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  • Subject: Halo PC flair change IS FAIR!! (Better for the XBOX fans)
Subject: Halo PC flair change IS FAIR!! (Better for the XBOX fans)

EDIT: Main Point : Allowing ppl to go buy Halo CE for the flair is more fair to the loyal Xbox Halo owners/fans

well... this is how i look at it...

Halo PC came out a little less than 2 years after Halo Xbox ed, and by rewarding only the PC owners with 2 emblem flairs which show long lived dedication to halo... the xbox fans were pissed off as they had gotten it when it had originally came out and had no reason to purchase another copy of the game, so bungie had to accommodate for them [myself included]

another thing is most people dont have PC's which can run games smoothly, even if its a good computer, because games require different (and often specific) computer parts to run the game properly...also halo was originally designed for the xbox console and then ported over to the PC by a different company (which a longtime fan may be disgruntled by)

anyways... the flair is showing not that you played Halo PC, but that you played Halo CE, on top of that you get the "HALO" flair showing that you played all the games, since the majority of people have played all the halo games and the majority of people played Halo CE for the xbox(which it was made for) and not the PC

now think about it-- the flair is going to be in halo:reach, which is an xbox 360 console game. The PC is a seperate game system, so in a way its like saying "if you played halo on the PS3 or Wii [if they were made for them] then you get flair for the xbox console showing youve played the game longer than the people who played it on the "original console", which is unfair by logic

now if the flair showed it was PC only and everyone knew that it would be justice, however its not.
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on top of that gearbox was the one who basically had control over the PC version, not really bungie, so why reward those who arnt playing the game as it was originally designed for but playing the ported version done by another company... essentially a "knock off" [ i know some will flame for this comment, but let me explain] of a great game...

its basically like saying Megaman II for the iphone [which is still very fun to play] is the same thing as Megaman II for the NES, in case you are too young to know of megaman here is another example:

actually im too lazy to think of one,lol, but basically halo PC runs a bit differently than on the console and has a different control scheme both designed by a different company-

-[ RANDOM THOUGHT ]i mean, its not like there is a visual flair for the avid Halo Wars fans out there, now is there? why not, its a halo branded game afterall?... its because bungie didnt have any part to do with the game, it was made by a different company...[ RANDOM THOUGHT ]-

its like if another company, not Blizzard, ported World of Warcraft to the Xbox 360, and then Blizzard said that when world of warcraft 2 comes out ONLY the people who bought the xbox version would get, say, a piece of great/ limited ed armor to show they played the first game...

its unfair to the PC ppl bc they bought "The original and first made game from the original developers" while the xbox ppl would have been buying a "somewhat fake" version that was different from the original and made by different ppl just to make some money, and then rewarding the xbox ppl with something saying they were "Original fans" even though they have the "Non-original game"

i simply cannot find the logic behind that though.



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also i hear people saying "OH, these people who arnt loyal to halo are going to go buy Halo PC now and get the flair"

but think about it, what is more loyal than going out and purchasing the game after reading the flair info online in a weekly update (which they probably never miss) while also chatting on the forums and probably playing countless games of halo a day

its not like all these people who just casually play halo are going to be out buying halo pc for the flair, not only that but they probably wont even have a clue about it until the game comes out- and if they do happen to know they might think its a waste of money to go out and buy just to recieve 2 of many "flares" that are offered... its the people who are consistently up to date on the game and care about it enough to go out and buy it.

so the question is "what is the definition of being Loyal?"


[Edited on 08.25.2010 10:29 PM PDT]

  • 08.25.2010 8:54 PM PDT
Subject: Halo PC flair change IS FAIR!!

Did i really just write all that?

  • 08.25.2010 8:55 PM PDT

Acutally the Flair was made SPECIALLY FOR Halo PC players, since we've been playing the same game since 2003, I don't think many console fans kept playing Halo 1 like PC players did after Halo 2, 3 ODST and Wars. On the PC side we have Halo PC and Halo 2...and Halo 2 is a joke so we kept playing Halo PC. Sawnose said it himself

  • 08.25.2010 9:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Steeel Woool
Whoa. I read the first part, and it seemed like you were actally saying it wasn't fair. As opposed to your topic title.


Yeah, when writing sometimes your mind fills in the gaps and it makes sense to only the author- thats what happened here sorta, lol

Well basically i saw someone who is an avid Halo PC fan post how its "unloyal" to die hard fans to allow new purchases of the game to work for the flair-- upon reading i went on a bit of a "rant" in frustration and decided to make a post about it from a comment, upon which i failed to make it clear that my main point is to say Allowing ppl to go buy Halo CE for the flair is more fair to the loyal Xbox Halo owners/fans

sorry about any confusion.


