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Can i ask what this has to do with the bungie community and the se7enth column?

Nothing, oh well then take thine microsoft bashing to the flood

  • 08.31.2005 7:03 PM PDT
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indeed.

  • 08.31.2005 9:28 PM PDT
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Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.

  • 08.31.2005 9:49 PM PDT
Subject: Microsoft/Bungie relationship

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Poll: Do you think Microsoft ( Not Bungie) is "scummy" (read ...  [closed]
Yes, they are not the best.:  17%
(4 Votes)
No, they are very nice people.:  8%
(2 Votes)
Nobody is perfect, they're trying their best.:  50%
(12 Votes)
Their best is still not good enough:  25%
(6 Votes)
Total Votes: 24

It's not working out. Bungie is a nice clean community and sadly enough doesn't make the orders...it takes the orders. Microsoft in the bigger picture is not always trying their best to help out us..the consumers. My XBOX Console stopped working properly on 8/17/05 Microsoft tried to help and after multiple failed attempts, they directed me to send away my XBOX to some factory that fixes XBOXs in Kentucky, and 8 days and $90 later I got it back with the same exact problem, but the note sent with it claimed, "We fixed your XBOX" and other general things like have a nice day and BS. They want me to send it back with no cost only because I made a stink about it. I bet that they will either not fix it and say too bad or buy me a new one...some company. I think Bungie deserves better than Microsoft.

  • 08.31.2005 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterGrief
Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.


Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.

  • 08.31.2005 10:11 PM PDT
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Wow! Shiska has made an appearance! you just rocked my sox off.

  • 08.31.2005 10:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: MasterGrief
Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.


Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.
Stop sending this crap to the flood. We have enough crap. Send some to the classifieds. The library has been pretty boring lately, send it there.

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  • 08.31.2005 10:44 PM PDT
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Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]Stop sending this crap to the flood. We have enough crap. Send some to the classifieds. The library has been pretty boring lately, send it there.


Or Bungie you can make another forum call, I hate stuff and I am dumd, i doubt you well part the last part :-)

  • 08.31.2005 11:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: MasterGrief
Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.


Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.


I might get banned for this but oh well.

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I might get banned for this but oh well.


I hope not. That is 1 of about two or three things worth reading on this forum all day. I can't believe it. I wait for the internet to get back working after the hurricane and this is what I come back to. I quit

If these are indeed the -blam!-zor Mountains we can safely assume that the inhabitants share certain customs. That makes me smile. Thank you sincerely for the laugh.

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  • 09.01.2005 12:40 AM PDT

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You don't think Microsoft uses evil techniques? How about the truth about Halo 3? There was no Halo 3 , It was all supposed to be in Halo 2 but Bill "On The Pill" Gates decided to make Bungie cut off the work so he could make more money off the next Halo and also make it for XBOX 360 only so that if you want the game that you should've got with the original 50 bucks, you have to pay an extra $760 !!! Thats, right the cheapest XBOX 360 I could find with a wireless controller was $700, not $600, and it looks like 360 games are gonna cost $60 each!!! What a cheap B4STARD that Bill Gates is!!! What an @sshole.

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Posted by: SpecOps527
You don't think Microsoft uses evil techniques? How about the truth about Halo 3? There was no Halo 3 , It was all supposed to be in Halo 2 but Bill "On The Pill" Gates decided to make Bungie cut off the work so he could make more money off the next Halo and also make it for XBOX 360 only so that if you want the game that you shoulda got with the original 50 bucks, you have to pay an extra $760 !!! That's, right the cheapest XBOX 360 I could find with a wireless controller was $700, not $600, and it looks like 360 games are gonna cost $60 each!!! What a cheap B4STARD that Bill Gates is!!! What an @sshole.


Its called marketing. Businesses have only one aim: make money. Microsoft earns money on Halo 3, therefore Bungie gets more money by developing Halo 3. Think about it from a businessman's perspective and it'll make sense.

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Think about it from a businessman's perspective and it'll make sense.
Think about it from a consumer's perspective... it doesn't.

Microsoft is bad. Their business practices are anti-competetive... often unethically or illegally so. Not that they care, of course.
That and they try to patent everything in sight.

And, somehow, I don't think using your customers to beta-test your newly relesed software and then patching it isn't good either.

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Posted by: Texas Ben
Think about it from a businessman's perspective and it'll make sense.
Think about it from a consumer's perspective... it doesn't.

Microsoft is bad. Their business practices are anti-competetive... often unethically or illegally so. Not that they care, of course.
That and they try to patent everything in sight.

And, somehow, I don't think using your customers to beta-test your newly relesed software and then patching it isn't good either.


At least i can download almost anything from anywhere use almost any program on my windows PC. There would be a terrible mess if there were loads of different formats that werent compatible. And who cares as long as halo3s good. Who cares about ethics nowdays anyhow apart for touchey feely bleeding heart liberals. I get good games, I get a computer thats compatible with almost everything so im happy.

