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Subject: Most non-50's do not have common sense.

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well guess what. some people just have a life besides halo. they don't have to win every game because they don't care. simple as that, you are the one who's not having common sense here..

  • 09.10.2010 12:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Make117
well guess what. some people just have a life besides halo. they don't have to win every game because they don't care. simple as that, you are the one who's not having common sense here..

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  • 09.10.2010 12:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Offense

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Having a 50 shouldn't give you a messiah complex, bro.


Not having one shouldn't give you an inferiority complex, bro.

Win.

Yes it would seem that a small amount of common sense would see people through the ranks to 50. But the problem is when you go in to a game you hit three types of people, either they lack the common sense required to win, they are in parties (chat) so you can't communicate with them or they are de-ranking.

I don't have a 50 because I got to my level and decided to just play for fun as the game is intended (custom games FTW). I do feel that there are too many people who got there 50's by being boosted and what not, but there are also too many narrow minded lower levels accusing legitimate 50's of boosted.

With the release of Reach, I wonder if these sorts of threads will stop???

  • 09.10.2010 12:50 PM PDT

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There's a really condescending tone to your OP. Even if you do have a point on many levels, you really aren't doing anyone any favors or raising anyone's awareness.

I'm a legit 35. Got there on my own, thank you very much. I started playing this game this year. I think on my road to 35 I met up with many second accounters and derankers. I'm not making any excuses, just giving reasons. Frankly, although it was harder to rank up due to these reasons, I think it has made me a better player.

Frankly I couldn't really care about being a 50. I want to win matches, go positive, and help my team. If I can do that as a 35, so be it.

I don't like hearing excuses on the forums either. Most excuses are vapid anyway, with no substance whatsoever. A disguise for one's inadequacies.

  • 09.10.2010 1:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Offense

So do you agree or disagree with my analysis?


Disagree. Common sense is not a function of Halo 3 rank, nor is Halo 3 rank a function of common sense. Sure, common sense is part of what goes into skillful play of a game, but it is not by any means the only determining factor. Your argument is full of holes and conclusions which have nothing to do with evidence.

I don't have a 50 because I'm not good enough at Halo to have one. It has nothing to do with the functioning of my brain. Good day, sir.

[Edited on 09.10.2010 1:20 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2010 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: x S p 0 n G e
you could get them daft colonials who run up and get 30 kills and 30 deaths and a 50 who gets 10 kills and 0 deaths and tbh i would say the colonial has done more of an effort for the team.


Hell no.

Here, lets try to do some math here

+10 > 0

Do you understand now why the retard dying 30 times just sucks?

  • 09.10.2010 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Offense
"My connection sucks" is my favorite excuse, simply because I managed to achieve multiple playlist 50's, on a connection of 2MB/s Download, and .45 MB/s Upload, whilst living across the continent from the majority of players, playing on hosts usually around ~2000 miles away, while never actually receiving host myself.


I agree with most of your post, but...

Try playing on my connection and then say it doesn't make a differnce. 20kb/sec DL and 40 kb/ UL. Not to mention most of the time I am playing on American Host (I am English) which, no matter what you Americans think, makes a HUGE difference in games, some games I could probably get 7/8 more kills with a better connection/host. I played an MLG game or heretic earlier where I would have had around 5 more kills on an English host.

But yeah, most of what you say is true.

  • 09.10.2010 1:30 PM PDT

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I wouldn't necessarily say common sense is what's lacking (it is in some cases) but rather it's the game sense which is lacking.
Basically when some players are confronted with behaviour they've never faced before they subconsciously won't adapt and will keep trying the same thing despite it getting them killed repeatedly etc.

I know because for the first year or so of playing this game I did exactly that and gained nothing from it until I made a conscious effort to analyse what I was doing wrong and teach myself better gameplay.

EDIT: Dom's host remark is also very true. American host sucks almost as badly as Australian host for us in the UK.
Not that anything can be done about host selection other than accepting a crap connection and getting on with it.

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  • 09.10.2010 1:37 PM PDT

I Definitely agree that it shouldn't be hard to get a 50. but having a 50 doesnt mean you have any more common sense than a 10. a lot of times kids (like me if you look at my KD) just like to have fun. im not a tryhard, but when i'm in the mood i know how to play like a good teammate and how to communicate. but yes, a lot of people on halo 3 are kids who have no clue what they're doing. but not everyone who doesnt have a 50 is like that.

  • 09.10.2010 1:45 PM PDT

Also, remember that it's a game you're talking about.

Does someones skill level matter at all?

A game is meant to be fun.

[Edited on 09.10.2010 1:48 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2010 1:48 PM PDT

I'm a 47 and I support this thread.

I shake my head in amazement every time I see teammates camping in the bases getting naded on snowbound... every time they jump off mancannon with the missile pod and waste every shot at the beginning of the game, every time they run top-mid guardian 20 times in a row.

And I think to myself: how is it possible they managed to get to the same rank as me? >_> idk, I guess I'm just a lot dumber than I realize.


