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Subject: I won't miss this game :/
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I'm a 50, and I won't miss the game either. I'll miss some things about it, but overall, Reach is a much, much, much better game, imo.

  • 08.21.2010 12:33 PM PDT

Oh man quit complainging

  • 08.21.2010 12:35 PM PDT


Posted by: OMG Champi0n
Actually the point of ranked isn't really leveling up in skill, but rather matching you against other competitive gamers around your skill level.

And the system does make sense. You win, you go up, you lose, you go down. Simple as that. Win enough and you will eventually get a 50.


I don't agree that all the fun is gone from Halo 3, but I do disagree with this post here.

The point of Halo 3's system is indeed to match you up against your own skill level, but the problem Forge Pro is trying to make, which I agree with, is that Halo 3's population is ruining that system.

Too many people out there want to feel like they are God and pad their medal chest with impressive medals so they make new accounts and play at level 25 when on their main account they are a 50.

You will also see tons and tons of people who either quit, hop up and down, or betray to ensure their team loses and ensure that they look bad to the system so that when they play with their friends they boost them to level 50 faster.

The system itself isn't that bad at all. It's very good of Bungie to try and match people against their own skill, but it's too easy to maniuplate. One can play against the skill that is easy to them by simply making a new account or they can lose a lot and make the system think they are bad, then boost others up while winning while looking like they suck.

Halo 3 would be a lot more fun in ranked games if people stuck to their skill level, but because the addiction some people have to getting 50s, exterminations, and perfections, this will never happen.

  • 08.21.2010 12:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Forge Pro
Actually I'm 49. And yes I haven't got a 50, spam the abuse I can't get one skill, but that is Halo, and yes there are derankers at my level.


id hate the game to if i was a 49 and one level away lol, but im a 48 and 2 away :(

  • 08.21.2010 12:40 PM PDT

Never give up and eventuly you will win.
Can't stop me or break me down.
I am a christian.

Who cares if the people have 50s don't deserve them? Leave them be, pwn them whenever you're in the same game as them. Because in the end they'll be sitting around somewhere going
"Dang, that's a month I won't get back."

  • 08.21.2010 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: An average gamer

Posted by: OMG Champi0n
Actually the point of ranked isn't really leveling up in skill, but rather matching you against other competitive gamers around your skill level.

And the system does make sense. You win, you go up, you lose, you go down. Simple as that. Win enough and you will eventually get a 50.


I don't agree that all the fun is gone from Halo 3, but I do disagree with this post here.

The point of Halo 3's system is indeed to match you up against your own skill level, but the problem Forge Pro is trying to make, which I agree with, is that Halo 3's population is ruining that system.

Too many people out there want to feel like they are God and pad their medal chest with impressive medals so they make new accounts and play at level 25 when on their main account they are a 50.

You will also see tons and tons of people who either quit, hop up and down, or betray to ensure their team loses and ensure that they look bad to the system so that when they play with their friends they boost them to level 50 faster.

The system itself isn't that bad at all. It's very good of Bungie to try and match people against their own skill, but it's too easy to maniuplate. One can play against the skill that is easy to them by simply making a new account or they can lose a lot and make the system think they are bad, then boost others up while winning while looking like they suck.

Halo 3 would be a lot more fun in ranked games if people stuck to their skill level, but because the addiction some people have to getting 50s, exterminations, and perfections, this will never happen.


So you disagree with my post, but you agree with both of the points I made?


Posted by: An average gamer

The point of Halo 3's system is indeed to match you up against your own skill level



Posted by: An average gamer

The system itself isn't that bad at all.

  • 08.21.2010 12:55 PM PDT


Posted by: OMG Champi0n

Stuff


My point mainly was to say that the system was good, but you seemed to be defending its use whereas I was saying why it shouldn't be used.

  • 08.21.2010 1:05 PM PDT
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I am Harpuia, Ventus Airus

Halo has changed. It's no longer about multiplayer, fun, or gameplay. It's an endless series of boosting fought by little kids and derankers. Halo - and its consumption of players - has become a horrible boosting game. Little kids use LVL 50 accounts and try to fight real players. The age of fun has become the age of boosting...All in the name of getting LVL 50 accounts to show off. When Multiplayer is under total control of boosters/derankers...Halo becomes boring.
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  • 08.21.2010 1:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: An average gamer

Posted by: OMG Champi0n

Stuff


My point mainly was to say that the system was good, but you seemed to be defending its use whereas I was saying why it shouldn't be used.