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Posted by: Texas Ben
Think about it from a businessman's perspective and it'll make sense.
Think about it from a consumer's perspective... it doesn't.

Microsoft is bad. Their business practices are anti-competetive... often unethically or illegally so. Not that they care, of course.
That and they try to patent everything in sight.

And, somehow, I don't think using your customers to beta-test your newly relesed software and then patching it isn't good either.


Almost everyone I know hates Microsoft; I just tried to stand up and try to end this..but failed miserably. Aah well:)

But Bill Gates did not have to say that they'll release Halo 3 the same day as Playstation 3. He makes money, but gets a lot of negative publicity.

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Posted by: SpecOps527
You don't think Microsoft uses evil techniques? How about the truth about Halo 3? There was no Halo 3 , It was all supposed to be in Halo 2 but Bill "On The Pill" Gates decided to make Bungie cut off the work so he could make more money off the next Halo and also make it for XBOX 360 only so that if you want the game that you should've got with the original 50 bucks, you have to pay an extra $760 !!! Thats, right the cheapest XBOX 360 I could find with a wireless controller was $700, not $600, and it looks like 360 games are gonna cost $60 each!!! What a cheap B4STARD that Bill Gates is!!! What an @sshole.


This is just a case of extreme gullibility. Microsoft uses "evil techniques". Bill Gates forced Bungie to cut content on Halo 2 and put it in 3. I hear all you people saying that but where is the evidence. I will repeat "WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE". I don't normally use caps but this time I had to. No just because there is a cliff hanger ending doesn't mean Bungie was forced to change their story. If you remember the original Halo it had a cliff hanger ending also. Remember the last words? Oh I just think we are getting started. If that isn't a cliff hanger then I don't know what is. You are killing me by unsubstantiated innuendo.

I doubt that anybody has reliable information on the price point on the xbox. Have you looked at the hardware that comes in a xbox 360. I think I would pay that $750 dollars for a computer with 3 cores. I have said several times on this forum that I wish that Microsoft would charge upward of $1000 for their console. Think about it if they charge $1500 dollars for a console every little kid that would be screaming in my ear on xbox live is going to have to settle for the PS3 because mommy and daddy don't want to raise their children. $1500 price tag would make sure they get the PS3. That means less annoyance for me. I guess that will never happen.


Still what I don't see is what is wrong with Bill Gates choosing at what price he wants to sell his product. It's a free market. That's how the economy works. If a company creates a product they can sell it at what ever price they like. If no one buys it at that price the price goes down. $60 dollars is not that bad for a game. You were already paying $50. I payed $75 for Halo 2 to have it shipped to me on the release date.(I know I'm a nerd). There was an article in game developer magazine about how with this increase in hardware capability they are going to have to hire more artists to create the extra detail that the new generation of console are capable of. That is game developer magazine not some game magazine marketed to a 7th grade consumer of video games that has to generate rumors about Bungie/Microsoft to sell magazines. It already takes a large staff a long time to create any video game. Labor costs works out like this

people * time = man hours = money
more people * more time = more man hours = more money

It is only natural that a company who is in business to make money is going to increase the price for a product that costs more to make. You are way off base on blaming Microsoft for this one, because it is the publisher who decides the price of the game. They do this based on market forces.




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Posted by: kd5shw
$60 dollars is not that bad for a game. You were already paying $50.

Exactly. Why should I pay $10 more for the same rehashed norm-paste crap?
Games aren't getting any better... they're getting worse. People just don't notice because they're prettier.
Vote with your wallet.

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Posted by: SlappyTheElf
At least i can download almost anything from anywhere use almost any program on my windows PC. There would be a terrible mess if there were loads of different formats that werent compatible.

What if, instead of windows PCs, Macs were the major type of computer?
If Mac were to keep up their current quality, you would have PCs that:
* Are easier to use
* Don't crash at least once a week
* Actually run faster after installing updates
* Software *much* easier to program because mac's hardware is very uniform compared to that of PCs.
* User-friendly... much more so than windows

See, Microsoft is so big right now because the sucess of it's earlier operating systems gives it considerable leverage-- Kind of like what's making most of you here buy the 360... despite the fact that it will most likely be far inferior to the PS3, you want to stick with the brand you like, despite it's inferior product.

The same thing goes for OS/hardware. Most people don't want to learn a new operating system, so, they don't.

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  • 09.01.2005 11:57 AM PDT
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face it even if halo 2 wasnt rushed, a halo 3 still would have been made

what makes money is always made more of, like Zelda with nintendo, now if halo will stand the test of time and remain a classic like zelda is a diffrent story.



i do wish time is taken with halo 3 (deserves a better title), and if they have to be pushed back, then be it i would love to see player made maps support like CE, with out the mods to keep game play fair, or cant be used in rank games


i would love to see more improvements to the multiplayer aspect (easyer to find games, as in CE long lists)


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though window XP is a drain on my memory

mine hasnt crashed (of its own error) in about a year

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Posted by: Texas Ben
What if, instead of windows PCs, Macs were the major type of computer?

