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Skill is over host always, but when your playing 50 high there are terrible 50s playing on there 50 and there are good 50s... When you match the good foreign 50s and they have host, that decides the game.

It doesnt always decide the game, you dont have to be skillful to win you just need to time things and work with your team, know what to do on what map your playing and you can beat that host problem...

The thing with everyone who is not a 50 is you think 50s have some sort of advantage to the game than you, THEY DONT; they still have the same control, the same shaped hands and the same minds... they dont have super modded BRs or snipes in MOST cases so its just a matter of smartness.

And playing 50 high, everyone has the same gun skill and the same skill with weapons, its how you go about it and how you think of what to do in situations which makes you better host or not, but host helps A LOT.

I used to pull host every game and destroy foreigners just by out connectioning them, i would have host and know how to use it just based on where the other teams from, if you have host play campy, stand near walls and go for beatdowns. If you dont you have to try more and play harder and figure out how to play on the host no matter how laggy it is.

Past month my connection would lag me out 10times a day when i had host every game, and now im host banned because my connection sucks. But it makes you better skillwise when you dont have host every game.

[Edited on 09.09.2010 2:24 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2010 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Deuce22


The system fails, but Reach will change that.[/quote]
The ranking system is fine.[/quote]Not according to all the people who aren't 50s who blame their inability to get 50s on the ranking system and bad teammates. [/quote]
I CANT GET A 50 GAME IS BORKED[/quote]YA WHEN REACH COME OUT IMMA BE ONYX!!![/quote]



Haha its funny when the generals get on here and have to defend their honor. I havent been able to get above a 45 and Yes, I think its because I have no teammates who are competent enough to play at my level, or they alraedy have their 50 and dont want to risk it. Regardless, the ranking in halo 3 is pathetic at best. so many garbage 50's. and honestly typholision your stats are no better than the account i use. And fancy that, I was ridiculously close to getting onyx. "trueskill" is the wrongword for this because honestly the game doesnt rely on skill. Its teamwork, Unless you're playing lonewolves. and fortunetly enough for most of you generals who have all this time to play 12000 games and bash people who cant boost to their 50s. I know real 50's. I meet very few who arent anything more than egotistical jackasses. So sorry. Reach will seperate that. Atleast reach you are credited for what you do on your own, and if your team carries you you get nothin but CREDITS FOR UR AMAZING GENERAL HELMET. You people make me sick. Real 50s dont say -blam!-. They know they are the best, and they dont need to say anything. Get over yourselves Please. The sad thing is most "Generals" are not all that cool in real life at all.


What is your level exactly, all I see is you going -8 running 42 high slayer. Your definatly the best one on your team

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  • 09.09.2010 2:15 PM PDT

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lol host


Posted by: spartan901

A lot of smack-talk about something that will never happen.



Yeah yeah yeah, the audience gets it. You're Jesus Christ at Halo. No one is better than you and you've never gotten host. You play at black screen every game and still manage to 4 shot everyone even though you aren't even playing.

Take your empty threats elsewhere.

It's easy to marginalize something you obviously have no experience with. Ignorance is bliss. If you knew about host advantage and how much it can change the game, you wouldn't pretend it's nothing.

Play a couple games in Team Slayer against level 50s, and don't count 1 out of every 3 BR bursts. Maybe then you'll smack your forehead and realize "WOW I never knew how hard this was!"

  • 09.09.2010 2:56 PM PDT
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still <3 this thread

  • 09.09.2010 3:26 PM PDT

657 MLG 50s.

Man this thread went from "I cant get a 50" to "50s have host all the time." Seriously though in most of my experience at LAN events most online warriors get dumped on hard cause they dont have their black hole shields that eat every bullet, and cant adjust to no lag. With the exception of BTH last year at Nationals.

  • 09.09.2010 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: MajinBuuuu

Games can be lost because of host, but host is not a deciding factor because you can still win.You're trying to justify the fact you don't have a 50 with a lame excuse like connection.

Bye.