Posted by: LoneStaruner
Acutally the Flair was made SPECIALLY FOR Halo PC players, since we've been playing the same game since 2003, I don't think many console fans kept playing Halo 1 like PC players did after Halo 2, 3 ODST and Wars. On the PC side we have Halo PC and Halo 2...and Halo 2 is a joke so we kept playing Halo PC. Sawnose said it himself



Yes it was made for PC/Mac players, however the thing that really makes people angry [well, i think at least] is the flair that puts "HALO" behind the GT because its kinda like an honor badge for having played every halo game[that bungie has made] and its kinda showing support through the years through that, especially since this is their last halo title

and since only PC game owners are allowed to receive this flair its like "sticking a knife in their side" as the PC title was ported by another company and even though they have played every halo title and may have been huge fans in the beginning they cant get this exclusive*,

and not being able to redeem an item after years of continuing support through the xbox[the main/original platform for the halo titles] really upset/ticked them off

Personally i play through Halo CE's campaign yearly- however when we cant play MM on it and newer halo titles [which our friends are on] exist w/ MM its easy to make the switch to the newer games.

  • 08.25.2010 10:17 PM PDT

umm, bungies games befor halo were to be run on mac. microsoft bought them when they were creating halo, and they made it for the pc. microsoft then said to them to make it for the xbox as a launch title. halo pc has been around longer, so why say it was made for xbox?

and most people these days have a decent computer, well any gamer would, and games dont need specific components to run, they need a certan level of performance but not certan components.

so you sir, fail. but im not sure wether to agree with you or not. halo came out on pc first, not xbox. they said for pc users only.

  • 08.25.2010 10:35 PM PDT


Posted by: I SLAMM3R I
umm, bungies games befor halo were to be run on mac. microsoft bought them when they were creating halo, and they made it for the pc. microsoft then said to them to make it for the xbox as a launch title. halo pc has been around longer, so why say it was made for xbox?

and most people these days have a decent computer, well any gamer would, and games dont need specific components to run, they need a certan level of performance but not certan components.

so you sir, fail. but im not sure wether to agree with you or not. halo came out on pc first, not xbox. they said for pc users only.


yes, before halo it was going to be on mac- however halo began on the console [hence the reason why it originally said "ONLY ON XBOX" on the gamecase]

and yes, i have a pretty high end(and 1yr old) laptop however it runs halo PC very poorly (because it wasnt meant for gaming but rather all other types of entertainment) and it ruins the gameplay

Halo CE (xbox) Release Date: November 15, 2001
Halo CE (PC) Release Date: September 30, 2003

What world are you living in?

  • 08.25.2010 10:44 PM PDT

History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.

This is essentially what I've been saying as well. The reward isn't really meant for people who played the PC version, it's just that there's no way for Bungie to tell who and who hasn't played the Xbox version.

So if these Xbox players want to run out and buy a PC version to show that they've supported the series since the begining, why not? It's going to cost them money, and it clearly shows how dedicated they are.

I understand the jealously over something becoming less unique, but as someone who HAS had a key for several years, I really don't understand the utter rage being expressed over this. It's no different from what happened with the Xbox version of Halo 2, were honestly playing it before they said "hey, play it online before we shut it down and you'll get something".

  • 08.25.2010 11:31 PM PDT
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I think I read your title wrong OP.
How is this good for original xbox owners?

  • 08.25.2010 11:34 PM PDT
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Something smells fishy...

Sawnose was mainly focused on the Halo CE PC community, as he provided many updates for the game. Therefore if it was souly his idea for the visual flair, or if it was mostly or entirely then the flair was likely created for Halo CE PC players.

I fully understand why people who played Halo CE XBOX would be so upset. But in my opinion, the flair was intentionally created for Halo CE PC players.

  • 08.26.2010 4:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: LoneStaruner
Acutally the Flair was made SPECIALLY FOR Halo PC players, since we've been playing the same game since 2003, I don't think many console fans kept playing Halo 1 like PC players did after Halo 2, 3 ODST and Wars. On the PC side we have Halo PC and Halo 2...and Halo 2 is a joke so we kept playing Halo PC. Sawnose said it himself
Exactly. A lot of people still play Halo PC regularly. I guarantee the same cannot be said for Halo (Xbox). That's the major difference.

Sure you played it a lot once, long ago, but this is about long time loyalty, not once upon a time. That's one of the reasons why, on the whole, I disagree with people being able to buy the game now to get the flair.