That isn't the case so I buy windows. If Mac were more common then I would buy Mac. The entire point of an operating system is to run other software. Since windows is more common it has more compatible software.

If Mac were to keep up their current quality, you would have PCs that:
* Are easier to use
* Don't crash at least once a week
* Actually run faster after installing updates
* Software *much* easier to program because mac's hardware is very uniform compared to that of PCs.
* User-friendly... much more so than windows

Are easier is obviously a subjective test. Mac would be harder for me to use because I haven't had a lot of experience with it. If you use Mac most of the time then it would make sense that you would find macs easier to use.

Crashing once a week is probably intentional hyperbole on your part, but my system doesn't crash. The last time my system actually just up and crashed was when I ran a CPU monitoring program that I didn't read all the requirments for. It was for another CPU type and when it tried to go and do low level manipulation it crashed. It was flat out user error. I run my PC pretty much 24 hours a day. I run a distributed computing project from a laser inferometer all day. In between I run computationally intensive programs like 3ds max, photoshop, and video games. Because I take care of my computer, it doesn't crash. If you aren't downloading trash onto your computer and install active x controls from untrustworthy sources your computer won't crash.

The more uniform software is a tradeoff. Making hardware more uniform limits the creativity of the people who create it but makes it easier to develop for. What if there was a law saying that all car engines have to be the same. It would easier for mechanics to fix them because they are all the same, but at the same time it would limit the developement of new technology. The user friendliness is covered by the easier to use section of my argument.

See, Microsoft is so big right now because the sucess of it's earlier operating systems gives it considerable leverage--
A market share earned by creating a superior product perhaps?

[quote] Kind of like what's making most of you here buy the 360... despite the fact that it will most likely be far inferior to the PS3, you want to stick with the brand you like, despite it's inferior product.

What makes a console a superior product is what software it can run much like an OS. Guess what the superior software is. That's right Bungie games. I wonder what console they will be developing for. From the specs I have read the PS3 has a slight advantage in CPU power. If there is one thing I have learned from PC's its that processor power has little to do with gaming ability when it is compared with the power of the GPU. I bought a computer with a 3.4 GHz HT pentium for with a GB of dual channel ram. I went cheap on the graphics card. I popped in Halo PC and it would only run at low resolution. I had to go buy another card and after installing it noticed an immediate improvement. I haven't read anything too detailed on the video cards of the consoles mainly because I'm too lazy.
[quote]The same thing goes for OS/hardware. Most people don't want to learn a new operating system, so, they don't.


I just don't want to learn an OS that I won't have a use for. I'm in a C++ programming class right now. I guess I'm going to be learning Unix. I have a purpose for that. I have no purpose in learning mac right now because everything I would want to do with a mac I can do with a

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Posted by: Ruze
Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: MasterGrief
Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.


Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.


I might get banned for this but oh well.
lol.thats hilarious

  • 09.01.2005 1:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: kd5shw
Stop sending this crap to the flood. We have enough crap. Send some to the classifieds. The library has been pretty boring lately, send it there.
Who's "We". A rather possessive term for a forum. ;P

At least through the Xbox, Bungie (as a company) is exposed to a wider audience and that's a good thing overall.

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Posted by: kd5shw
Stop sending this crap to the flood. We have enough crap. Send some to the classifieds. The library has been pretty boring lately, send it there.
Who's "We". A rather possessive term for a forum. ;P

At least through the Xbox, Bungie (as a company) is exposed to a wider audience and that's a good thing overall.


This actually turned out alright for a thread in the flood. Not what I though it was going to be. People are actually arguing Mac vs PC and PS3 vs XBOX w/o a flamewar. It didn't show much promise at first. "We" are the flood. I identify myself more with the flood than anyother forum, because I spend most of my time there and when there are no topics worthy of discussion it bothers me. It's also funny that the discussion has involved more Bungie since it came to the flood.

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  • 09.01.2005 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: MasterGrief
Wait, so because the tech support people didn't fix your xbox properly, Micro$oft is a bad influence on Bungie. I'm sorry your xbox doesn't work, but most likely without the funding, Halo and Halo 2 may not have been as great as they are.


Anyone who uses a $ in Microsoft or "MS" loses all credibility in whatever discussion is being had, as far as I'm concerned.

you rock shishka.!

  • 09.01.2005 3:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Texas Ben
Think about it from a businessman's perspective and it'll make sense.
Think about it from a consumer's perspective... it doesn't.

okay lets all sit and think about it from a consumers perspective. we want and want and want. thats all we do. companies have to make, so we will buy it. then in some cases (like the Halo franchise) it become incredibly popular. So.... they dont put Halo 2 and Halo 3 together, because they will make more money. HOW? you might ask. well. we will want Halo 2 a lot. so we all buy it. Bungie and Microsoft(notice how i dont use the stupid dollar sign you dumb Anti-Microsoft people) gain Millions and Millions of moneys and use it to create Halo 3. Sooooo... thinking from a businessmans perspective makes a whole lot of sense, than just from the consumers.

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