Now you are saying that the system is good, but it still shouldn't be used, which doesn't make sense.

Besides, I believe the same system is still used in Reach, the Trueskill is just hidden. The OP seems to have a problem with the visible ranks, although it doesn't affect his gameplay at all.

  • 08.21.2010 1:17 PM PDT
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wow did u not just read what he posted?

  • 08.21.2010 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: JakeH99
wow did u not just read what he posted?


*Sigh* Yes, I did read his post. He says that the system is good, and I say that the system is good. There are derankers and stuff, but is it directly the system's fault?

  • 08.21.2010 1:23 PM PDT

~Beauty of Simplicity~


Posted by: Overlord_Laharl
Halo has changed. It's no longer about multiplayer, fun, or gameplay. It's an endless series of boosting fought by little kids and derankers. Halo - and its consumption of players - has become a horrible boosting game. Little kids use LVL 50 accounts and try to fight real players. The age of fun has become the age of boosting...All in the name of getting LVL 50 accounts to show off. When Multiplayer is under total control of boosters/derankers...Halo becomes boring.
From mgs4


Unfortunately, but this is why Reach is looking so promising -- the arena will quickly make the boosters visible - due to season ranks - and the other playlists have a hidden true skill. It should be good.

  • 08.21.2010 1:25 PM PDT

Let Slip The Dogs Of War.

Ranked might not be fun anymore due to de-rankers but social is still good majority of the time :)

  • 08.21.2010 3:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Overlord_Laharl
Halo has changed. It's no longer about multiplayer, fun, or gameplay. It's an endless series of boosting fought by little kids and derankers. Halo - and its consumption of players - has become a horrible boosting game. Little kids use LVL 50 accounts and try to fight real players. The age of fun has become the age of boosting...All in the name of getting LVL 50 accounts to show off. When Multiplayer is under total control of boosters/derankers...Halo becomes boring.
From mgs4


This is the basic point I was trying to get across to be honest. The multiplayer has got to the level now when this is all you get and Reach could come no sooner, by exploiting the system the game loses its fun touch.
At first, I thought how could you get rid of the skill system, unlike CoD it doesn't take time, it actually takes a bit of skill, but it really doesn't anymore, I remember going into social big team, seeing a 50, and thinking, wow we have one (3 years ago). Now it different, 9/10 50's if you ask them will say; My 50 is in dubs. No disrespect to dubs, I have a 45 in it. But the majority are boosted by these derankers.
First, the Katana was special, then common. 50 was special, now common. And finally Recon was amazing, now common. The game had to end :/

  • 08.22.2010 3:23 AM PDT

This is the problem with TrueSkill it seems fair and balanced but very easy to break. You don't need to play to win just be on the winning team and you go up. I will admit CoD has a better system but it's still not good tons of people cheat on CoD and far to easy to progress.

Now I don't think putting the blame on people who have multiple accounts is smart either. I could just have used a 1 month because I didn't want to have a stash of them pilled up in my room, so I played some halo. I have done this in the years I actually played halo. Or I could have never played xbox picked halo and joined live and found this game easy to play. That also happens.

The blame should go on Bungie for not providing a system that isn't easliy cheated. Or enforcing rules on people who attmempt to cheat it. Instead of awarding the boosters and the people who play with them, Bungie should subtract points thus ending boosting.

  • 08.22.2010 5:28 AM PDT
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I am Harpuia, Ventus Airus

I think we should have an option to send in clips of AFK players or the people who go to team doubles and start shooting at you to lower your shields, they would have the evidence to prove it thanks to theater mode.

  • 08.22.2010 5:31 AM PDT


Posted by: OMG Champi0n
Now you are saying that the system is good, but it still shouldn't be used, which doesn't make sense.

Besides, I believe the same system is still used in Reach, the Trueskill is just hidden. The OP seems to have a problem with the visible ranks, although it doesn't affect his gameplay at all.

It does make sense that the system is good, but shouldn't be used. The grounds for the system are decent, but the population which uses the system manipulates them and finds ways around how it works. If you read the long post I wrote I go over exactly how this is done.