Posted by: x S p 0 n G e
you could get them daft colonials who run up and get 30 kills and 30 deaths and a 50 who gets 10 kills and 0 deaths and tbh i would say the colonial has done more of an effort for the team.


That's exactly the kind of thinking that leads to people dropping these epic -20's. You think that it's just about kills, kills, kills and constantly rush. News flash: that doesn't work, you never actually trade 1-for-1, you fall victim to pre-nading and teamwork and end up more like 10 kills and 30 deaths.

If you played smart and stopped rushing without an opening then you would get even more kills AND less deaths.


Posted by: domomd367
Posted by: Offense
"My connection sucks" is my favorite excuse, simply because I managed to achieve multiple playlist 50's, on a connection of 2MB/s Download, and .45 MB/s Upload, whilst living across the continent from the majority of players, playing on hosts usually around ~2000 miles away, while never actually receiving host myself.


I agree with most of your post, but...

Try playing on my connection and then say it doesn't make a differnce. 20kb/sec DL and 40 kb/ UL. Not to mention most of the time I am playing on American Host (I am English) which, no matter what you Americans think, makes a HUGE difference in games, some games I could probably get 7/8 more kills with a better connection/host. I played an MLG game or heretic earlier where I would have had around 5 more kills on an English host.

But yeah, most of what you say is true.


He's not saying that connection and host doesn't make a difference, he's saying that considering how low the skill bar required to get a 50 is, even people on bad connections should be able to get one.

  • 09.10.2010 2:05 PM PDT

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Well the OP is quite accurate, though the tone seems slightly sardontic.

I see the problem as three parts:

1) people are apathetic
2) people are idiots because they truly do lack common sense or any sense of logic
3) people are just playing to pass time

Though, this stuff has been obvious since the early days of Halo 2. Watching kids run in the open on Headlong when the other team had both snipers. *sigh*

[Edited on 09.10.2010 2:15 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2010 2:07 PM PDT

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I'm not a 50. I probably won't be able to get one.
One: I don't have lots of friends that play Halo at the same time as me, they're usually on when I'm asleep. I've only had a full team in TS from my friends list twice.
Two: I'm simply not good enough to adapt from the leap in skill from 40 - 45 that I usually encounter. I... I just ain't good enough.

  • 09.10.2010 2:10 PM PDT

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You ever notice, that after three years, most of the 50s have devoloped some sort of MASSIVE ego, making them think that they are better than anyone, even people that could have recently bought the game?

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Disagree.

Before I say why, let me clear something up. Everyone plays for fun. Whether their definition of fun is winning or losing. I have fun by just playing the game, regardless of the outcome.

My goal, along with many others, is to enjoy the game. Which isn't always necessarily winning. Which means I won't always do what somebody wants just because they want to win.

the rest is teamwork, which anyone can become good at, so there's really no excuse in a game dominated by teamwork, besides lacking common sense.They're are many, many more reasons why someone wouldn't want to work with the team.

Countless times, when god forbid, i don't search in a team, i usually end up with some brigadier or colonel on my team who for whatever reason, cannot resist charging top mid, and dieing over and over, and eventually costing us the game.

Why, after several deaths, and no kills, would he continue to do what is failing him?

Common sense, bro.
This, I do have to agree on, although it happens to all ranks. Not just Brigadiers and Colonels. After this statement, OP get off track and rants about things that very little to do about commonsense.

Another example of non 50's lacking common sense is when they try to make excuses for not being a 50, rather than simply stating "I'm not smart enough."This has nothing to do with commonsense. It either means he's ignorant, arrogant, or to ashamed to admit it.

"My connection sucks" is my favorite excuse, simply because I managed to achieve multiple playlist 50's, on a connection of 2MB/s Download, and .45 MB/s Upload, whilst living across the continent from the majority of players, playing on hosts usually around ~2000 miles away, while never actually receiving host myself.That's circumstantial, but in most cases is just an excuse.

Then there's the non 50's who say "I could be a 50, but i always get bad teammates"

I always lol at this one. Seriously, after THREE years you still haven't figured out that you can search with a team? I'd be blaming myself for being so stupid, instead of blaming my teammates.
True you can search with a team, but that doesn't mean your team will be online when you're online. Also, in the case that your teammates aren't good at the game, can be a bad thing.

Some non 50's have the notion that all 50's "ply all day err day and have no lifes"

Also hilarious. It's like they actually beleive that there's no possible way someone can maintain a job, go to school, hang with friends, all the while being able to excel in a video game.

Obviously every single 50 spends their entire life playing halo, right?
All this is just stupid. It's anger/jealousy that compels someone to say this to another.

Then there are the non 50's who beleive the soul reason they haven't themselves achieved the rank, is because they get cheated every game. Some even have the audacity to say second accounts are cheating.

If someone's account expires, or they've been sharing an account with a lesser skilled sibling, and want to see what they are capable of without having someone hold them back, that's cheating?
Second-accounts made for the purpose of "starting over" or winning profusely is just morally wrong.

