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Posted by: Jager
It seemed fairly obviouis that Cortana was going rampant after we placed her in the Forerunner computer. however, I was rather dissapointed that there was absolutely no signs of rampancy or insanity in Cortana in the book First Strike. All she did was complain about how full her memory banks where. [hands her a tissue].

One thing we must understand is that Halo smart AI's are technically already in a (stable) rampant state. Such growth limits their lifespan to seven years however. I'm gonna go on a limb and say that i don't think she's going rampant.

I think you're taking the quote about starving the flood to death a little bit too verbatim. A shotgun will kill a blood. A biga$$ explosion will kill a flood. And lack of atomosphere - i'm gonna go on a limp and say it - will kill a flood. I believe she was referring to the flood as a collective when she said you can really only starve them to death (as fun as it sounds, I don't think you could shotgun the entire flood species into exstinction). Therefore, killing the flood's "food" or letting them grow to their logistic potential (food=organic lifeforms of suffient bio and brainmass) will curb the flood problem. But since neither sounds like a good idea, why not just blow up the flood? I have hard time believing that Halo's environmental systems will hold if its shattered into a million pieces. And so I think its safe to say you don't have any flood colonies floating on shards of halo. And if you do, I revert back to Way #2 of curbing flood = logistical growth. They'd max out growth on their little shard and eventually die off from lack of food.

Also, in blowing up Halo we took out any capital ships that the flood could've used to escape. So no more flood problem. From this Halo that is.

Cortana was acting with humanity's best interests in mind. Nothing sinister underneath.

On a tangeant: I find it curious that we will be "revisting" old places as I believe we just heard in a Frankie update (or was it the discovery channel special?). What places will still exist to revisit?!

::ponders some more::



exactly

  • 08.06.2004 7:41 PM PDT
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Okay, then if it's assumed by all of you that the Flood can NOT survive in space, then why not just shut off the Halo's atmosphere once the Flood escape? This would stop the flood WITHOUT destroying life in the galaxy.

  • 08.06.2004 7:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Tomato
exactly


except I forgot the part about Songebob. he should've been central to my thesis. O:-)

(how odd would that be to see cartoon characters make cameos in halo 2?)

::eyes widen::

  • 08.06.2004 7:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: NaughtyCalibur
Okay, then if it's assumed by all of you that the Flood can NOT survive in space, then why not just shut off the Halo's atmosphere once the Flood escape? This would stop the flood WITHOUT destroying life in the galaxy.


Excellent Question!

I don't understand how Halo is engineered, but I don't imagine there being the occasional "air machine" plugged into a wall socket spread out through Halo here and there. hehe. Therefore "turning off the atomosphere" wouldn't be as easy as that. Now gravity? Can that be turned off? If we can turn off gravity then maybe the air will fly off into space (similar to how Mars is believed to have once harbored an excellent atmosphere which eventually escaped into space). However, we have centrifigul force to contend with. it may be that Halo's rotations give the ring its gravity. And so you'd have to stop the ring's movements. If that's possible. And hope the air escapes fast enough. However, I'd image that time was of the importance, and it was necessary to kill them ASAP before they could garner a usable capital ship. That, and we wanted to make sure GS 343 doesn't set off Halo, atmosphere or no atmosphere!

Now why wouldn't GS 343 turn off the atmosphere? again, i'm gonna assume "getting rid of the air" is a one time deal. And stopping Halo's rotation will open a whole new can of beans! As far as GS 343 is concerned, halo is an ARK, a refuge, and it shouldn't be destroyed (b/c getting rid of air/gravity would virtually destroy halo's usefulness as well).

Different AI's with different motives. I love it! But then is GS 343 hellbent of setting off other Halos, regardless of our success at Installation 04? Uh oh. Can we say "Halo 2 subplot?" We just can't get enough of crazed Bungie AI's, can we?

  • 08.06.2004 7:54 PM PDT
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First of all, Halo is dependant on itself, like a normal planet. Remember the Part on Assault of the Control room when you went on the first bridge, and Cortana said something ( I cant remember exactly what) which ment that the weather was Natural. Uncontrollable. Like Jager said, to vent the atomosphere, you need to stop the Gravitational pull, which you would need to stop the rings rotation. And how would you do that?

And Spongebob should be the Mother Flood. All your attacks only.....tickle....him.

[Edited on 8/6/2004 8:01:49 PM]

  • 08.06.2004 7:56 PM PDT

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I wonder, has anyone ever considered that 343 GS has a more advanced slipspace drive, and Dr.Halsey may know something. Just thought I would throw that tidbit in there cus those funky crystals alter time AND space proved by cortana being 2 weeks off. anyway I think that Eric Nyland threw in that little Crystal just to make it basically impossible to figure out the plot with the facts we have now.

  • 08.06.2004 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Tomato
First of all, Halo is dependant on itself, like a normal planet. Remember the Part on Assault of the Control room when you went on the first bridge, and Cortana said something ( I cant remember exactly what) which ment that the weath was Natural. Uncontrollable.

