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Subject: COVENANT ALLIANCE SYSTEM MAY FALL APART...

If you've read "The Covenant Primer," an article recently released by Bungie that explains some of the Covenant heirarchy and background, then you know that the Covenant are only held together by very loose strands of allegiance. The Covenant aren't held together by some common god/gods; rather, each species within the Covenant alliance uses, NOT HELPS, the other species. For example, the article described the relationship between the Prophets and the Elites, an "unesy" one at best, as hired muscle. The Elites are paid by being given access to Forerunner technology. In return, they expand the Covenant empire through assimilation of species found usefull, Grunts and Engineers, or total destruction of rival and non-usefull species, Humans. Similar alliances are found all through out Human history. For example, look at the Punic Wars in Roman history. Carthage, a rival to Rome, hires an army of mercenaries, paid soldiers, to expand their empire. Eventually this action forces Rome, who had a citizen army, into war with Carthage. To make a long story short, Rome wins. ( Bungie has in the past made many parallels to ancient Roman and Greek history.) All alliances fall apart when when common interest are no more. In the case of Carthage, hired soldiers would only fight with winning odds; thus, the alliance ended with defeat. May it be for survival, Grunts, or victory in battle, Elites, some Covenant species may find more correlation with the Humans. Again, the Covenant aren't held together by religion; instead, they are held together through the bonds of survival(Grunts),greed(Prophets), and power(Elites)!


P.S.
I know, I know, it looks like I've let my imagination get to me; however, Bungie always throws in the unexpected, ALWAYS!!!

[Edited on 5/4/2004 6:57:36 AM]

  • 05.03.2004 12:37 AM PDT
Subject: COVENANT AND HUMANS JOIN FORCES???
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Dont say anything else about humans and covenants joining together.....it hurts to think about it...(that would mean no more slautering of covenant)

  • 05.03.2004 12:46 AM PDT

I didn't mean to imply that all Covenat species would/could join forces with the Humans, just the species that share the same interest. There will always be a "BAD GUY"!

  • 05.03.2004 12:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Eagle 117
If you've read "The Covenant Primer," an article recently released by Bungie that explains some of the Covenant heirarchy and background, then you know that the Covenant are only held together by very loose strands of allegiance. The Covenant aren't held together by some common god/gods; rather, each species within the Covenant alliance uses, NOT HELPS, the other species. For example, the article described the relationship between the Prophets and the Elites, an "unesy" one at best, as hired muscle. The Elites are paid by being given access to Forerunner technology. In return, they expand the Covenant empire through assimilation of species found usefull, Grunts and Engineers, or total destruction of rival and non-usefull species, Humans. Similar alliances are found all through out Human history. For example, look at the Punic Wars in Roman history. Carthage, a rival to Rome, hires an army of mercenaries, paid soldiers, to expand their empire. Eventually this action forces Rome, who had a citizen army, into war with Carthage. To make a long story short, Rome wins. ( Bungie has in the past made many parallels to ancient Roman and Greek history.) All alliances fall apart when when common interest are no more. In the case of Carthage, hired soldiers would only fight with winning odds; thus, the alliance ended with defeat. May it be for survival, Grunts, or victory in battle, Elites, some Covenant species may find more correlation with the Humans. Again, the Covenant aren't held together by religion; instead, they are held together through the bonds of survival(Grunts),greed(Prophets), and power(Elites)!


P.S.
I know, I know, it looks like I've let my imagination get to me; however, Bungie always throws in the unexpected, ALWAYS!!!


it's not that crazy. i've thought the same thing. like if the prophets were using the other covenant species to find something that would give them the power to where they wouldn't need them or could enslave them all.

  • 05.03.2004 12:58 AM PDT
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o yeah sure gang up on me! just beacause his post was 2 long and i really didnt want to read it all u do this......smack me anytime now....

  • 05.03.2004 1:01 AM PDT
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Well they do always throw an unexpected twist in and it would be cool fighten against elites and hunters and sticken up for grunts.JOKING SLAUGHTER THEM ALL KILL THEM IM GONNA SLASH THEM DASH CUT OFF THEIR BALLS PLAY TENNIS AND THERE WILL BE BLOOD ON THE WALLS

  • 05.03.2004 1:07 AM PDT

AND GIVE ME A CALL AND I KNOW A GUY NAMED SAUL AND GO DOWN THE HALL ??? Really, if you don't have interesting imput, then leave your medaling out of this forum!

