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Ah yes, a wonderful idea in concept..... If a spammer is dedicated (read as sad) enough, he will wait for any kind of probationary period you could think of. Your idea is good in regard to new users, they will be able to get into the swing of things, without the danger of getting flamed for posting a heavily discussed topic etc.
So, some good ideas with some flaws. I am by no means a computer programmeer or whatever, but from the way I see it, it will be very difficult to stop spamming full stop. There will always be someone out there willing to test the system, try and get in etc.
Maybe one day sketch, there will be a utopian community here. But, one day at a time sketch. One day at a time.......

  • 08.13.2004 1:47 AM PDT

Posted by: GameJunkieJim
...as Obbi pointed out (in a way) -- I don't think the members themselves should be able to see the ratings - only moderators.

[color=white]There are two sides to this argument.
If a member sees he has a low rating, depending on his nature and tendency toward reactionary behaviour, he might start bothering mods and/or complaining to everyone he can PM about his predicament.
On the other hand, I think letting everyone somehow access their rating might actually inspire members to try and attain a better rating, particularly if there are any sort of benefits attached to it. The quality of posts might increase, if not the quantity (and after November 9th, or at the latest the 11th, I don't think there will be a drought of posts or members here).

An idea akin to the "Ignore list": A friends list like the XBL system.
For example, I could go to My Profile and have a list of people I frequently PM. This would eliminate the need for a list of mods (for some people). It would be easier for those of us who try and help by PMing the mods with suspected or obvious spam to do so quickly.
As it is, I keep messages I get from fellow members who have interesting things to say so that I can easily jot a message to them if the need arises. I don't know if this affects anything on bungie.net, but in my limited computer experience, I imagine having several thousand members who have undeleted messages in their profiles doesn't help the system. Am I wrong on that last point?[/color]

  • 08.19.2004 10:49 PM PDT
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What honestly brings people to to say something in responce to spam? Is this the school playground or something? Oh, will you get put to the bottom of the social ecosystem if you don't say something back? If you are soo desperate to have a little flamewar on the internet than you are very inmature. This is the internet, and there are thousands apon thousands of web sites out there... if the stuff here is not what you like to discuss, go do it somewhere else where there are people who care.

Try and see the forums like that of a Mail Bag in a magazine, open to everyone to see, and if the spammers think that spamming would make them famous then they are dead wrong, the internet is massive and limitless, it dosen't matter who you are, you will not be remembered, or be famous... but instead disapair into nothingness. The best hope of ever being "popular" on websites is to be friendly, have good ideas and benifit and help the community towards becoming a better place, and maybe... just maybe you might make some good friends.

To all those who don't like "stupid" topics... start a "good" topic if you don't like the ones on offer or go to a different message board or even a different site.

As for the spammers, spamming does not make you "cool", and I honnestly do not see in any way how the hell it can be funny.

  • 08.20.2004 12:20 AM PDT

The War will wage forever; though with it's fury comes a peace that you will never know here.

This subject is kinda tough to think about.

However, I think that one of the two following rules could be used and be helpful.

1) Start a ZERO-TOLERANCE policy. Or, in essence, you do the wrong thing once, and BAM! You're gone. Of course, this could also be weighed towards just how bad the infraction was. If it was a racist comment, excessive flaming, or the posting of links to pornographic sites, (there are others on the list, but I cant think of them now), then it would be wise to simply remove them from posting permanently.

*A possible variant of this could also be to ban the person commiting the infraction for a certain amount of time; enough to dissuade them from breaking the rules again.*

-OR-

2) Start a 'Three Strikes and You're Out' policy. Unfortunately, this policy type would require a LOT of bookkeeping. You'd have to monitor each member. The only way to balance that out would be to get more moderators (the current ones are doing a fine job).

A nice thing about this policy is that if people decide that they were JOKING (probably not what they thought at first, but hey), and that they want a second chance.



Now, If I had to choose among the two, I'd pick the first. It could very well force people to not be @ssholes from the start, and would make them think twice if they actually wish to stay.

Right. That's it.

[EDIT] I've just read the post by Achronos about the karma system. I like it. It's innovative and rewarding/harsh depending on the person.

[Edited on 8/21/2004 9:14:49 PM]

  • 08.21.2004 9:09 PM PDT
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Sketch buddy you have done it again!Another good idea!

I do belive that the so called "restrictions" is a great idea. But whats in it for the current Bungie.net Members, new features, a little more info on halo2 ;).