And Spongebob should be the Mother Flood. All your attacks only.....tickle....him.


And let me guess you will defeat him with a giant blowdryer

[Edited on 8/6/2004 8:00:25 PM]

  • 08.06.2004 7:59 PM PDT
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Thats a good speculation. Maybe it has something to do with the Plot?

  • 08.06.2004 8:00 PM PDT

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MAYBE read the epilogue in the 1st strike...ya...

  • 08.06.2004 8:03 PM PDT
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No, that wasn't exactly what I was Asking, Jager. My real question is. Why didn't the Forerunner build Halo with the ability to turn off atmosphere, gravity, and all that other crap that the Flood survives on? Why wipe out the entire galaxy to stop the Flood?

It has been theorized that whatever stays on Halo survives after it's used. The Flood would survive too. They can not be "starved" or else they would have all been wiped out after Halo was first used and would not be around during the 26th century.

Why would the Forerunner wipe themselves out along with the entire galaxy just to make sure these little bastards survive? The Flood are VERY important. More Important than the Forerunner, Humans, Covanent, and Galaxy combined. IF they weren't important, then Halo would just have a self destruct sequence that evaporates the Flood. You have to admit, a super powerful self destruct (with the force of a giant Plasma Grenade) would have been alot easier to build than a blast that wipes out 25,000 light years of life excluding the Flood.

  • 08.06.2004 8:10 PM PDT
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In Halo after Cortana warns MC not to activate Halo, 343 GS says something like how did you not know it would destroy all life in the galaxy and says that since MC wont activate Halo he will do it himself. Thats basically the reason why cortana decided to blow up halo and because the flood were close to repairing a covenant ship so they could leave halo.

  • 08.06.2004 8:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: NaughtyCalibur
No, that wasn't exactly what I was Asking, Jager. My real question is. Why didn't the Forerunner build Halo with the ability to turn off atmosphere, gravity, and all that other crap that the Flood survives on? Why wipe out the entire galaxy to stop the Flood?

It has been theorized that whatever stays on Halo survives after it's used. The Flood would survive too. They can not be "starved" or else they would have all been wiped out after Halo was first used and would not be around during the 26th century.

Why would the Forerunner wipe themselves out along with the entire galaxy just to make sure these little bastards survive? The Flood are VERY important. More Important than the Forerunner, Humans, Covanent, and Galaxy combined. IF they weren't important, then Halo would just have a self destruct sequence that evaporates the Flood. You have to admit, a super powerful self destruct (with the force of a giant Plasma Grenade) would have been alot easier to build than a blast that wipes out 25,000 light years of life excluding the Flood.


Maybe the Forerunner have hidden somewhere, or maybe the Flood are the key to something bigger. And did you ever notice that there were no COMBAT FORMS or forerunner or things like that, just humans and elites.Because in a way a combat form will basically kill its host after a certain amount of time, lack of food, all the memories being wiped out and the host going insane whatever. It is said that the Flood will starve themselves after a long time, maybe the infection forms can go into a form of hibernation. or maybe the forerunners suddenly became suicidal and blew the $hit outta themselves just for the H*ll of it. Point is there is to many maybe's.

[Edited on 8/6/2004 8:18:42 PM]

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Posted by: NaughtyCalibur
No, that wasn't exactly what I was Asking, Jager. My real question is. Why didn't the Forerunner build Halo with the ability to turn off atmosphere, gravity, and all that other crap that the Flood survives on? Why wipe out the entire galaxy to stop the Flood?

It has been theorized that whatever stays on Halo survives after it's used. The Flood would survive too. They can not be "starved" or else they would have all been wiped out after Halo was first used and would not be around during the 26th century.

Why would the Forerunner wipe themselves out along with the entire galaxy just to make sure these little bastards survive? The Flood are VERY important. More Important than the Forerunner, Humans, Covanent, and Galaxy combined. IF they weren't important, then Halo would just have a self destruct sequence that evaporates the Flood. You have to admit, a super powerful self destruct (with the force of a giant Plasma Grenade) would have been alot easier to build than a blast that wipes out 25,000 light years of life excluding the Flood.



The flood can be starved to death, because it said in the game. But maybe they did put those percautions. 343 could just be crazy (hes been cooked up there for 101,000 years) and wants the installation to live on for further research. He probably puts his research above everything else. Cortana couldn't of activated the atomsphere ventilation or giant exsplosion because it would of killed the all the Humans, (when there was hope and she was still in the core). And she couldn't go back into the system afterwards because 343 would purge her or restricted from activating the precautions or maybe even take the index, seeing how he is much more advanced.

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  • 08.06.2004 8:21 PM PDT
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The flood are still around after the first time halo was used because those little feeding forms (you kno the ones that look like crabs with baloons on them) they were kept as samples by the forerunners for further study (the monitors states this during one of the levels). Thats why the flood are still around and then they were released by the humans and infected the covies and humans.

