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Quite a few times when I do doubles with a friend, I face an opposing mixed party with one very very low level. For example, I'm level 42 in doubles, my friend is 45, but then we face a level 48 + 15 (the 15 obviously is a booster). So how is this fair? If Im not searching in matchmaking with a mixed party, then I dont want to face a mixed party. Playing against a 15 while you are a 42 barely will rank you up after a win, but you seriously will go down if you lose

  • 08.24.2010 4:13 AM PDT

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What sort of numbers are in the playlist when you are searching? Maybe you are searching when the numbers are low and the MM system just puts you together out of desperation to get you a game?

  • 08.24.2010 4:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: heratik08
What sort of numbers are in the playlist when you are searching? Maybe you are searching when the numbers are low and the MM system just puts you together out of desperation to get you a game?


More than enough. Im searching mainly at 8-11PM GMT and there are thousands of Doubles players then. Im also the kind of rank most people have. I should be able to find people who are level 32-50, not a 15 and a 48

  • 08.24.2010 4:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hazzoxic

Posted by: heratik08
What sort of numbers are in the playlist when you are searching? Maybe you are searching when the numbers are low and the MM system just puts you together out of desperation to get you a game?


More than enough. Im searching mainly at 8-11PM GMT and there are thousands of Doubles players then. Im also the kind of rank most people have. I should be able to find people who are level 32-50, not a 15 and a 48


I completely agree with you, only mixed parties should match other mixed parties (especially in doubles when there are only two players to a team).

8-11pm GMT is still a little early though (I am from the UK too) the US east coasters are usually only coming on in large numbers from about 10-11pm GMT and the west coast not for another few hours.

I'm sure if you showed a bit of dedication though, and played until 3-4am there would be less chance of that happening ;)

  • 08.24.2010 4:39 AM PDT

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Searching as a team will match you against teams. Maybe not that enough people searching as a team in your skill range? Or Doubles is in fact simply full of boosters.

  • 08.24.2010 4:42 AM PDT

Posted by: heratik08
What sort of numbers are in the playlist when you are searching? Maybe you are searching when the numbers are low and the MM system just puts you together out of desperation to get you a game?


Shame the game can get "desperate" enough to match up this way - but cant adjust rank with the same factors in mind.

If you encourage match-ups in this way (ip filtering etc) you get called a cheat and threatened with the [cough] banhammer ... but if the MM engine matches you up ... then what?!?

  • 08.24.2010 4:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: heratik08

Posted by: Hazzoxic

Posted by: heratik08
What sort of numbers are in the playlist when you are searching? Maybe you are searching when the numbers are low and the MM system just puts you together out of desperation to get you a game?


More than enough. Im searching mainly at 8-11PM GMT and there are thousands of Doubles players then. Im also the kind of rank most people have. I should be able to find people who are level 32-50, not a 15 and a 48


I completely agree with you, only mixed parties should match other mixed parties (especially in doubles when there are only two players to a team).

8-11pm GMT is still a little early though (I am from the UK too) the US east coasters are usually only coming on in large numbers from about 10-11pm GMT and the west coast not for another few hours.

I'm sure if you showed a bit of dedication though, and played until 3-4am there would be less chance of that happening ;)


Yeah but Im not from the UK, Im in a different timezone. So 3am Uk time is like 5am my time. and thats a bit too late if I need to get up at 6am lol

  • 08.24.2010 4:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hazzoxic

Posted by: heratik08


I'm sure if you showed a bit of dedication though, and played until 3-4am there would be less chance of that happening ;)


Yeah but Im not from the UK, Im in a different timezone. So 3am Uk time is like 5am my time. and thats a bit too late if I need to get up at 6am lol


My last paragraph was a joke BTW

  • 08.24.2010 4:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hazzoxic
Quite a few times when I do doubles with a friend, I face an opposing mixed party with one very very low level. For example, I'm level 42 in doubles, my friend is 45, but then we face a level 48 + 15 (the 15 obviously is a booster). So how is this fair? If Im not searching in matchmaking with a mixed party, then I dont want to face a mixed party. Playing against a 15 while you are a 42 barely will rank you up after a win, but you seriously will go down if you lose


It isn't fair. As im sure you know, from your example you are searching in the skill range 42-45 which expands the longer it takes to find a game. The other party is searching in the skill range 38-48 which falls in the same range as your party. So therefore, the system is "tricked" into matching you up with them, no matter what the possibilities are for both parties to rank up or down. It's unavoidable, and the system won't change. These mixed "booster" parties are just part of the game now.

