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Posted by: Crunk N DaTrunk
I think the main problem is most posters here refuse to even consider the possibility that a person with a good ISP can get bad lag and unfair BS due to the faults of Bungie's matchmaking.


By Bungie's matchmaking, do you mean, the way the internet works?

It isn't perfect and doubtless never will be totally stable, deal with it.

  • 09.03.2010 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth

I'll tell you why I replayed the clips. Because most people are not intelligent enough to catch the lag in those clips believe it or not. I wanted it to be painfully obvious to everyone what was being dealt with. I didn't want anyone to say "I didn't see any lag out of the ordinary." or "that wasn't lag at all."

And to those saying "OMG U HAD LEIK 3 GAEMZ WIT LAG N U MAED A MONTASH HAHA". I used 3 different accounts to use the render points I had at that time to render the video. It's not for lack of material believe me.


If you want it painfully obvious, you could have done much different approaches than playing the exact same clip in the exact same way, only doing it slower. That doesn't emphasize anything in particular. It's just showing the same part of the same clip.

You can draw circles around people, put in comments into the video, something, but "emphasizing" as you did makes the video a chore to watch. After every clip I was thinking "Ok, I see. Please don't make me watch this again..." It's extremely frustrating especially since the lag was already painfully obvious. The clips had people disappearing in them for crying out loud. Saying you needed to emphasize the video to that extent is only insulting the intelligence of all your potential viewers and, quite honestly, if they are stupid enough to need to see it twice you won't convince them anyway.

On topic I still think lag sucks, but I don't think it's entirely avoidable. Bungie is already taking out the projectiles and making most things hitscan, but other than that the positions of where the Spartans are and such will still be dropped. With the wide range of connections out there I would never expect lag to be nonexistant, especially in a game like Halo 3 where accuracy is so important.


Posted by: Crunk N DaTrunk

No I mean Bungie's matchmaking. Probably the worst necode for an online shooter in the history of gaming. Halo 2 hitscan worked just fine whereas Halo 3 is terrible with lag, and given that the matchmaking "prefer good connection" option doesnt do anything, its really Bungie at fault.


CLEARLY somebody never played Gears of War 2... Granted, not a FPS, but the netcode is the worst of all games I've played.

Moreover, CoD lags a lot, but the guns are so wildly inaccurate it's hard to tell. Halo 3 differs from most games in its accuracy which is very important. Most games don't make accuracy mean quite as much, but in Halo it does, which is why any and all lag stands out so much. The netcode itself is actually quite good given how so many people still find it enjoyable online.

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  • 09.03.2010 3:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Crunk N DaTrunk
No I mean Bungie's matchmaking. Probably the worst necode for an online shooter in the history of gaming.


I guess that's why you must have played thousands of games of Halo 3 online then.

  • 09.03.2010 3:59 PM PDT

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Uh, I don't even pull host often. And if I do the host is good for everyone. I'm not like those connection warriors who pull host every game and eat bullets like it's their breakfast.

So yeah, host doesn't have much of an affect on me.

  • 09.03.2010 4:26 PM PDT

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Half of those clips were easily explainable. I only watched about 90 seconds and I'll debunk the ones I saw.

: The first clip was legitimate. That same thing has happened to me and I have also done it, under crystal clear settings online and LAN. A melee from directly below while the two people are facing opposite ways will result in an assassination.

: The sword clip at 1:25 happens frequently because of the steep elevation change over such a short distance. If you lunge at someone and they drop in height below you, the lunge will take you to them but not allow you to kill them. That's why you should always jump before you lunge against someone who doesn't have a Sword to defend themselves; it allows you to have an uninterrupted angle to their body.

: Running into a Bubble Shield against a guy with a Shotgun is never a good idea, your host or his. You won't win unless your on a level of ninja attained only by Pope, Mercury, or Delirium. Or Gary UK.

  • 09.03.2010 4:39 PM PDT

The one thing you desire most in this world is something you'll never get. My desire is love. So far, my desire follows the phrase to the letter.

i do not agree with what your saying but i will fight to the death your right to say it.

  • 09.03.2010 5:08 PM PDT

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Condoms.

At least I'm going into battle protected. Haha


Yea, the last thing you want is are some elites strapped your your back while a grunt massages your nuts unprotected.

Yeah, that's nothing new. I get that and worse every game. Same with every other Australian.

Well maybe not the glitching around.. But where that doesn't happen, other -blam!- does.

  • 09.03.2010 5:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth
Host matters, and plays a significant role in who wins games and who does not. This is a fact, and right before the release of Halo: Reach it's time for everyone to admit it.

Have a nice day!

:)


I never get host... But nice try though =)

  • 09.03.2010 6:12 PM PDT

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lol host


Posted by: An average gamer


If you want it painfully obvious, you could have done much different approaches than playing the exact same clip in the exact same way, only doing it slower. That doesn't emphasize anything in particular. It's just showing the same part of the same clip.

You can draw circles around people, put in comments into the video, something, but "emphasizing" as you did makes the video a chore to watch. After every clip I was thinking "Ok, I see. Please don't make me watch this again..." It's extremely frustrating especially since the lag was already painfully obvious. The clips had people disappearing in them for crying out loud. Saying you needed to emphasize the video to that extent is only insulting the intelligence of all your potential viewers and, quite honestly, if they are stupid enough to need to see it twice you won't convince them anyway.

On topic I still think lag sucks, but I don't think it's entirely avoidable. Bungie is already taking out the projectiles and making most things hitscan, but other than that the positions of where the Spartans are and such will still be dropped. With the wide range of connections out there I would never expect lag to be nonexistant, especially in a game like Halo 3 where accuracy is so important.





