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The fact that the Halo PC community has been ignored since Halo 1 is ridiculous. Halo 2 sucked monkey balls and shouldn't even be considered a PC game. For the love of god we don't want Halo 3 for PC or Halo Reach for PC! Just give the community some well deserved and needed updates for Halo 1. Visual Flair can be shoved up your ass we deserve better.

[Edited on 08.11.2010 6:57 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2010 6:56 PM PDT

yea thats the way to ask a developer!!

  • 08.11.2010 7:28 PM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: Divined Bullet
The fact that the Halo PC community has been ignored since Halo 1 is ridiculous. Halo 2 sucked monkey balls and shouldn't even be considered a PC game. For the love of god we don't want Halo 3 for PC or Halo Reach for PC! Just give the community some well deserved and needed updates for Halo 1. Visual Flair can be shoved up your ass we deserve better.
I 100% agree with this, but I'm gonna have to disagree with Halo 1.

I say go screw Halo 1, it's because of that damn game the modding community never bothered with any other game, and now look it's dead.

F*** Halo 1 PC and Custom Edition to hell.

I want Halo 2 Vista supported and updated to the level it can be playable enough to properly support Online co-op and many synchronizing features like Halo 3/ODST and Reach, and don't forget we want a full map creating tool.

Halo 1 is crap, I don't give a toss about an old game with crappy physics.

I am sorry if this is coming of as a flame, people staying on Halo 1, is like people staying on Windows XP.

[Edited on 08.11.2010 7:56 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2010 7:51 PM PDT
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Halo 2 sucks!

  • 08.11.2010 7:59 PM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: Divined Bullet
Halo 2 sucks!
Just because Halo 1 is old and a classic, doesn't mean it can be made better.

Have you even seen the upgrades made to these newer Halo games?
in their game engines, in their map formats, and also more tags.

Did you also notice Halo 1 has reached the end of it's support lifecycle?
1.09 although arrived late after this date and is the last ever update Halo 1 PC/CE will ever receive.

Halo 2 Vista can still be supported, I would go on to say it's better to support this game, because there are no pirates on this game as there are on Halo 1 PC/CE.

Look at all those hacks that make it easy to pirate Halo 1 PC/CE, and crappy netcode.

The second that Halo 2 Vista is supported with a full HEK, engine upgrades, and a modding community, is the second Halo 1 PC/CE dies.

[Edited on 08.11.2010 8:15 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2010 8:07 PM PDT
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Yes, I am a hypocrite, and I'm sorry. I really do mean well, but I'm not running on all cylinders.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Microsoft has buried H2V and only technically claims to support it. Do you ever wonder why so few people play H2V when MS support reps claim tend of thousands of copies were sold? It's because most people can't even get it to run, and if they do they can't get online to play with others. Both Halo PC ports are broken, but I'm of the opinion that Halo PC is less broken. Maybe this is all different from a modding point of view, but I'm just a game player.

PS it really ticks watching people come here and brag about their leet mods when so many of us are still struggling to play in the first place. Why don't modders do something useful and helpful to others?

[Edited on 08.11.2010 10:24 PM PDT]

  • 08.11.2010 10:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Divined Bullet
The fact that the Halo PC community has been ignored since Halo 1 is ridiculous. Halo 2 sucked monkey balls and shouldn't even be considered a PC game. For the love of god we don't want Halo 3 for PC or Halo Reach for PC! Just give the community some well deserved and needed updates for Halo 1. Visual Flair can be shoved up your ass we deserve better.


And you are? ........ Right.

last I checked sawnose pushed an update not all that terrible long ago. He already stated that overhauls such as the rendering engine, net-code, and general overall appearance of the game will not change because he cannot take those on in his spare time. You, nor anyone else here has a right to -blam!- about what sawnose or any of the other devs do to help support a community that is still going after 6-7 years down the road.

  • 08.12.2010 6:28 AM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: n357
PS it really ticks watching people come here and brag about their leet mods when so many of us are still struggling to play in the first place. Why don't modders do something useful and helpful to others?
Well I hope you don't mean me. xD
I don't ever call myself a leet modder, unless I have a leet program, and I'm doing my co-op videos through memory edits and because H2V was a crap port, I experience alot of game crashes. ='(


The reason why modders and programmers never bothered with Halo 2 Vista because, in their minds they saw Halo 2 and H2V as waste.

ShadowSpartan's (zteam) words may be evil, but it's truth, any games that come after Halo Custom Edition is a waste to the Halo modding community, that is why they (not just zteam) won't bother fixing map creation for Halo 2 Vista.

