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  • 08.10.2004 1:36 AM PDT
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Dude, this is not just the online world, anti-semitism (the hating of the jewish people) is still strong in the world. It has been around for ages and culminated with the holocaust. And yes we do have to do something to make not just the online world, but the real world a better place.

Nice thread.

  • 08.10.2004 2:02 AM PDT
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I ask them to stop cuz I have a jewish friend to. And if people start in my server if they don't stop right away auto-ban no questions asked

  • 08.10.2004 5:31 AM PDT
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The way I look at it, If people wanna call me a jew (which im not, but if I was) that their problem. What wrong with it? Their stating a fact, they may be using it in a derroggatory way but that dosnt mean it has to be taken in that way. Just assume their saying your jewish. That how I think of it... I dont beleive to strongly in relegion though...

  • 08.10.2004 9:03 AM PDT
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Really? I haven't heard this, probably because I've had Halo PC uninstalled for quite a while. The player base for my two favorite online multplayer games (Natural-Selection and Raven Shield) are generally in their 20's, meaning they're a lot more mature and there's very little crap to put up with.

  • 08.10.2004 9:29 AM PDT
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I agree, jew-hating is becoming ever more prelevant in today's world, and it is indeed sad. I myself don't know many jewish people personally, but unfortunately get to see the other side quite often... my uncle is a hardcore -blam!-... unfortunate but true. I swear I'll kill that damn bigot some day.

  • 08.10.2004 11:27 AM PDT
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This is just some crazy thought I had, but I think a lot of today's television spurs these sort of things. Take South Park for example, somebody calls Kyle a jew probably atleast once an episode. Despite the fact that south park is merely satire, there are some very feble minded people who don't realize that it is satire, and not serious. They have no idea of what an actual Jew really is, and no concept of what they're saying when they call them a jew.

I think a lot of this is happening because young people are watching south park, and these young people don't have a fully developed concept of how the world really is. Because of this, they don't understand the satire of south park, etc properly and it really distorts their concept of the world.

  • 08.10.2004 12:12 PM PDT
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I'm not biased against Jews... no way, the media can't tell me how to live! I hate all ethnicities and faiths equally!

  • 08.10.2004 12:25 PM PDT
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That's exactly my point. We know you're kidding, because of the fact we're grounded in our culture and have awareness of how things really are. But younger people whose morals aren't so secure are easily corrupted.

  • 08.10.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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Though anti-semitism is undeniably alive and well, I am less disturbed after reading this far than I was at the start of this thread. It sounds like the phenomenon you are seeing is kids with lame enough brains that South Park (sp?) jokes are as far as their imaginations can stretch. (Which --from what I can tell from the ads for the show-- is really, REALLY sad.) Fortuantely, this bolus of stupidity should dissipate as soon as SP is out of vogue.

And I agree with the post that said that being called a Jew could be interpreted as a good thing --it certainly should be-- but I'll bet SP uses it in a way to introduce the word to millions unbiased young minds as a derogatory term. Sad.

You are doing the right things: Don't be part of the problem; and use whatever power you have to send the message that defaming any race or ethnic group is not cool. I love your auto-ban idea.

  • 08.10.2004 12:53 PM PDT
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That's exactly what I was trying to say.

  • 08.10.2004 1:22 PM PDT

I know what you mean dude, but thats not as common as the word "-blam!-", or "-blam!-". Think about those too. It's not right. I know plenty of respectable homo-blam!-s. I'm sure that some of you who are upset by this anti-semitism have used the word -blam!- a few times. That's just as mean and prejudice as calling someone a jew.

[Edited on 8/10/2004 2:49:52 PM]

  • 08.10.2004 2:48 PM PDT
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hmm thats odd. i havent seen anyone use the word jew in any of the games that ive been in. i ve been playing for about 3 months and i havent seen anyone use that word.

  • 08.10.2004 5:33 PM PDT
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but anyways i dont use the word. ive heard ppl outside of halo use that word and i just think that it has just been killed. i use other words. but jew, ya, ive heard that word alot its getting old, i would rather use any other word thats not racist.

  • 08.10.2004 5:36 PM PDT
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TO THE THREAD STARTER -

you and your mates actually give a -blam!- at the total crap people say when gaming?
IGNORE IT. If theres one thing I know about online games is that little girlies and big mouths talk -blam!- constantly. IGNORE IT.

They are just words n a screen to you, and another kill on the board. when someone talks -blam!- to me because I just owned them about camping or using noob weapons or tactics or whatever they need to say to make them feel better, I ignore it. and I know it pisses them off even more. Because its not worth my time responding to the -blam!-.

TRUST ME, IT WILL PISS THEM OFF BIGTIME IF YOU IGNORE THEM. my mum used to say to me as a kid and I never believed it. They are after a reaction, its true. If they dont get no reaction, they will move one. either way, if they dont, you can cap there sorry ass while there typing and make them even more angry. its win win.

  • 08.10.2004 10:10 PM PDT
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-blam!- and -blam!-? That's a lot of my vocabulary (when I'm with friends)... Nothing I can do about it, that's how my peeps in Brooklyn talk.