Hey thanks for the montage tips. I'll tell that to Windows Movie Maker next time I use it. And if I'm ever attempting to produce a film, you'll get a call for a consult. Your criticisms are noted, but will go unheeded mostly because I honestly don't care.

  • 09.03.2010 10:47 PM PDT
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What ever happened to deal with it and learn to play better. People who complain about host 24/7 are so annoying and not fun to play with.

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  • 09.03.2010 10:52 PM PDT

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lol host


Posted by: The Benergizer
Half of those clips were easily explainable. I only watched about 90 seconds and I'll debunk the ones I saw.

: The first clip was legitimate. That same thing has happened to me and I have also done it, under crystal clear settings online and LAN. A melee from directly below while the two people are facing opposite ways will result in an assassination.

: The sword clip at 1:25 happens frequently because of the steep elevation change over such a short distance. If you lunge at someone and they drop in height below you, the lunge will take you to them but not allow you to kill them. That's why you should always jump before you lunge against someone who doesn't have a Sword to defend themselves; it allows you to have an uninterrupted angle to their body.

: Running into a Bubble Shield against a guy with a Shotgun is never a good idea, your host or his. You won't win unless your on a level of ninja attained only by Pope, Mercury, or Delirium. Or Gary UK.


Oh I see, by debunk you mean... ignore the fact that a teleporter who was obviously at no disadvantage got a kill on a guy at a complete disadvantage. Thankyou so much for clearing that nonsense up!

  • 09.03.2010 10:54 PM PDT

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lol host



Posted by: The Blueprint
What ever happened to deal with and learn to play better. People who complain about host 24/7 are so annoying and not fun to play with.


It's cool, putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "I'M NOT HEARING THIS!" over and over is a excellent coping mechanism. I don't blame you for ignoring a rampant problem and shifting the blame onto those affected. It's natural.

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  • 09.03.2010 10:57 PM PDT
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  • 09.03.2010 11:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Blueprint
What ever happened to deal with and learn to play better. People who complain about host 24/7 are so annoying and not fun to play with.


It's cool, putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "I'M NOT HEARING THIS!" over and over is a excellent coping mechanism. I don't blame you for ignoring a rampant problem and shifting the blame onto those affected. It's natural.


Nope. Just learn to play through it like everyone else

  • 09.03.2010 11:05 PM PDT

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i wish i could play a non-host dominated game

if my connection were better i probably wouldnt notice it as much, but i cant connect to hardly anyone properly :/

  • 09.03.2010 11:06 PM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

ok there was nothing special about the lag that i saw, oh well i guess bad players who are stuck at their rank cant admit there is a reason other than host/bad teammates/cheaters. It doesnt matter anyway for better or worse reach comes out soon

  • 09.03.2010 11:07 PM PDT

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth

Posted by: The Benergizer
Half of those clips were easily explainable. I only watched about 90 seconds and I'll debunk the ones I saw.

: The first clip was legitimate. That same thing has happened to me and I have also done it, under crystal clear settings online and LAN. A melee from directly below while the two people are facing opposite ways will result in an assassination.

: The sword clip at 1:25 happens frequently because of the steep elevation change over such a short distance. If you lunge at someone and they drop in height below you, the lunge will take you to them but not allow you to kill them. That's why you should always jump before you lunge against someone who doesn't have a Sword to defend themselves; it allows you to have an uninterrupted angle to their body.

: Running into a Bubble Shield against a guy with a Shotgun is never a good idea, your host or his. You won't win unless your on a level of ninja attained only by Pope, Mercury, or Delirium. Or Gary UK.


Oh I see, by debunk you mean... ignore the fact that a teleporter who was obviously at no disadvantage got a kill on a guy at a complete disadvantage. Thankyou so much for clearing that nonsense up!


Please stop bumping this post, no one cares.

  • 09.03.2010 11:08 PM PDT

657 MLG 50s.

I had this game earlier where I shot the guy 4 times with the SR and each hit was a blood shot. I went ahead and put it in my Fileshare cause i've never seen that happen. The game was all green bar too so I got to think it was a bit fishy.

  • 09.03.2010 11:08 PM PDT

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I probably have the worst connection of all 50s in Halo 3.

  • 09.03.2010 11:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Guillotineee
I had this game earlier where I shot the guy 4 times with the SR and each hit was a blood shot. I went ahead and put it in my Fileshare cause i've never seen that happen. The game was all green bar too so I got to think it was a bit fishy.


Damn straight.

  • 09.03.2010 11:11 PM PDT

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lol host


Posted by: meagsIZbeast
ok there was nothing special about the lag that i saw, oh well i guess bad players who are stuck at their rank cant admit there is a reason other than host/bad teammates/cheaters. It doesnt matter anyway for better or worse reach comes out soon



lol "there's nothing special about teleportation, host needles, 20 foot lunges and flying. Because of this you are bad at the game."

Way to go buddy, you're the Archetypal sack of ignorance that so valiantly fights against the truth! Bravo!

  • 09.03.2010 11:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: Crunk N DaTrunk
^ I know right. All the kids that say host doesnt matter and lag isnt a factor are the ones that benefit from it.

If you really get halo 3 lag then you know whats up. If you never lag in Halo 3, then you get a level 50 and spend the rest of your time explaining to kids that lag how lag is actually caused by lack of skill and jealousy of the number 50, amirite?


Again my connection sucks and yet you contiunually say that you have this special lag that no one else can possibly have. You simply wrong, I saw your lagtage and saw nothing special at all, you are a whiney -blam!-. Stop complaining and if it bothers you so much stop playing. btw my friend zach whos connection is 10x worse than mine is also a 50 and you should see the lag and blood shots he gets. Face it your not special and your not that good

  • 09.03.2010 11:21 PM PDT