This mindset is the funniest reaction that most ignorant generals have. They assume that anyone complaining about lag is just pissed they arent a 50... when is the last time Offhost or myself played a ranked match? How many years? Honestly.

And if you think "connection" is just a lame excuse it proves the point that you have had much less lag than us, aka an advantage or lack of disadvantage, therefore not everyone's matchmaking experience is the same or fair, so rank doesnt mean as much as you would think.


Not playing ranked much has nothing to do with it. You realized this is too hard, so you switch to playing social so you feel better about yourself that you can beat people who suck at the game. People good enough to have a 50, mostly have one. There are not many exceptions.

  • 09.09.2010 5:49 PM PDT

657 MLG 50s.


Posted by: LastWhiteMocha
Posted by: Crunk N DaTrunk

Posted by: MajinBuuuu

Games can be lost because of host, but host is not a deciding factor because you can still win.You're trying to justify the fact you don't have a 50 with a lame excuse like connection.

Bye.



This mindset is the funniest reaction that most ignorant generals have. They assume that anyone complaining about lag is just pissed they arent a 50... when is the last time Offhost or myself played a ranked match? How many years? Honestly.

And if you think "connection" is just a lame excuse it proves the point that you have had much less lag than us, aka an advantage or lack of disadvantage, therefore not everyone's matchmaking experience is the same or fair, so rank doesnt mean as much as you would think.


Not playing ranked much has nothing to do with it. You realized this is too hard, so you switch to playing social so you feel better about yourself that you can beat people who suck at the game. People good enough to have a 50, mostly have one. There are not many exceptions.


It's really not hard. Some just like to roll with there buddies in some social for the lulz. I enjoy coming home from work having a beer and playing with some friends for a few games.

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Posted by: III Kirby III
You kids have like 5 more days to argue about how much your 50 means.

This. Are you going to be calling 50 checks when reach comes out. So many people will be lying about what/how many 50s they have anyways and even if they dont,once reach comes out 50s will matter less than they do now

[Edited on 09.09.2010 6:53 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2010 6:49 PM PDT

Lone Wolves- 46| Terrible matchmaking warrior
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Team SWAT- 35|
Team Snipers- 44|
Team Doubles- 45|
MLG- 36|

Posted by: Guillotineee
It's really not hard. Some just like to roll with there buddies in some social for the lulz. I enjoy coming home from work having a beer and playing with some friends for a few games.


I understand social is fun but it's no excuse for someone not having a 50 unless they are just really good.

  • 09.09.2010 8:38 PM PDT


Posted by: o0onicko0o
The system fails, but Reach will change that.

The system is absolutely perfect! The highest skill i have got is 46(in lone wolves) and this account has around 5000 games! It took me ONE YEAR to go from 44 to 46!
And exluding all the legit 50s I have never had a 50 but I am definitely better than most of them.

[Edited on 09.09.2010 8:50 PM PDT]

  • 09.09.2010 8:48 PM PDT

Lone Wolves- 46| Terrible matchmaking warrior
Team Slayer- 50|
Team SWAT- 35|
Team Snipers- 44|
Team Doubles- 45|
MLG- 36|

Posted by: outerpol

Posted by: o0onicko0o
The system fails, but Reach will change that.

The system is absolutely perfect! The highest skill i have got is 46(in lone wolves) and this account has around 5000 games! It took me ONE YEAR to go from 44 to 46!
And exluding all the legit 50s I have never had a 50 but I am definitely better than most of them.


So pretty much you're saying that you're better than most of the non legit 50s in which most of them are legit brigs and colonels anyways.