  • 05.03.2004 1:15 AM PDT
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This is completely off the topic but i wish we could like invent spartans now and send them to hunt bin ladens ass down and then cut hiss balls off and hang him up in a tree so that birds and animals and what not could eat him and throw stuff at him.

Damn terrorists blowing up my country....WELL I DONT THINK SO!

  • 05.03.2004 1:17 AM PDT
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Very off topic... and not useful to this discussion.

I can see the Elites and Prophets fighting each other but I can't see them joining forces with humans... it would be a 3 way war... 4 if the flood come back....

  • 05.03.2004 2:00 AM PDT

Yes, it is of topic. It's like thinking out loud... you know when you say something that makes you look like a (fill in the blank).

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impident retard
mentally incompitent fool
wasted piece of flesh and bone
etc.

Is it possible to have a discussion that doesn't center around sarcastic remarks that do nothing to further the knowledge of the Halo universe? This is the Bungie forum for Halo and Halo fans correct? So let us, those interested in thought prosesses, discuss those topics dealing with Halo without the mondain interruptions of modern pop culture.

  • 05.03.2004 2:06 AM PDT

Thanks for sticking to the subject GOD Halo Fan:) No one could see the Americans and Russians joining forces 14 years ago, but look at today. Russia is now apart of NATO, whose origianl purpose was to prevent the spread of communism/Russia. All I'm saying, in relation to Halo and reality, is that when common interest allign, people put asside there differences to accomplish whatever goals are presented to them. Greed always rears its ugly head.

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very good point about the Russians and the Americans.

The reason I think they won't join forces is because the humans were all alone in Halo and I know that Bungie are making sure Halo 2 feels Haloish. That said, Bungie is likely to throw us a few curve balls and a Covenant split (with one faction joing the humans) could be one of them...

  • 05.03.2004 2:38 AM PDT

Yes, I am also sure that Bungie will throw us a huge twist in the story line. I just thought it was strange that Bungie released "The Covenant Primer". The information it contained seemed so contractictory to what most of us thought about the Covenant... the belief in the same gods/forerunners being the center of their alligence.

  • 05.03.2004 2:51 AM PDT
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I think the Hunters are the most likely because it says in the covie hierarchy the grunts are happy with what they have got and the hunters don't have the same beliefs as the other covenant, still i don't think it will happen.

  • 05.03.2004 3:50 AM PDT
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who knows lets just wate and see

[Edited on 5/3/2004 6:21:18 AM]

  • 05.03.2004 6:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eagle 117
Thanks for sticking to the subject GOD Halo Fan:) No one could see the Americans and Russians joining forces 14 years ago, but look at today. Russia is now apart of NATO, whose origianl purpose was to prevent the spread of communism/Russia. All I'm saying, in relation to Halo and reality, is that when common interest allign, people put asside there differences to accomplish whatever goals are presented to them. Greed always rears its ugly head.


Too bad Russia will one day most likley turn against America, even now they have treaty's wit Muslim country's so I dont think Russia is a good analogy.

I also think this bog "plot twist' will not be covies join US but rather some of US joining THEM.

You are comparing the Covies to the Russians which acutally isnt all bad, in the way that you might not think (when I get to my home PC I will explain). But I think we should compare the covies to the Japenese in WW II. They would rather die then surrender. The grunts wont turn they are brainwashed out of all reason. The covies are at a ROYAL JIHAD with the human race, they wont stop untill they are all killed, or we are. So far, they're winning.

And the proposition that there is some kind of civil war with the covenant is absurd, read the books.

[Edited on 5/3/2004 6:27:54 AM]

  • 05.03.2004 6:20 AM PDT
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I think it will be neither but i think that some of the covie races will turn against each other, i think we'll get to the covie homeworld and find them all fighting.

  • 05.03.2004 6:25 AM PDT
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Who cares what is gonna happen? This forum is getting to deep, lets just go and kill all covie B@$T@RD$!!!

  • 05.03.2004 6:45 AM PDT
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your saying it's BAD for a forum to be active.....im not going to say anything.....self-control grunt....self-control....

