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There's alot of great ideas here, but as it has been pointed out, ultimately the most effective way of dealing with superfluous posts is member feedback (ie. PMing moderators).

However a much easier and faster way would be a GameFaqs like system of thread/post marking. Each message would have a additional "report" button or something similar that, when pressed, would ask for a comfirmation and/or selection of the nature of the offense. A link to that thread/post would appear on a additional page that mods could access from their toolbar along with the amount of markings it has received from members to help determine priority. The mods would then do their thing.

Granted there would be those who would abuse the marking system but it wouldn't affect the forums and they would be easily identifiable by mods. You would also only be able to mark a thread/post once.
Another limitation that could be instigated could be an integration with the proposed Karma, or status system, only allowing more experienced members to freely mark posts.

[/my two cents]

  • 08.08.2004 2:15 PM PDT
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Woops. I just edited in a report post idea without seeing Surge's. :lol:

Though you wrote it up much better than I.

It's just that I was browsing christianforums.com, looking at all the features they have and which ones might be useful here.

[Edited on 8/8/2004 2:19:50 PM]

  • 08.08.2004 2:18 PM PDT
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Hehe, sorry.

  • 08.08.2004 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Surge
Hehe, sorry.


Don't be, you beat me by a full two minutes.

  • 08.08.2004 2:21 PM PDT
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Also, I'd like the forum to include a biography system. In a person's profile you should be able to view a, say 2000 character max biography about the person.

  • 08.08.2004 2:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: impurity
Cat fight!

Kidding. I don't know about all the report button things. That would be more stuff flamers and trolls could play with. They got nothing better to do.


Report post abuse, like posting abuse, results in punishment.

  • 08.08.2004 2:31 PM PDT
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More user features means more vulnerabilities and abuse by users. A karma system, for example, could be used as a tool for the spammers to gang up and bring good community members down. Promoting users and giving them more options like a custom avatar and custom descriptions will only breed animosity and jealousy between the new "1337" class and those who are "un-1337." "Rate this topic" and "Report this topic for violations" were always fun; there's nothing like sending all of the mods 50 or so PMs saying "omg lol ur pwnzed!1"

In short, I really don't think the system is broken. The spam "attacks" here have been laughable in their ineptitude and overall failure.

  • 08.08.2004 2:35 PM PDT

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One other possibility we're looking at is a kind of "karma" system. Basically, a new user would be limited to a crappy title, a limited set of avatars, and maybe some limitations on how much he can post.

To gain karma, various things can be done. A linked gamertag, time passing without being blacklisted, 7th column participation, etc. Lots of things could modify your "karma" either way. We could also put a button on post that people could click if they think the post is an especially good post. We would not put any negative feedback buttons or stuff like that, because that can be abused easily and some people wear negative feedback like a badge of honor.

Anyway, as these actions are recorded, your "karma" increases, granting rewards to the user. Things like granting the user special titles in the public forums, a expanded set of avatars only available to high karma users, and anything else we think of.

You might be wondering how this would help spamming. Well, one of the problems we have right now is that your identity is not very valuable. You can simply create a new passport and get a new login, and you don't really lose much: a similar name will tell everybody who you are. But what if you create a new login and you lost more than just a name? How about a title, your avatars, your reputation? All the neat little awards we could come up with, gone.

That, combined with a more effective admin system that the mods will be getting shortly, might do the trick. Anyway, that's my idea - any comments?


Somebody plays Shadowrun. But I like the Karma idea -- Just kinda miffed that Microsoft screwed up my XBL account -- I can still play, but I can't do anything else with it -- I can't even link it to my .net passport. I closed the account I opened my XBL account with, and I can't seem to do anything with it [the account] anymore.... Except play.

I'm gonna miss out on the BungieLove when Halo 2 goes live ::sniffles::

  • 08.08.2004 2:38 PM PDT
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As far as the rating post rating system (reputation system - private only to the reputer and the receiver), upon further consideration I think there SHOULD be a way to - rep people. However, to keep people from sporting their -reps, it shouldn't affect their rep amount in any way. They should just be able to get the comment.

