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Urk, I have a question. Even if this map doesn't make it into matchmaking (here's hoping it does, you worked hard man and it looks like a really fun map) will we still be able to get our hands on the map through the community to download, or are they trashed which seems like a waste? I think all the maps you guys create during this period should be obtainable in some way even if they don't seem right for matchmaking people may still like to play on them. And throughout these posts I've been trying to figure out the budget of ForgeWorld. Is it 10,000, 9,999 or something else? For such a large map it seems like a small budget or even modest one isn't enough to Forge it out.

  • 08.02.2010 5:59 PM PDT

j grizzly14 is a beast, trust me i know him.

Disagree.
Just because sniping is fun doesn't mean you have to put snipers on the map. That would be extremely unbalanced.

  • 08.02.2010 6:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Schmittler 5000
I hate to point this out and slam urk's knowledge or mistakes, but didn't Chief say " I need a weapon" in Halo: CE right when he came out of the cyro pod? Don't mean to be a jerk about it, I liked where the joke was going too.

OT: The map looks surprisingly good. Then again, all could change when it's played, but it looks enjoyable.


Chief didn't say anything when he climbed out of the cryopod, just looked over at the serviceman. He doesn't first talk until the cutscene where he meets Captain Keyes, and doesn't talk again until the escape pod on the way down to halo.

From then on? I can't seem to remember. Cortana and marines usually do all the talking. I actually don't think he talks again until the end of that one level where you meet Spark.

  • 08.02.2010 6:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: j grizzly14
Disagree.
Just because sniping is fun doesn't mean you have to put snipers on the map. That would be extremely unbalanced.


Agreed. The fact that you (you being the one who brought up the need for a sniper), as a near professional sniper, would be comfortable sniping on this map does not mean the the sniper should have a map, nor that the map was designed to handle a sniper. DMRs will likely be the primary ranged weapon on Riptide, with most players handling an Assault Rifle and Magnum.

The shotgun will be useful on the close-quarter catwalks and the rocket launcher will be essential in storming bases and dominating chaotic platform, in addition to generating some commotion itself.


On another note, you compared Jurkout/Riptide with Guardian. That is your mistake. Because these are different games where players take damage differently and the sniper rifle behaves in a different way. Even if you were a pro in the beta, it was likely tweaked since. So your fine-tuned sniping instincts that have been refined to the merciless carnage-engine that is halo three are not to be credited in a discussion about a game that, lets face it, you have no solid experience in.

  • 08.02.2010 6:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Malloy05
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Really looking nice :) Hoping it does well during play test.

  • 08.02.2010 6:52 PM PDT

Awwright.

Answer these fine gentlemen, Urk. Do you think you can get a video of a playtest or two? I know I'd watch it.

  • 08.02.2010 7:09 PM PDT

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Urk, don't you feel it might still be a little camp-prone with every path to the upper levels being by mancannon or grav-lift?

So far every path into the heart of Blue base leads through one of three lifts. Enough for 3 members of Blue Team to each camp and grenade spam, snipe or assassinate at the lift's LZ.

Why not "ramp it up" a bit on those side platforms, right up into Blue's initial spawn? It may need some revision of the existing Blue ends of the side platforms, but I think it would pay off.

Ramps leading up needn't rule out keeping a secondary path to the central lift from the side platforms, allowing for more choice for Reds making for the heart of Blue.

Something to balance out the variety of accessibility to Red and the BR-scratch that, Shwatgun tower (jump down or shoot from any of five lofty perches and proceed).

[Edited on 08.02.2010 8:50 PM PDT]

  • 08.02.2010 7:12 PM PDT

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Coming along sweet, Urk. I'd love to play on Jurkout, looks like fun.

  • 08.02.2010 8:12 PM PDT

Looking good, can we get a video of you playing on it, that would be awesome. Trying it out when Reach finally launches will be great too. Love the kiddy pool haha, Rocket Run!!

  • 08.02.2010 8:36 PM PDT

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I like sniping

Looks awesome.

  • 08.02.2010 8:42 PM PDT

So I'm pretty new to Bungie.net, and I haven't really comment on anything yet. I have been reading your previous articles about building stuff with the updated version of Forge. You have gotten me so much more excited for Reach. Please keep these articles up, they make the wait for Reach slightly easier.