  • 08.06.2004 8:27 PM PDT
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If they did make those precautions Cortana would have told 343GS since she knows everything about Halo, this is why I assume Halo is only good at one thing, wiping out the galaxy. Why would the Forerunner observe them? They MUST be important if the Forerunner went through all this building of the Halo's to insure their survival.

If the Flood CAN be starved, then why havn't they starved while locked up on Halo? They were locked up on Halo for 100,000+ years. If they survive without food for that long, then who can honestly say that they EVER starve?

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oh yea and the thing about the fore runners wiping themselves out, im just guessing that they probably were all on the halos and they activated them.. and i dont think the halos destroy life that are on the rings just any other lifeforms in the galaxy.

  • 08.06.2004 8:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: NaughtyCalibur
If they did make those precautions Cortana would have told 343GS since she knows everything about Halo, this is why I assume Halo is only good at one thing, wiping out the galaxy. Why would the Forerunner observe them? They MUST be important if the Forerunner went through all this building of the Halo's to insure their survival.

If the Flood CAN be starved, then why havn't they starved while locked up on Halo? They were locked up on Halo for 100,000+ years. If they survive without food for that long, then who can honestly say that they EVER starve?


They were kept as samples and only the spores survived. They probably sustained them with basic nutrients so would survive (whatever that is with a flood), maybe through a special gas. I'm not saying your not on to something, but since as Jager stated before AI's tend to run rampant. Even though 343 is more advanced, its been 101,000 with the flood. I doubt he could destroy a the flood since hes spent so much time with him. And I'm pretty sure that 343 knows more about Halo than Cortana. Maybe he just doesn't understand. Maybe his priorities got mixed up.

  • 08.06.2004 8:35 PM PDT
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Yeah, I already said that. Obviously people were on Halo in order to activate it, but unless the Forerunner was an extremly small race, only a few were living on Halo, and the rest was wiped out. Halo is "The Gun Pointed At The Head Of The Universe", but why? Thats the question. What importance do the Flood and Halo both have? We shall have to wait and see.

  • 08.06.2004 8:36 PM PDT

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NO DUH I was just being stupid and making people sit and think how much of their time is being wasted

  • 08.06.2004 8:37 PM PDT

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People Cortana doesn't know much about halo. She downloaded EVERYTHING, zipped and comppressed it. most of the time she spent in the comp was used to watch the moniter and the MC get the index remember

  • 08.06.2004 8:39 PM PDT
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Further more. If the Flood are so dangerous, why in gods name would you want to keep them for observation? We already know the Forerunner can't be stupid, so why risk everything over one species? The Forerunner knew what they were doing, and maybe 343 isn't rampant at all, but just seems to be. The Qeen from Resident Evil seemed rampant too, but she was only trying to contain the virus. Maybe 343GS knows that if the Flood somehow die it will cause a chain reaction in which could wipe out the galaxy eventually anyways, or maybe even worse.

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Maybe Halo was made to save us from ourselves? Maybe we are the forunners, and at the end of their time some of them relized that we would just end in death and destruction, not peace and built Halo so we would have another chance, and another, and another, until we get it right. Maybe in the end Halo would save some of us instead of us all dying at our own feet. This doesn't make sense, I just kinda made it up.

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Posted by: NaughtyCalibur
Further more. If the Flood are so dangerous, why in gods name would you want to keep them for observation? We already know the Forerunner can't be stupid, so why risk everything over one species? The Forerunner knew what they were doing, and maybe 343 isn't rampant at all, but just seems to be. The Qeen from Resident Evil seemed rampant too, but she was only trying to contain the virus. Maybe 343GS knows that if the Flood somehow die it will cause a chain reaction in which could wipe out the galaxy eventually anyways, or maybe even worse.


Maybe the Flood weren't dangerous to the Forerunners. And it was made so that they would go out of control, like a Giant termite problem. The Termites can't hurt you, but can destroy you home. So Halo was to stop the flood from going Rampant.

Why do we harbor and research weapons of mass destruction if they are so dangerous to us? Why do we harbor and research chemical weapons if they are so danerous to us? Maybe the princeables aren't so different from the forerunners.

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Posted by: The Tomato
Why do we harbor and research weapons of mass destruction if they are so dangerous to us? Why do we harbor and research chemical weapons if they are so danerous to us? Maybe the princeables aren't so different from the forerunners.


Yeah, but if Nukes grew legs in Europe and were trying to cross seas into the U.S., then we would destroy Europe and only Europe, not the entire planets population.

  • 08.06.2004 9:01 PM PDT
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They had to blow it up cuz 343 would of activated it himself. Cortona said "That will buy us some time, unless the monitor can figure out how to activate halo without the index, we have to destroy Halo." I aint sure on how it was exactly said.

[Edited on 8/6/2004 9:11:26 PM]

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