  • 09.09.2010 8:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Deuce22Haha its funny when the generals get on here and have to defend their honor. I havent been able to get above a 45 and Yes, I think its because I have no teammates who are competent enough to play at my level, or they alraedy have their 50 and dont want to risk it. Regardless, the ranking in halo 3 is pathetic at best. so many garbage 50's. and honestly typholision your stats are no better than the account i use. And fancy that, I was ridiculously close to getting onyx. "trueskill" is the wrongword for this because honestly the game doesnt rely on skill. Its teamwork, Unless you're playing lonewolves. and fortunetly enough for most of you generals who have all this time to play 12000 games and bash people who cant boost to their 50s. I know real 50's. I meet very few who arent anything more than egotistical jackasses. So sorry. Reach will seperate that. Atleast reach you are credited for what you do on your own, and if your team carries you you get nothin but CREDITS FOR UR AMAZING GENERAL HELMET. You people make me sick. Real 50s dont say -blam!-. They know they are the best, and they dont need to say anything. Get over yourselves Please. The sad thing is most "Generals" are not all that cool in real life at all.
There is a 100% chance that I'm better than you at Halo 3, and I'm going to go ahead and say that I have a worse connection as well.

There is a 90% chance that I'm cooler than you IRL.

There's a 100% chance that I'm smarter than you.

Tell me what the odds are of you being jealous of all of the above.

  • 09.09.2010 8:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth
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Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth
I find your lack of proof disturbing. Oh wait, no I don't. I completely expected a 50 like you to make a completely unsubstantiated claim that your lag was really bad and then for you not to have a speck of proof in your entire fileshare, when I've got an entire playlist dedicated to it.

0/10


He plays on yellow bar if he's not host. And he is way better than you.

Don't cry about 50s getting their 50 from just pulling host. Many 50s have complete crap connection and still win all the time. Unless of course foreigners pull yellow bar host or something over them. But seriously, quit crying. I have a friend who goes red bar often and never pulls host and he still got a 50. You have no room for excuses.


"Many 50s..."

Generalization with no proof.

"Unless of course foreigners pull yellow bar host or something over them."

Thankyou for proving my point that getting host over someone can cause someone to lose.

"I have a friend..."

No proof


That friend he's talking about is me.

You're an idiot.

  • 09.09.2010 8:53 PM PDT
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This gets pretty repetitive. People with 50s have bad days too. Just because they have one doesn't make them bought. Just like everyone who makes these threads aren't always retarded.

  • 09.09.2010 9:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth

Posted by: OMG Champi0n

Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth


Yep, because 50s never have lag, right?

But what happens when there are multiple 50s in the same match and they live in different countries/continents?


Easy, the 50 with host wins! :)


That's not possible, because generals can't experience lag, and therefore there cannot be a host either.

  • 09.10.2010 3:36 AM PDT


Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth
I respect you and your point. You make a fair one. The Internet is flawed, and we agree to play it the way it is. Lag and all. My point is precisely that. The Internet is flawed. The playing field is not even. Some are given an edge over others unfairly, and sometimes skill does not enter into the equation.

This is my point, I stick by it. I only wish that others would recognize this inherent truth and admit that the playing field is not even, and that sometimes you get an advantage over others because you get host. Those who get host consistently, consistently have an advantage over others, thereby making the path to high rank easier.

There are indeed choice and rare individuals who are masters of the game, who have the ability and will to overcome the worst lag and host advantage imaginable. I acknowledge them, I salute them, and I give them the kudos they deserve as far as the argument goes.

These are not, and cannot be the universal case however, and that is another point I wish to make.

Thankyou for your thoughtful and coherent contribution to the discussion.


Good.

I think its unfair to insinuate that connection is one of the primary factors in achieving a high rank. I think thats pretty far removed from the truth.

Sure, connection will play a factor in every game. The player who is the receipient of host (in an admittedly bad host-selection system) WILL have an advantage to some extent. How big of an advantage is the sum of various factors, including the locations of his opponents, how well specific connections match, and other variables.

However, only in extremely rare circumstances will a connection hinder a good enough player that he's unable to excel, much less get a 50.

You make it sound like you have to have a warrior upload/download to get a 50, thats far from the case. I know plenty of people who can get them on yellow bar and thats the product of skill, teammwork, and a knowledge of the game, not of their internet connection.

Obviously its a factor on XBL but its a pretty nominal one. Between great players, host is an advantage, albeit a small one. Only in trascontinental matches will host be THE deciding factor between players of comprable skill sets. Between most players on Halo, its hardly a deserving scapegoat for individual inadequacies, which is what most people on these forums use it for.