They do know how, but the scale level of care is like this -10.
-10 being that he attempts to flame anyone supporting H2V through posts and -reputation points.

Nothing can ever change their minds, not even me.

[Edited on 08.14.2010 6:42 AM PDT]

  • 08.14.2010 5:52 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Shock120
The second that Halo 2 Vista is supported with a full HEK, engine upgrades, and a modding community, is the second Halo 1 PC/CE dies.

People don't prefer HPC over H2V because of the ease of modding. People prefer HPC because H2V is a noobified tardfest that's not worth playing. This is PC gaming, kid. People prefer games that require at least a decent amount of skill. Nobody wants to play a game that a 3 year old could pick up and play effectively. At least, not on PC. So if that's the kinda stuff you're into, you'd best just stay on the consoles and keep pretending to pwn.

Posted by: Dirk_Gently
last I checked sawnose pushed an update not all that terrible long ago. He already stated that overhauls such as the rendering engine, net-code, and general overall appearance of the game will not change because he cannot take those on in his spare time. You, nor anyone else here has a right to -blam!- about what sawnose or any of the other devs do to help support a community that is still going after 6-7 years down the road.

No kidding. Apparently the OP is new to this whole mess.

  • 08.14.2010 9:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shock120
The reason why modders and programmers never bothered with Halo 2 Vista because, in their minds they saw Halo 2 and H2V as waste.

ShadowSpartan's (zteam) words may be evil, but it's truth, any games that come after Halo Custom Edition is a waste to the Halo modding community, that is why they (not just zteam) won't bother fixing map creation for Halo 2 Vista.

They do know how, but the scale level of care is like this -10.
-10 being that he attempts to flame anyone supporting H2V through posts and -reputation points.

Nothing can ever change their minds, not even me.

Nothing will change our minds, unless the game gets an overhaul. Reach on the PC is way more likely than that.

We all want to see another Halo game come to the PC. If it's decent, we'll move onto that. We talk constantly about wanting to move onto the newer, better engine. We HATE the limitations of Halo CE.

So why don't we improve Halo 2 Vista? Because it's too broken to fix. You have absolutely no idea how many problems that game has, and how it's not even remotely worth the time or effort to fix. Sure, we have limited tag extraction tools, but it's extremely difficult to be able to rip tags into a working form. The H2EK Guerilla isn't a help at all when it comes to invalid/broken blocks in the tags, unlike the HEK for Halo CE. So, finding and fixing problems is almost lucky guessing, and you don't even know if changing one thing will fix break another.

Now, say we have working tag extraction, and a full set of GOOD tags was released (unlike the ones shipped with the game which are corrupt). What can be done with them? Too much code was stripped from the editing kit which would make thing we do in Halo CE impossible. This is the same reason we can't do recorded animations with Halo CE, or the reason we can't improve the netcode. All we'd be able to do is make simple multiplayer maps, but we can already do that well enough with H2V.

The actual game is impossible to modify as well. As you may or may not know, if you attempt to modify the game in memory at all on launch, it will say that the exe is corrupt. This makes anything like OpenSauce impossible, since there's no way to change the way the game works. You might be able to make small memory edits, but OpenSauce doesn't and CAN'T work that way.

The problems don't just stop there, however. There's also the problems with multiplayer in general. Why support a game which is literally BROKEN? The server browser sometimes doesn't work, the dedicated server sucks, you can't ban people, it's WAY too easy to cheat, there's no rcon, you can easily spoof a Gamertag, you even require a dedicated machine to run a server.

So shut the hell up, because your constant whining about how you think we aren't doing anything to save this community is pissing me off. I didn't understand why the other members were jumping down your throat, but now you're really getting to me with your ignorance. There's a reason (actually several) that our Buyer's Remorse letter is a whopping 9 pages long. It's not that we're selfish. It would be like giving a heart transplant to someone with lung disease and an inoperable brain tumor.

  • 08.14.2010 10:34 AM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: DusK
People don't prefer HPC over H2V because of the ease of modding. People prefer HPC because H2V is a noobified tardfest that's not worth playing. This is PC gaming, kid. People prefer games that require at least a decent amount of skill. Nobody wants to play a game that a 3 year old could pick up and play effectively. At least, not on PC. So if that's the kinda stuff you're into, you'd best just stay on the consoles and keep pretending to pwn.
DusK, shut up and get out.
Since when did modders care about noobified gaming?
Don't go shoving your hardcore standards onto my modding standards.

Did I play this game for skill? nope.
Do I have any montages? nope.
Do I care too much about winning like you do? nope.

Do you really think H2V was abandoned because of not catering to hardcore gameplay? then you really are an idiot.