  • 05.03.2004 7:18 AM PDT

Too bad Russia will one day most likley turn against America, even now they have treaty's wit Muslim country's so I dont think Russia is a good analogy.

I also think this bog "plot twist' will not be covies join US but rather some of US joining THEM.

You are comparing the Covies to the Russians which acutally isnt all bad, in the way that you might not think (when I get to my home PC I will explain). But I think we should compare the covies to the Japenese in WW II. They would rather die then surrender. The grunts wont turn they are brainwashed out of all reason. The covies are at a ROYAL JIHAD with the human race, they wont stop untill they are all killed, or we are. So far, they're winning.

And the proposition that there is some kind of civil war with the covenant is absurd, read the books.


The reason I used the Russian/American analogy is because it is one of recent memory. By judging some of the post this thread was begining to recieve, I didn't think anyone with intelligence or a memory was going converse, but then you showed up along with GOD Halo Fan. While it is quite possible that the Russians will turn against America in the future, my point in using them as an analogy was to show that in order for Russia to pursue there PRESENT goals, which are no longer global domination, but rather integration into the global economy, Russia had to ally with her former enemies. Another reason I choose Russia, or to be more specific The Soviet Union, is because much like the Covenant, the Soviets made many alliances with the people/culture of the countries it assimilated. All of those loose strands of allegince began to collapse towards the end of the Soviet Union. As we can know look back in hinsight, most of the Soviet Union, or Russian satalite states, were not in the alliance for some sort of grab for world power, but in contrast they were sucked into an alliance with Russia... wether it be for survival or what ever. In the end, when faced with the problems that lead to the collapse, the different cultures and peoples of the Soviet Union broke there alliance with "Mother Russia," and began to ally with those who had similar goals.( Just this past weekend the EU let former Sovet satelite states become apart of the EU.) I would agree that the Japs in WWII would be another good analogy, and there are many, many other analogies through out history to be made, as I stated in the first post. Oh yea, one more thing. I never imply, or meant to imply, that there is some sort of civil war within the Covenant. I have read all of the books many times over. My point being, that in "The Covenant Primer" the Covenant are descirbed as a traditional alliance, not some Royal Jihadist power set on some rampage. Rather, there alliance is much like every alliance in Human history; that being, beneath the surface of there "UNBREAKABLE" alliance are many cracks waiting to be exposed.

  • 05.03.2004 11:10 AM PDT
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I think that there are plenty of intresting combos that we could see in terms of 'the splitting' of the covenant. If you look at the races you could see a way in which the covenant could be divied into two without giving one 1/2 of the split the upper hand therefore forcing an allience of mutual benefit. For example elites, grunts and jackals vs prophets and brutes. However Hunters and engineers are hard to find a place for. This is a very thin theory and one which could use some expansion. Feel free.

  • 05.03.2004 11:22 AM PDT

Yes, you make an interesting point, which is quite possible. For example, while purley imaginative, which most forum threads are, the Elites greed for victory in battle may eventually preceed their alliance with the Prophets. This greed may in time force the Elites to break from the Covenant to join the Humans or, as you imply, to form a seperate alliance system outside the Covenant. This action may then force the a new dirrection in the war against the Humans, being the Elites may be a larger threat to the Covenant Empire.

  • 05.03.2004 11:34 AM PDT
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Hmmm, I don't see russia turning against america just because they've got treaties with arab countries, and I don't think it would ever become active opposition. More of a demonstrating kind of way.
I see the EU as a perfect example of what the UNSC could do:
Take in ex-ennemies and make them your friends, if it looks promising
On the other hand, that honour system I've seen looks interesting too: what DO the covenant think of MC? Surely they know his name by now (if it says so in the books, please forgive me i havebnt read them), and also fear his mention, althought the Elites would rise up to the challenge, bravely if perhaps foolishly...

  • 05.03.2004 11:35 AM PDT

I would agree, for now, that this isn't a sufficient reason for Russia to turn against America. This further shows that no alliance is permenant. Even America and Isreal will one day turn on each other... hopefully I'll be dead by then.

  • 05.03.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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and your saying i was off the topic???? Your the one talking about russia and america......

  • 05.03.2004 12:07 PM PDT

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