But seriously, the whole "earning" thing is a great idea, mabye you could add some kind of rewards program kinda thing, like what mastercard has, but without the money and make it lets say... "be a moderator for a day!" That would be cool.

I do see the reason for this thread to be here, because of flamers, and spammers. More spammers then flammers. Flammers can be warned and such. Spammers are usually computer programs and a harder to filter out of the system. I hope you can find a way out of the mess. You got us this far Bungie.net, don't fail us now.

But remember, we are here as intellectual support for you mods and comunity fellers. :)

PEACE

  • 08.21.2004 9:10 PM PDT
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but when new people join they like to post in every thing and any thing just cause that the only way to get known quickly and you have all this hype built up about the topics and the people after takeing the time to sign up. but spamers do the same thing in a negative way makeing them hard to catch this comes for my time spent moding at a large fourms

  • 08.21.2004 10:11 PM PDT

One other possibility we're looking at is a kind of "karma" system. Basically, a new user would be limited to a crappy title, a limited set of avatars, and maybe some limitations on how much he can post.

To gain karma, various things can be done. A linked gamertag, time passing without being blacklisted, 7th column participation, etc. Lots of things could modify your "karma" either way. We could also put a button on post that people could click if they think the post is an especially good post. We would not put any negative feedback buttons or stuff like that, because that can be abused easily and some people wear negative feedback like a badge of honor.
Anyway, as these actions are recorded, your "karma" increases, granting rewards to the user. Things like granting the user special titles in the public forums, a expanded set of avatars only available to high karma users, and anything else we think of.


Alas, I have joined this discussion a tad late, so here are my views.

* You forget human nature- and how greedy some people are. Anyone could simply go in and make another account, then proceed to press the “karma” button in every one of their master login’s posts. It’s something that is extremely easy and effective, and yet one could change their Karma dramatically- he could, with no trouble, pass any honest user in no time whatsoever. I see only one way to solve this problem, and that’s to only let someone entirely trustworthy (mods, Bungie employees) be able to add karma points using the posts’ karma button. Otherwise we have some lazy idiots trying to make themselves popular in the shortest amount of time possible.

* If somehow we have just one person with very hi karma who is a jerk, then we run the risk of new users trying to act like him. For example, mithander(I think that's how you spell it) was a troll, and yet I noticed that some newer users admired him greatly. If we had the karma system going he would have had a fairly high rating because of the new, inexperienced users giving him points. He would then have followers (because of his karma) and a snowball effect would start.

* I see no other real problem in Achronos' idea- other than people would wear the karma as a status symbol to impress other users, and consider themselves "better" than everyone below them. I fear that if we go ahead with this we could have someone who is abusive with their karma and status, and boss everyone else around because they feel they are more powerful than their lower-karma brethren.

  • 08.22.2004 9:04 AM PDT
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Personally this sounds alot like Gfaqs "Karma" much like many of you have already stated... it goes by the number of days you have been around (by posting at least once a day gets you 1 Karma) the person has BUT you can lose Karma if you are being naughty... but no one get special privlages it's really just a sense of control... seeing how new users act only posting 5 messages a day and if they are under control then they will slowly advance and be able to post daily..
For examply say this guy Level 31 Karma (150 posts and up) which have no posting restrictions (ie a limited number of posts a day) and no topic creating restrictoin (same as posting) and this guy tarts mouthing off some "N00b" or posts off topic thing or spams the whole lot. All a person (anyone) has to do is report that post to the moderators for whatever that person did wrong... the more the people report the more the Mods will pay attention (usually they dont worry about the guys with only 1 reprot) and they read the post over and disapline the user so fit. They can take 10, 20, 30 even 50 karma away depending on how serious the situation is, they even have the power to close the account or bust him back down to Level 1 Karma (1 post allowed a day NO topic creations).
I know it sounds complicated but I can explain it to one of the mods in great detail if they want... I'll be happy to help infact PM me if you can and i'll help you guys out the best i can...

Shifty

[Edited on 8/22/2004 3:20:22 PM]

  • 08.22.2004 3:16 PM PDT
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I think a two day waiting period for accounts would be nice

A two day waiting period? You're kidding right? So, if someone comes here for the first time and wants to comment on something they have to wait two days before they can? And you think they'd bother waiting around?

(And you're a moderator? Sheesh...)

  • 09.23.2004 12:36 PM PDT