[Edited on 08.24.2010 4:59 AM PDT]

  • 08.24.2010 4:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: Falran

Posted by: Hazzoxic
Quite a few times when I do doubles with a friend, I face an opposing mixed party with one very very low level. For example, I'm level 42 in doubles, my friend is 45, but then we face a level 48 + 15 (the 15 obviously is a booster). So how is this fair? If Im not searching in matchmaking with a mixed party, then I dont want to face a mixed party. Playing against a 15 while you are a 42 barely will rank you up after a win, but you seriously will go down if you lose


It isn't fair. As im sure you know, from your example you are searching in the skill range 42-45 which expands the longer it takes to find a game. The other party is searching in the skill range 38-48 which falls in the same range as your party. So therefore, the system is "tricked" into matching you up with them, no matter what the possibilities are for both parties to rank up or down. It's unavoidable, and the system won't change. These mixed "booster" parties are just part of the game now.


Yes their highskill is in the same range, but the MM system DOES recognise mixed parties and WILL attempt to match them with other mixed parties. But unfortunately playlist populations are sometimes too low and the MM system will match them with normal parties for sake of getting everyone a game.

  • 08.24.2010 5:03 AM PDT

Mmmm Brains!

Yes, and in order to even out a loss against a 15, you need to win like 3 or 4 games against people of your own skill level

  • 08.24.2010 5:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: heratik08

Posted by: Falran

Posted by: Hazzoxic
Quite a few times when I do doubles with a friend, I face an opposing mixed party with one very very low level. For example, I'm level 42 in doubles, my friend is 45, but then we face a level 48 + 15 (the 15 obviously is a booster). So how is this fair? If Im not searching in matchmaking with a mixed party, then I dont want to face a mixed party. Playing against a 15 while you are a 42 barely will rank you up after a win, but you seriously will go down if you lose


It isn't fair. As im sure you know, from your example you are searching in the skill range 42-45 which expands the longer it takes to find a game. The other party is searching in the skill range 38-48 which falls in the same range as your party. So therefore, the system is "tricked" into matching you up with them, no matter what the possibilities are for both parties to rank up or down. It's unavoidable, and the system won't change. These mixed "booster" parties are just part of the game now.


Yes their highskill is in the same range, but the MM system DOES recognise mixed parties and WILL attempt to match them with other mixed parties. But unfortunately playlist populations are sometimes too low and the MM system will match them with normal parties for sake of getting everyone a game.


I wasn't aware of the system attempting to match mixed parties, thanks for informing me. And another question heratik, does the system work like this for all playlists? Say, if there are 4 parties of 2 players each in team slayer, each in mixed parties, the system will attempt to match them together first, instead of matching the parties into different games with more closely skilled parties. I haven't noticed this much, as i rarely see more than 1 "booster" party in a game, whereas from your explaination this should be happening with regularity. I assume its the mass amount of players making it diffuclt for the system to organise mixed party matches?

  • 08.24.2010 5:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: Falran
I wasn't aware of the system attempting to match mixed parties, thanks for informing me. And another question heratik, does the system work like this for all playlists? Say, if there are 4 parties of 2 players each in team slayer, each in mixed parties, the system will attempt to match them together first, instead of matching the parties into different games with more closely skilled parties. I haven't noticed this much, as i rarely see more than 1 "booster" party in a game, whereas from your explaination this should be happening with regularity. I assume its the mass amount of players making it diffuclt for the system to organise mixed party matches?


If you were to search in a mixed party in TS or SB it would say "Searching for mixed party in skill range........", so yes it applies to all ranked team playlists.

As for you second question, I am not totally sure. I have had games in TS where the 2 teams both consist of 2 parties of 2, with one party in each being mixed. So I guess it does try to balance it as much as possible.

  • 08.24.2010 5:31 AM PDT

Its obvious that the 15 was with the 48 in a party of their own.

Its just the only game they could find.

  • 08.24.2010 5:37 AM PDT