

Blame Gaara. He's keeping the memory alive :P

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  • 09.02.2005 7:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Texas Ben
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Neg-mods means "negative mod points". It's commonly used on the RvB forums, where this system is currently in use.

If the forums ara anything like the comments section, I consider it a terrible failure. I've seen comments like "Great episode" get modded down (-3 lame!), and then, right below it, someone will post something dumb like "Woo!" and get modded +5 funny?!
This would especially be a problem in the flood. Have we all already forgotten that the place is run by the "family"


I thought it was two "families" not just the one....

  • 09.03.2005 2:46 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

am i part of that family?

  • 09.03.2005 5:16 AM PDT
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Family??

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  • 09.03.2005 6:32 AM PDT
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The United States of America-- STILL more rights than North Korea!
--New official U.S. motto.

Cronin's Law----The New Flood Drinking Game

Okay first of all I would like to thank everyone for stealing my Karma-rating system.

Second, I would like a basic run-down of what might be planned... I'm afraid I don't understand. It says that it won't be about increasing your rank, it'll be "about increasing the value of your account". Does this mean rewards? Sorry, I be dumb.

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  • 09.03.2005 10:41 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Yeah, Achronos said he has a whole whiteboard full of possible rewards and stuff for us. Don't be dumd.

  • 09.03.2005 4:48 PM PDT
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Cant wait to see what happens, although it sounds like it could take awhile.

+500, Gnome is the best ever!

  • 09.03.2005 4:53 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

I sense a growing trend. And it doesn't look good. This is gonna end up like "insert clever phrase here" for sigs, and Moderator Notice:This user has been blacklisted for being so cool....blah blah blah.

Please, we don't need any more of those stupid things.

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The United States of America-- STILL more rights than North Korea!
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Cronin's Law----The New Flood Drinking Game

Well, it was clever when it was just me doing it...

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  • 09.03.2005 7:22 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Yes, but other people have to jump on the bandwagon "look at me I'm so clever ripping off Texas Ben!!"

  • 09.03.2005 7:27 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

LoL!!! Bandwagon!
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  • 09.03.2005 7:29 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

......I rest my case.

Achronos help us all.

  • 09.04.2005 1:22 AM PDT
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I never go to rvb much because i might get my karma level taken down cause ive only got 2..... :(

  • 09.04.2005 1:38 AM PDT
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I hate this Karma system thing. It makes like..a seperation gap between the good and the bad..and personalty I think it is like..segragation.(Sp?)

Only certain people can make topics, and stuff..and others just sit and post..Its stupid.

  • 09.12.2005 7:15 AM PDT
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Another thought about the Karma system and how it might become a bad idea, would be negative mod wars in places like Zanzibar, The Flood, and Optimatch. Groups who hate each other could concieveably try to mod each other back into the stone age.....

  • 09.12.2005 7:19 AM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

The moderators are here for a reason. It would probably require more mods, but it could be handled.

And even if they do mod each other down to negative levels, they deserve it for starting a flame war. A flamer/spammer doesn't deserve to have good karma.

This won't be a problem though. Read the rest of this thread. Achronos' ideas kill this problem.

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  • 09.12.2005 7:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Caboose360
I hate this Karma system thing. It makes like..a seperation gap between the good and the bad..and personalty I think it is like..segragation.(Sp?)

Actually it is "descrimination", but in the good sense of "telling the difference between good and bad" and not in the "I don't like you" sense. It's rewarding people who make a contribution to the community, encouraging them to keep on supporting other members and helping them out. I don't think there's been any real discussion on using it as a punishment or as a way to exclude people... we already have the (overworked) "Unleash Ninjas" button for punishing bad behaviour and the spam filter for reducing it, so piling Karma on top is just redundant.

-- Steve's looking forward to seeing more community members get rewarded for their good deeds.

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  • 09.12.2005 7:48 AM PDT
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i've been saying that the karma points should be handed out by mods, but than i realised:
if that happened, their suck PM's would raise a million times. "Yo reiginko, you are the best mod effa! gimme karma points!" (this was an example reig, NOT for real)

  • 09.12.2005 8:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
You guys are thinking about the karma system the wrong way. The idea is to give positive reinforcement to good contributions to the community. Very little of it will be based on human interaction.
I don’t think an automated karma system would be easy to design, or even ever work. I wouldn’t even know what parameters to begin with. The only thing I can readily think of, is running every person’s post through a spell checker and rating them based on that. I think karma is something that can only be dished out by people, not computers. So I’m going to explain how I think a good karma system would work.