Halo Reach does use a similar system and hides it, but this will still discourage people from manipulating the system because there is nothing to show off anymore. People could claim to be a level 50, but it would all be guessing.

  • 08.22.2010 5:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: An average gamer

Posted by: OMG Champi0n
Now you are saying that the system is good, but it still shouldn't be used, which doesn't make sense.

Besides, I believe the same system is still used in Reach, the Trueskill is just hidden. The OP seems to have a problem with the visible ranks, although it doesn't affect his gameplay at all.

It does make sense that the system is good, but shouldn't be used. The grounds for the system are decent, but the population which uses the system manipulates them and finds ways around how it works. If you read the long post I wrote I go over exactly how this is done.

Halo Reach does use a similar system and hides it, but this will still discourage people from manipulating the system because there is nothing to show off anymore. People could claim to be a level 50, but it would all be guessing.


I repeat my question again: is it actually the system's fault if people are deranking etc?

I don't think so.

Indeed, now there are the Divisions instead of actual ranks. But like you said, manipulating the system is pretty much useless because they reset them after an x amount of time. However, I still haven't understood the OP's problem, because it doesn't affect his gameplay in any way even if he encounters some bad 50s or good lowranks.

  • 08.22.2010 7:47 AM PDT
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I'm just a guy who loves achievement hunting, i've been doing it ever since i got my xbox. I also love racing games and cows, that's how i got my name..."nitrocowz" :D

We don't need your whole life story here. Everyone knows there will always be derankers/boosters in any game.

  • 08.22.2010 7:54 AM PDT


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We don't need your whole life story here. Everyone knows there will always be derankers/boosters in any game.


Right, but with reach there is no need for second accounters or derankers/boosters. Even bridging host is null since we can search our region now instead of matching with players across the ocean.

I like how Bungie is trying their best to fix certain issues with the ranking system which is caused by players manipulating it.

  • 08.22.2010 10:34 AM PDT

man i am exited for Halo reach.. my favorite halo games are halo then halo 1 than halo 3.. If you need help on campiagn i'll help..


Posted by: Forge Pro
So at first I was thinking, how can you beat a game like this, forge, customs, theatre, a great campaign and multiplayer. But hey the multiplayer isn't hard to beat.
All I get on halo is derankers, the derank on my team, then boost people when I'm against them. Sadly that seems to be the only way to get to 50 nowdays, boosters in dubs. No teamwork, as bungie doesn't like that and doesn't reward you.
I see these kids, won all 118 games on dubs and have 25 skill, when they blates deserve 50, then BK's that play 37 games and are 50. It's really not a 'FUN' system, you can't just win and go up, you have to boost.
And I'm finally glad it is going because it's about time. Sure alotta people will disagree with this, but this is my own personal experience and of others. I can't play multiplayer anymore, it's no fun, just taken over by a bunch of nerds who find way to beat the system to get that all glorious 50 :O, most of which are terrible and then sit there playing double exp.
Call of duty may take not much skill, but at least it takes into account how well you do regardless of bad kids and de ranks. Eurgh I'm out. Bring on Forge World and hopefully a half decent multiplayer...

Sorry for making it personal Bungie, but I can't believe the skill system is so bad.

i won't miss you

  • 08.22.2010 11:00 AM PDT
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I wouldn't say that all the fun of Halo 3 is dead, but the OP does have a pretty valid point that all this manipulation of Halo 3's system has taken a toll on the game's multiplayer experience.

I haven't played Halo 3 too much the past couple of months. In anticipation of Reach, I've started playing a little more this weekend and most of the games have been horrible. Entire teams quitting right away, people spinning in circles, all kinds of stupid behavior. And to make it all even more stupid, this was in SOCIAL SLAYER. Not even a ranked playlist.

I always laugh when Bungie praises their amazing community. Where is it, exactly? Are they referring to the MLG wannabe -blam!-s who whine like babies every time they die? Are they talking about all the boosters and derankers that turn matches into ten minute bore-fests? Or maybe they mean commentators like the machinima people who are obviously paid off to talk about how great games are? Reach is looking to be a really great game, online and off, but if it's going to bring along this crappy side of the "community" along with it, will it really make any difference?

Maybe I just need more friends to play with or something. I dunno, but from my perspective, matchmaking has gotten pretty bad.

  • 08.22.2010 12:02 PM PDT

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