  • 08.08.2004 2:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: impurity

I think the karma system would work if it was only maintained by Bungie and mods though.


Then it's too easy for people to accuse the mods and Bungie staff of playing favorites, or to claim that the mods and staff are out to get them.

[Edited on 8/8/2004 2:43:06 PM]

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Posted by: ajenteks
More user features means more vulnerabilities and abuse by users.


That's what I was saying. I think the karma system would work if it was only maintained by Bungie and mods though. Member interaction is what would allow spammers to reign. A system set up that runs automatically by post count, 7th Column blacklisting count, locked topic count, and sticky topic count seems to be what's coming out of this if anything.



I think it would work out great. Just set goal-points or milestones for the members. Say unlimited access is, oh I don't know -- 1000 points. You get 200 points for a linked gamertag, 1 point for each topic that isn't simply inane chatter or spam, -5 points for each spam topic, -10 points for spamming anothers thread, -5 points for a Seventh Column blacklisting, -5 points per flame, -1/-10 points for another member complaint (verified) that varies based on severity. Say at 50 points you are allowed to start more than 3 topics, at 100 points you lose the post per day limit, and you begin to recieve other priveliges as points warrant. And it would help moderators keep better track of people as well, if the moderators view included the ratings for the members on it...

And as Obbi pointed out (in a way) -- I don't think the members themselves should be able to see the ratings - only moderators.

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Posted by: ajenteks
Posted by: impurity

I think the karma system would work if it was only maintained by Bungie and mods though.


Then it's too easy for people to accuse the mods and Bungie staff of playing favorites, or to claim that the mods and staff are out to get them.


It would just serve as incentive for new members to be as active and respectful as possible in order to gain that kind of recognition. I really havent seen any sort of jealousy or accusations of picking favorites in other forums with these features.

Remember, you can't please everyone, so just please those who deserve it. ^_^

  • 08.08.2004 2:50 PM PDT
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Add a search option.

Open back up Chapter creation, and allow founders to make custom banners for the chapter's main page.

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7th column chapters should get improved forums with the ability to add subforums, if possible. I'd say at least three.

Allow founders to modify forum style, such as only showing topic titles, no cascading post lists. Founders should also be able to delegate titles to members that would show up the poster's info box.

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Not all ideas revolve around creating more user status levels (see my first post), but even then, that's not entirely accurate. No one is actually suggesting a "caste" system per se, just superficial benefeits to experienced forum-goers as both a reward and means of identifying those who can be trusted, both by Bungie and new members.

Like I said earlier, it hasn't caused problems on other boards I've seen with similar methods, so why would it here?

  • 08.08.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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Yo Halo53, I'm real happy for you and I'ma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best bungie.net profiles of all time. OF ALL TIME!

I didn't reea d many other replies but Rip kind of said what I was going to. It won't stop the spammers. They could, as he said, just wait and plan ahead. So I see what this could do. But making them wait won't do much. I still don't understand why we can't just ban someone's IP. They do it at many other sites and the person can't make another profile. If you put restrictions on joined date or earning your posts or whatever I'll be fine. I've already made plenty of helpful posts and I've been here for a couple years. I don't really think there is one solution for this but finding a way to ban someone and not let them back (IP banning) would be more effective. I've seen it at other sites with no problems...

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  • 08.08.2004 6:46 PM PDT

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One trend I've noticed in the feedback here that I don't agree with is making privileges dependant upon post-count. Raw number of posts means very little... in fact, I'm starting to think that high post-count should be PENALISED and not rewarded. Spamming and flooding are both prime causes for post-count inflation.

If you're going to do graduated privileges for the board here, base it upon calendar elapsed time (to encourage people to keep the same ID) or by moderator/admin feedback (to keep biases and electioneering to a minimum) or you'll end up encouraging the same bad behaviour that we're trying to stop.

Of course, if you do post rate analysis (posts/hr or posts/min) and generate an automatic break on excessive posting rate for a user then you might be able to use raw post count as a measure of participation... but not if you don't. And I don't much care for the idea even if you do compensate for spamming.

-- Steve notes it's not the size of your post count, but what you do with it that's important.

  • 08.08.2004 7:34 PM PDT