Some non 50's who complain about cheating are just inexperienced players who have no clue what they're talking about, and think that every time someone eats a shot, or doesn't die from a beatdown, the other player MUST be cheating, because they honestly beleive that an online game played around the world should have absolutely zero lag.Although it may sound like a generalization, a large portion think in this manner, not just lower ranked people.

  • 09.10.2010 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bowserkilla
You ever notice, that after three years, most of the 50s have devoloped some sort of MASSIVE ego, making them think that they are better than anyone, even people that could have recently bought the game?

Don't be so quick to assume it's an ego, although sme members and playrs display this attitude.

I, personally, use my number to reflect where I stand amongst the masses, whether that be lower or higher.

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Considering that most of them are fake, either bought or lagswitched, let them have their egos...cause they lose 9 out of 10 games...

  • 09.10.2010 2:28 PM PDT
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Peace

I haven't met anyone that is not a 50 and like that.

  • 09.10.2010 2:43 PM PDT
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OP, do you have a 50 in LWs?

  • 09.10.2010 2:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Offense

Posted by: Hi I Pwn
Having a 50 shouldn't give you a messiah complex, bro.


Not having one shouldn't give you an inferiority complex, bro.


Hardly, he's just staing the facts. So, you have a 50.... congrats? Good job? Do you want recognition or what? Some people simply don't play Halo that much, or when they do, don't play games that net them XP. Last I checked, there were several game types and playlists in Halo 3 that didn't raise rank. Rank doesn't make you any better than other players; it just labels you as a number.

Truth be told, rank and ranking up is but one feature of Halo 3, and to many, not even an important part thereof.

Hell, I enjoyed what little of Halo 3 I played, but most of my time was spent in custom games or Forge than anything else. I think I have a grand total of ~150 ranked games played. For me the fun of the game was in playing with friends, having a good time, and screwing arond in custom games.

Everybody plays the game differently, and by doing so has fun in their own way. Some people could care nothing about their rank or playing ranked games, while some like the OP think that a video game ranking is the most important thing in the game. Neither play-style is 'bad', just examples of people having fun in different ways.

And to save you the trouble OP, what little ranked games I've played have made me a Staff Capatin. So there, no need to rush over to my profile in an attempt to find some excuse to belittle me instead of trying to carry on an intelligent, informed discussion.

[Edited on 09.10.2010 3:17 PM PDT]

  • 09.10.2010 3:00 PM PDT
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I remember back in the early days, when someone having a 50 meant that they were indeed good and taht you tried to watch how they played and learn, and get amazed by their skill.
These days a 50 means nothing since they're sold/boosted for a dollar, beaten a lot of 45-50 in 1 vs 1 BR duels, something that shouldn't be easily achieved if they were true 50's.

On the other hand I seldom care about rang, I play to have fun, prefer good players that care about teamplay and avoid those who doesn't.

  • 09.10.2010 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Offense

Posted by: Hi I Pwn
Having a 50 shouldn't give you a messiah complex, bro.


Not having one shouldn't give you an inferiority complex, bro.


Hardly, he's just staing the facts. So, you have a 50.... congrats? Good job? Do you want recognition or what? Some people simply don't play Halo that much, or when they do, don't play games that net them XP. Last I checked, there were several game types and playlists in Halo 3 that didn't raise rank. Rank doesn't make you any better than other players; it just labels you as a number.

Truth be told, rank and ranking up is but one feature of Halo 3, and to many, not even an important part thereof.

Hell, I enjoyed what little of Halo 3 I played, but most of my time was spent in custom games or Forge than anything else. I think I have a grand total of ~150 ranked games played. For me the fun of the game was in playing with friends, having a good time, and screwing arond in custom games.

Everybody plays the game differently, and by doing so has fun in their own way. Some people could care nothing about their rank or playing ranked games, while some like the OP think that a video game ranking is the most important thing in the game. Neither play-style is 'bad', just examples of people having fun in different ways.

And to save to the trouble OP, what little ranked games I've played have made me a Staff Capatin. So there, no need to rush over to my profile in an attempt to find some excuse to belittle me instead of trying to carry on an intelligent, informed discussion.


This thread was meant to be for the people that are always complaining about not being 50s for some stupid reason. Those of you who know you should not be 50s have the common sense he is talking about. Also if you are a staff captain chances are that is where you probably should be. most people who dont play ranked usually arent very good to begin with.

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Posted by: Grumbledock
I remember back in the early days, when someone having a 50 meant that they were indeed good and taht you tried to watch how they played and learn, and get amazed by their skill.
These days a 50 means nothing since they're sold/boosted for a dollar, beaten a lot of 45-50 in 1 vs 1 BR duels, something that shouldn't be easily achieved if they were true 50's.

On the other hand I seldom care about rang, I play to have fun, prefer good players that care about teamplay and avoid those who doesn't.


A 50 is more than individual skill, a having a 50 means that you can use teamwork to learn and adapt to other teams statagies. If you can out BR me then good for you, chances are my team will probably still win

  • 09.10.2010 3:23 PM PDT

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