We start off with the mods. At first, only they can hand out karma, and it can be good or bad. Also, only they can see people’s karma. Karma would appear as a color next to a poster’s name. After a while, some people will have really good karma (actually, I know some people will have really good karma that day) and some people will have bad karma (within the hour, perhaps). The people with good karma will be ranked as Tier 2 good karma users, and will then be able to dish out their own karma, good or bad. This karma will be kept separate from mod karma, but be displayed along with a user’s mod karma, but have less weight. Also, no amount of Tier 2 good karma can get you into the Tier 2 good group, only mod karma can. Of course, as some people the mods don’t notice build up good karma, it can act as a flag for the mods to see who’s been good.

The other benefit of Tier 2 good is the ability to dish out bad karma. Since the number of Tier 2 goods will exceed the number of mods, their eyes would be in more places at once. Perhaps someone has been misbehaving somewhere, and then they make a rotten post that merits deletion. The mod sees the bad karma rating, and decides a banning is in order as well. If they had seen a good karma rating, they may decide to be flexible and give out a warning instead. Another benefit of letting mods see bad karma is for repeat offenders. Anyone who’s been banned gets a mark for each ban. People who have been banned several times could then face harsher and harsher punishments until the banhammer comes down on them with full force so they can never return here again.

The benefits of the described system are obvious. In this system, the karma is used only as an aide to the mods. No special privileges are given out yet, but the karma is still being used effectively. The karma will assist the mods in telling apart trouble makers and people who do not intentionally break the rules. This karma system would also be easily testable, since no action is actually taken on a user’s karma except for being able to give out karma that doesn’t matter except for helping the mods. The system has a low chance of not working properly, since it starts at the mods and only Tier 2 good people could influence another user’s karma. There will be no runaway explosion of people dishing out good karma, since only the mods’ ratings will count in being able to give it.

Ultimately, people with good karma could receive benefits like a forum for good karma users, or possibly special avatars or such. I hesitate to suggest such thing, however, as it will lead to grudges and resentment. This is why I feel a karma system should at first only be used as a tool to assist the mods.

P.S. Bungie employees could change a user’s karma level to be anything, obviously.

  • 09.12.2005 12:26 PM PDT

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Rip Saw, man, what did I ever do to you to make you wish this on me? :-)

Seriously, having a Karma system that depends upon Moderator involvement is a non-starter on a site this size... us mods are outnumbered 100,000:1 (including inactive accounts, admittedly) and so the administrative burden would be HUGE. So huge that it'd interfere with everything else we do. I didn't really appreciate that until becoming a mod, and that's with the benefit of the anti-spam system. A moderator-run scheme would lead to gaps simply because of the scale, and that would lead to accusations of favouritism that we CANNOT afford.

Besides, your system really doesn't reward good members... it just flags people who are popular with people the moderators think are good members. The idea of Karma (at least that's being discussed here) is to act as a recognition system for the people who make the community more enjoyable, more useful, or more friendly. It should be (fingers crossed) an incentive to play nice here and to contribute, not another way to penalise bad actors.

-- Steve thinks we've got plenty of stick with the blacklist, spam filter, and Banhammer... it's time to add the carrot.

  • 09.12.2005 12:46 PM PDT

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Nobody said a mostly automatic system is easy. But that's why we have a very specific implementation plan.

The good news is that we aren't in a rush to implement it, and are fully capable of simply not turning it on, or throwing it away if we're not satisified with it. So, don't worry about it.

  • 09.12.2005 1:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rip Saw
The only thing I can readily think of, is running every person’s post through a spell checker and rating them based on that.
Which I, for one, think would be a truly splendid idea!

  • 09.12.2005 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
Nobody said a mostly automatic system is easy.

Just look at what happened with the Soul.

  • 09.12.2005 2:08 PM PDT

It was a cold day near the southern base in Blood Gulch. Cortana and I were relaxing over a game of Go Fish, WHEN OUT OF NO WHERE 700 BANSHEES CAME FLYING IN!!! I GRABED MY SPARTAN LASER AND LET HELL REIGN DOWN UPON THEM. I HOPPED IN THE NEAREST WARTHOG AND TOLD CORTANA TO GET IN.

loL! u hav guud speakz!

That was a joke, by the way. Not ment to insult you, if for some reason it did. :P

  • 09.12.2005 2:12 PM PDT