  • 08.02.2010 8:44 PM PDT

Very nice map and very nice screenshots.

I think these are very neat and cool.
xD

  • 08.02.2010 8:47 PM PDT

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Give us a video of a full match you had while playtesting! :P


Haha yes! I second that! I wanna see the map from a gameplay perspective because it actually looks like a blast to play. (clever use of the water btw)
Agreed.

I love coming to these forums and have your thoughts already voiced several times over!

  • 08.02.2010 9:35 PM PDT
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so wait how far under water can objects go can you make a whole map in an underwater base? if so thats awsome

  • 08.02.2010 10:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: defnop552
wow, my dick broke so i ain't getting it for a while!

UPDATE: Defnop552 has confirmed he has fixed his dick.

Urk, you'd better have this map in your fileshare when the game launches. Because I'm definitely downloading it.

  • 08.02.2010 10:15 PM PDT

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Oh, wow. Gravity lifts are lookin' snazzy and so is your map, urk.

  • 08.02.2010 10:24 PM PDT

looks great cant wait for reach i loved the old forge but now that we dont have to cheat foe ghost merging(phasing)it will make making a map a lot faster + can you Phase any item like machine gun turrets?

  • 08.02.2010 11:20 PM PDT

These tools for forge are going to allow people with imagination (yet short fuses and/or little patience) to enter into forge with a feeling of ease. So many good maps are going to come out. It'll literally burst at the seams.

I hope Bungie supports the Reach community for a long time to come.

  • 08.03.2010 12:34 AM PDT

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Arena+ Team Slayer, BTB, Team Objective, Rumble Pit, 2v2, Multi Team, Team Snipers & SWAT


Posted by: poshbutt
looks great cant wait for reach i loved the old forge but now that we dont have to cheat foe ghost merging(phasing)it will make making a map a lot faster + can you Phase any item like machine gun turrets?


No, ferrex said in the Q&A that movable objects will pop right out when they spawn, so no invulnerable ceiling machine gunning. Or crazy drivable abominations.

Am I the only one seeing Urk's blatant abuse of authorship as an excuse to make increasingly arbitrary references to 80's pop culture? Blue Lagoon, ED-209, now this? If it's a reference to the T.V. show, I'm not getting the punchline...

[Edited on 08.03.2010 1:37 AM PDT]

  • 08.03.2010 1:18 AM PDT


Posted by: SD2522
Dear Urk,

Needs more weapons. Sniper, Focus Rifle, Grenade Launcher, Concussion Rifle or anything else you'd like to have. Take your pick.

Love,

Me


Dear SD2522,

It is highly unlikely that Urk showed all of the weapons on the map. Really, there is only like 4? No way.

Love,

Me

Urk, any chance we will get to play these maps you and the rest of the Bungie employees have made when the game ships? Other than the 5 or 6 built-in variants, obviously.

  • 08.03.2010 1:42 AM PDT

Awesome work man.

I'm totally hooked, keep 'em comin!

Good luck!

  • 08.03.2010 2:42 AM PDT
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Not all maps are made for snipers, this map would be unbalanced with 1 or 2 snipers. A dmr in every base is a good idea but i would place some other weapons in it as well like a plasma repeater or a needler(or other midrange weapons) so you can chose wich weapon you like to use other than a assault rifle or a pistol. I think sniping in halo reach will be harder because you can't shoot 2 quick shots in the body.
still the sniper is too powerfull on this map.

  • 08.03.2010 3:09 AM PDT

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Dropdead Fred reference? Dig it.

Map looks sweet, should definitely be in the shipped game and is nothing to be ashamed of brosif.

  • 08.03.2010 4:56 AM PDT

Pretty awsome, but I prefered the name Jurkout :/
If I have one proper piece of crititism it's probably that there aren't enough weapons on the map. But anyway, good luck with the Playtest!

  • 08.03.2010 5:19 AM PDT

this awsomeness only makes me wonder what other maps are being made? I have this idea for a CTF map where a pirate ship is on the beach and they have to go get the flag from a cave on the island... not sure if they will have pirate ships in the future. One can only hope!

  • 08.03.2010 6:18 AM PDT

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