[Edited on 09.10.2010 7:08 AM PDT]

  • 09.10.2010 7:05 AM PDT

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Condoms.

At least I'm going into battle protected. Haha


Yea, the last thing you want is are some elites strapped your your back while a grunt massages your nuts unprotected.

No, Leiutenants, Captains, Majors, Commanders, Colonels and Birgadiers are not legit 50s. A 50 is legit.

  • 09.10.2010 8:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hostility
No, Leiutenants, Captains, Majors, Commanders, Colonels and Birgadiers are not legit 50s. A 50 is legit.


^This^

Why is it always the gold bar kids who moan? Also adding, 50s can have bad days too - we're not always better than people, just the majority of the time lol :D

(50 on my main FYI)

  • 09.10.2010 9:03 AM PDT

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Truth be told, my friend... The rank 50 has no meaning anymore in Halo 3 (Just like in Halo 2)

  • 09.11.2010 12:15 PM PDT

Thanks for the thesis.

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  • 09.11.2010 12:38 PM PDT

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lol host


Posted by: III Kirby III

Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth
I respect you and your point. You make a fair one. The Internet is flawed, and we agree to play it the way it is. Lag and all. My point is precisely that. The Internet is flawed. The playing field is not even. Some are given an edge over others unfairly, and sometimes skill does not enter into the equation.

This is my point, I stick by it. I only wish that others would recognize this inherent truth and admit that the playing field is not even, and that sometimes you get an advantage over others because you get host. Those who get host consistently, consistently have an advantage over others, thereby making the path to high rank easier.

There are indeed choice and rare individuals who are masters of the game, who have the ability and will to overcome the worst lag and host advantage imaginable. I acknowledge them, I salute them, and I give them the kudos they deserve as far as the argument goes.

These are not, and cannot be the universal case however, and that is another point I wish to make.

Thankyou for your thoughtful and coherent contribution to the discussion.


Good.

I think its unfair to insinuate that connection is one of the primary factors in achieving a high rank. I think thats pretty far removed from the truth.

Sure, connection will play a factor in every game. The player who is the receipient of host (in an admittedly bad host-selection system) WILL have an advantage to some extent. How big of an advantage is the sum of various factors, including the locations of his opponents, how well specific connections match, and other variables.

However, only in extremely rare circumstances will a connection hinder a good enough player that he's unable to excel, much less get a 50.

You make it sound like you have to have a warrior upload/download to get a 50, thats far from the case. I know plenty of people who can get them on yellow bar and thats the product of skill, teammwork, and a knowledge of the game, not of their internet connection.

Obviously its a factor on XBL but its a pretty nominal one. Between great players, host is an advantage, albeit a small one. Only in trascontinental matches will host be THE deciding factor between players of comprable skill sets. Between most players on Halo, its hardly a deserving scapegoat for individual inadequacies, which is what most people on these forums use it for.



I disagree with your assertion, mainly because you have no idea what kind of disadvantage I am talking about. You have only played on your connection. Maybe a couple of friends'. You know little of what others are up against.

Until your ignorance is cured by a taste of what players who are at a true disadvantage have to cope with, you will continue to call host a "nominal" advantage.

I have said my piece, and will say it again.

Host is an advantage. It causes you to absorb bullets, warp, shoot from around corners, and other things clients cannot. No player should fire a perfect 6 shot, without missing, into another player and have the other player turn around just to kill them. This is not "skill", this is bullet dropping and refunding.

It is simple. If bullets do not count against a player, they will not die. If theirs do, you will die.

I assert that this concept is not hard to grasp, unless you patently don't believe in bullet refunding, which at best would mean you get host 99% of the time, and at worst would be complete and total willful ignorance.

And with that, adieu.

  • 09.11.2010 1:43 PM PDT
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I'm not making excuses. I never claimed to be good. I have never played any colonel better than me though.


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Posted by: WarriorFor7ruth

No player should fire a perfect 6 shot, without missing, into another player...


lolwut?

  • 09.11.2010 4:41 PM PDT