It's all because of crappy port this, crappy port that and H2EK junked and I'm not going to a limited p.o.s called the console.

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@ jcap

making that letter shows you do care, but your reason for not supporting this game is the reason I would've gone with, it is too much to handle and with every bit of it being fail, saying the game sucks is ok, because I know it's true. xD

I don't like the people who say they don't care, and jump down on those who do, like they can't stay away, well enough alone.

I just hope Halo Reach can be released for PC, and the modding community can go back to halomod days.

[Edited on 08.14.2010 2:12 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2010 1:40 PM PDT

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that is some pretty big talk. step it down a bit. You are not all that high and mighty are you?

  • 08.14.2010 3:10 PM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: Dirk_Gently
that is some pretty big talk. step it down a bit. You are not all that high and mighty are you?
nope.

  • 08.14.2010 3:26 PM PDT
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What a fail topic, mixed opinions from multiple people and no one understands each other.

@ OP
You don't speak for the whole of Halo 1 community, they speak for themselves, and so far there is no uproar of this, it would be pointless, you should be greatful that your product key has more meaning.

on another note.
If Microsoft want's to fix some bad press they've had since Halo 2 Vista I suggest they fix the game. We can say Windows 7 is the fix for Windows Vista, however there is none for Halo 2 Vista.

[Edited on 08.14.2010 3:49 PM PDT]

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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Posted by: Shock120
DusK, shut up and get out.

Nope. Been on this board for 6 years, and I aint leavin' yet.

But I'm gonna see if I can enlighten you. Sit down and really think. Why the hell would HCE have such a booming modding community compared to H2V? It really boils down to two reasons. First off, the gameplay's better.

Modders are less likely to use a game as a base if the game is a complete sack of fail. And Halo 2 is a complete sack of fail. It's inferior to H1 in just about every way. The gameplay feels clunky, weapon balance is completely thrown out the window, and you don't even have to aim for yourself to get your kills. I'm just skinning the iceberg here, but there's nothing there worth making content for.

Secondly, you can do more with Gearbox's HEK than the tools released for H2V. Simple reason there.

H2V was abandoned because it catered to little kids who swipe snipe, miss by 3 feet and get the headshot anyway because of the game's noobified gameplay, and suddenly think they're God's gift to gaming. This definitely shows; If you look at the two communities, the difference in intelligence is clear. Halo 2 is just an all around crap game. Why would PC gamers bother with it when there are better games out there for free?

  • 08.14.2010 5:22 PM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: DusK
Why the hell would HCE have such a booming modding community compared to H2V? It really boils down to two reasons. First off, the gameplay's better.
ok, you're right there.Secondly, you can do more with Gearbox's HEK than the tools released for H2V. Simple reason there.I haven't once made real "content*" for Halo 2 Vista and you're right it sucks, at most I can do is edit memory, and that's all I could ever do for this pos game.

*Eh, I only did a mainmenu mod...xDH2V was abandoned because it catered to little kids who swipe snipe, miss by 3 feet and get the headshot anyway because of the game's noobified gameplay,I do agree with gameplay to a certain degree, aiming for yourself in quick succession is skill. =)

Not only was H2V designed for children, but all features were too, dedicated servers. I guess that's why I hated H2V so much, I could've killed it literally...

[Edited on 08.14.2010 5:44 PM PDT]

  • 08.14.2010 5:41 PM PDT
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I've made it my life goal to never become too stressed. So if I appear to be doing nothing all the time and generally never working particularly hard on any task, that's my plan in action.

I agree with DusK, CE has a bigger community mainly because of the tools for CE compared to the tools from Halo 2 Vista.

Also Halo 2 Vista lacks the quantity and quality of what you can do compared to maps from CE such as Hugeass, Cold Snap and Extinction.

  • 08.14.2010 6:45 PM PDT

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BUNGIE AND MICROSOFT FAILS HALO 2 VISTA.

Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

Posted by: AQZ
I agree with DusK, CE has a bigger community mainly because of the tools for CE compared to the tools from Halo 2 Vista.

Also Halo 2 Vista lacks the quantity and quality of what you can do compared to maps from CE such as Hugeass, Cold Snap and Extinction.
lol, I wish those could be made, but the fact they deliberately limit creation pisses me off.

Here's hoping to a Halo 3 or Halo Reach PC. =)
If there is a case where Microsoft didn't learn from Halo 2 Xbox/Vista, I do hope no one passes the opportunity for that awesome netcode. xD

[Edited on 08.15.2010 5:38 AM PDT]

  • 08.15.2010 5:11 AM PDT