[Edited on 8/11/2004 7:17:55 PM]

  • 08.10.2004 10:52 PM PDT
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That's... not really cool... Terran Grunt

The fact of the matter is that a lot of young people play Halo.
Furthermore, parents no longer care about what their kids say or do. This leads to kids in the range of Jr. High school to be the absolute epitome of arrogance and bigotry. They use these terms becuase they think it's cool, group mentality ingrains it in them and with no parental guidance they believe it's appropriate.
Lastly, the anonymity of the internet allows kids to behave in whatever way they choose, with absolutely no consequences. This comes in the form of player names like "[N-word] LOVER", "a -blam!-", or countless others. It also comes out in their speech, calling nearly everyone and/or everything -blam!-, -blam!-/-blam!-, [N-word], whatever. Swearing in general is very prevalent, I'm just listing the racial/-blam!- slurs. Also, my most hated behaviour, teamkilling. In any fashion, whether it be the slick, well oiled Tk'ing machine of (ME)=KING, or just killing a bunch of teammates before you leave the server. I know quite a few people that think Tk'ing right before you leave is fine, but it's the same thing, you would NEVER do it if it weren't anonymous.

The bottom bottom line is that you can't do anything about it. We can't stop these kids from playing Halo, and we can't force their parents to teach them ethical behaviour. The best advice here is just to ignore it. Don't fret over what you cannot change.

The sad truth.

  • 08.11.2004 1:49 AM PDT
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Here's my 2 cents --

ANNOYING CAPITALIZED NOTE: I LIVE BY THE LIFESTYLE OF BEING NICE UNTIL REPETITIVE UNNICITIES ARE DONE TO ME, KEEP THAT IN MIND WHILE READING THIS POST.

For "Jew" being a derogatory name, I'm betting it originally spawned from the stereotype that Jewish people are misers (which is false), which most likely spawned from the whole Israeli issue, which is the fault of every nation in the western world, not just the Jewish race.

As for african-related slang words -- people just need to forgive and forget, on both races. I work in a very african centralized area, and I get a bunch of nice african people come in (Some of which are friends/co-workers), but I also get a bunch of people who believe they're a rapper and see a quite large difference between the races. Honestly, being snotty and stuck up just because you can say "RACIST!" against anyone who doesn't bow down and kiss your ass actually REGRESSES time back to the segregation of the 50's. How do african people expect to be concidered the same as "white" people if they don't concider themselves the same as "white" people.

As for -blam!--blam!-/-blam!-/-blam!-, etc. I've been called that repetitively, definately am NOT though... which is what makes it annoying... especially if the girl you used to like believes the rumours >_>; To the arguement that is just a thing... so is a girl... is there anything wrong with being a girl? No... but did it bug you in the 2nd grade when people called you it? Of course. It bugs people to be called something they're not. Think of it like American Wedding: "You mother******!" "Yep" I have had several friends who were -blam!--blam!-, do I honestly care? Do they honestly care that they are -blam!-?


Now to summarize this entire post in a bulletted list:

-- Break down the barriers, from both sides, to stop the problems. I don't care what race you are or what your ancestors went though, racism is now a two-way issue.

-- People who call each other derrogatory names are using adult language for 2nd grade school-yard arguements, calling someone -blam!- and calling someone a girl leaves you, the namecaller, with the same social outlook -- and if you need negative attention to satisfy yourself, then I'd recommend getting councelling.

-- Politics are frigged.

[Edited on 8/12/2004 2:51:46 AM by goweb]

  • 08.11.2004 6:33 PM PDT
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The girl thought you were -blam!-? Couldn't you kind of, let her know you're straight in an amusing way?

  • 08.11.2004 7:20 PM PDT
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I don't see how having a different colour makes you more or less superior? Can't we just all get a long?

  • 08.11.2004 8:14 PM PDT
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I can, but there are many who can't... So, for a productive society all we need is tolerance, not acceptance. See that one Family Guy episode for details.

  • 08.11.2004 10:36 PM PDT
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Actually that's a South Park episode, 614 titled The Death Camp of Tolerance.

Anyways, let me put my final statement, which is the same as my above post, but put shortly so some will actually read it.

"Those are children calling you those names. You can't stop them, so do not fret over what you cannot change."

  • 08.12.2004 12:00 AM PDT

"Those are children calling you those names. You can't stop them, so do not fret over what you cannot change."
That's such a bad attitude. If everyone had that attitude, everyone would still be calling black people "-blam!-s" and we'd still be killing -blam!- people.

[Edited on 8/12/2004 2:53:12 AM]

  • 08.12.2004 2:52 AM PDT
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Perhaps things are moving as they should. Circles within circles. Layer upon layer...all in preparation for the day when something like the Covenant (albeit comprised of humans ??? ) attacks and the unprepared are just that and they are gone. Look at the premise of HALO. It's a RELIGIOUS and IDEOLOGICAL war on the part of the Covenant. How much of that philosophical intolerance do we envelope in our own lives each day?

We are an arrogant and prideful species. Hopefully, it won't be our undoing.

Michael O/S

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  • 08.12.2004 8:02 AM PDT

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