  • 08.26.2010 4:29 AM PDT


Posted by: jross1993
I think I read your title wrong OP.
How is this good for original xbox owners?


its better because they have a choice to now receive the flair if they are willing to pay for the game, rather than just being completely hopeless in the previous situation

  • 08.26.2010 11:36 AM PDT
Subject: Halo PC flair change IS FAIR!! (Better for the XBOX fans)


Posted by: Skibur
Posted by: LoneStaruner
Acutally the Flair was made SPECIALLY FOR Halo PC players, since we've been playing the same game since 2003, I don't think many console fans kept playing Halo 1 like PC players did after Halo 2, 3 ODST and Wars. On the PC side we have Halo PC and Halo 2...and Halo 2 is a joke so we kept playing Halo PC. Sawnose said it himself
Exactly. A lot of people still play Halo PC regularly. I guarantee the same cannot be said for Halo (Xbox). That's the major difference.

Sure you played it a lot once, long ago, but this is about long time loyalty, not once upon a time. That's one of the reasons why, on the whole, I disagree with people being able to buy the game now to get the flair.


The following statement is from the weekly update: " The 'flair' is a set of nameplate emblems where you can show off your loyalty to Bungie games old and new"

i have no problem, or should i say little problem, with having a Halo PC emblem for the supportive players which is the Halo CE symbol

the thing i dont like is that this implies that the PC users are the only ones who should get credit for playing the original halo game, while the xbox players are hung out to dry

on top of that you have to have the halo PC emblem unlocked to receive the "HALO" flair, which shows you have supported bungie through every game. Just because most players felt no need to buy another copy for the PC (for various reasons) doesnt mean they havnt been largely supportive in the halo franchise

and like i already said before, halo PC was ported by Gearbox and its essentially the second version of the original halo title, and when your rewarding PC users with something for the XBOX while those who have been long time users of the XBOX recieve nothing it is pretty obvious why we feel slighted, to say the least

thats why allowing xbox people to go purchase the title to show that they played the original title is more fair than not allowing them to receive it in any way


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  • 08.26.2010 12:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: apollo creed 01
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But as said, it was a technical limitation, not an intentional exclusion. Obviously it's not ideal but it was in no way unfair not to reward Xbox players (I'm included in that demographic) when it wasn't even possible. I just don't get your logic that it's unfair to reward PC users because of a technical limitation preventing Xbox users from receiving the flair.

Skibur makes a good point about the PC community remaining active. There are still 50,000 unique players per month (big drop from a couple of years back) keeping the game alive. How many will still play the Xbox version actively? HPC is going to outlive Halo Reach eventually.

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thats why allowing xbox people to go purchase the title to show that they played the original title is more fair than not allowing them to receive it in any way


I don't understand how allowing the flair to be purchased proves anything.

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  • 08.26.2010 12:09 PM PDT

Bungie failed.

Halo PC players would want a reward to use on their PC, and xbox players want a reward to use on their xbox. Instead, Bungie messed it up and gave PC players a reward on the xbox and left all the console players bitter.

  • 08.26.2010 12:16 PM PDT


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Posted by: apollo creed 01
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But as said, it was a technical limitation, not an intentional exclusion. Obviously it's not ideal but it was in no way unfair not to reward Xbox players (I'm included in that demographic) when it wasn't even possible. I just don't get your logic that it's unfair to reward PC users because of a technical limitation preventing Xbox users from receiving the flair.

Skibur makes a good point about the PC community remaining active. There are still 50,000 unique players per month (big drop from a couple of years back) keeping the game alive. How many will still play the Xbox version actively? HPC is going to outlive Halo Reach eventually.

Posted by: apollo creed 01
thats why allowing xbox people to go purchase the title to show that they played the original title is more fair than not allowing them to receive it in any way


I don't understand how allowing the flair to be purchased proves anything.


yeah, it wasnt an intentional exclusion but it was an exclusion nonetheless... and to me the PC version feels like a completely different game because of the controls on the PC(this comment isnt relevant right now but i felt like it needed to be out there)

allowing the flair to be purchased proves alot actually. The fact is that if your a halo fan youve likely bought halo CE and loved it, and if not chances are that you dont care about the emblem enough to go and buy it now...

but the fans who really care about showing that they played halo CE (like me, its by far my favorite halo title) are going to go out and buy it if they didnt already own it because of numerous reasons. It shows they are loyal by going out and making the purchase, supporting bungie with more funds while doing so.

  • 08.26.2010 12:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Doomknight 117
Bungie failed.

Halo PC players would want a reward to use on their PC, and xbox players want a reward to use on their xbox. Instead, Bungie messed it up and gave PC players a reward on the xbox and left all the console players bitter.


in summary, yes. At least from my perspective, lol.

  • 08.26.2010 12:31 PM PDT