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Posted by: Naked Eli

I understand the conundrum. But honestly, has Tyrant gone through every Conqueror's File Share and watched all 9 videos just to make sure they were done legit? I don't believe so.

The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time. The game stats might provide key information like key enemies that had to be killed at all checkpoints, but you are correct that it is not foolproof.


This, and the demonstration you showed was Nightfall.
Do you really expect people to get through Long Night of Solace in 55 minutes with ten kills?

  • 03.14.2011 7:51 AM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.


Posted by: jew man man

Posted by: Naked Eli

I understand the conundrum. But honestly, has Tyrant gone through every Conqueror's File Share and watched all 9 videos just to make sure they were done legit? I don't believe so.

The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time. The game stats might provide key information like key enemies that had to be killed at all checkpoints, but you are correct that it is not foolproof.


This, and the demonstration you showed was Nightfall.
Do you really expect people to get through Long Night of Solace in 55 minutes with ten kills?


I don't know about Tyrant, but I know that I've watched just about every mythic conqueror's run. I like to see how other people approach things compared to how I did. At the very least, you just need to make sure the film starts at the beginning. Then, if the stats are legit, you know the run was from start to finish, I.E. no deaths.

And honestly, it's not about whether or not we or Tyrant want to take the time to check, it's about having that PROOF in case it's ever called into question. The film is really the only way to prove beyond a doubt that the mission was completed start to finish. Everything else can be checked in gamestats. Because we REQUIRE it to be done in one sitting, we must also REQUIRE the film as a means of verifying this requirement has been met. If we don't check it, that's a failing on our part, but it does not negate the requirement.

You also have to keep in mind that SOMEONE will be watching your video at some point, and if they find it's not legit, the whistle WILL be blown.

  • 03.14.2011 8:25 AM PDT

Tyrant, Bungie should give you your own exclusive skull. This just isn't challenging enough for your taste.

  • 03.14.2011 8:30 AM PDT

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Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

Posted by: Blood Gulch 7
Tyrant, Bungie should give you your own exclusive skull. This just isn't challenging enough for your taste.

Tyrant skull: effects - All enemies become clad in white suits and become invincible.

:P

[Edited on 03.14.2011 8:46 AM PDT]

  • 03.14.2011 8:46 AM PDT

Dunno if its already been said but you should know that if you die in LASO all you have to do is hit pause and then hit the middle button to go back to the xbox dashboard. When you load the game from your previous save point you can continue on... I thought Laso was gonna be hard until I figured that out; now its meh.

  • 03.14.2011 8:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: Blood Gulch 7
Tyrant, Bungie should give you your own exclusive skull. This just isn't challenging enough for your taste.

Tyrant skull: effects - All enemies become clad in white suits and become invincible.

:P

I'm not even sure that would be enough. He's the Chuck Norris of Campaign.

  • 03.14.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: ExP Styx
Dunno if its already been said but you should know that if you die in LASO all you have to do is hit pause and then hit the middle button to go back to the xbox dashboard. When you load the game from your previous save point you can continue on... I thought Laso was gonna be hard until I figured that out; now its meh.


One reason why saved films are a requirement I guess. Anyway, I'm gonna link these now, for the time being, until I get the others done(or if;p).I do not look forward to playing the last mission.

Winter Contingency
ONI:Sword BaseThat general near the anti air gun was a -blam!-, it survived a friggin orbital strike O_o. *Que tactical bypass.* Thank god that we can activate the air gun from below.
Nightfall

[Edited on 03.14.2011 9:15 AM PDT]

  • 03.14.2011 9:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Blood Gulch 7

Posted by: AuraSoldier313
Posted by: Blood Gulch 7
Tyrant, Bungie should give you your own exclusive skull. This just isn't challenging enough for your taste.

Tyrant skull: effects - All enemies become clad in white suits and become invincible.

:P

I'm not even sure that would be enough. He's the Chuck Norris of Campaign.


Some say that Tyrant is the real reason the Covenant came to earth... to stop him before he becomes even more powerful...

  • 03.14.2011 11:42 AM PDT

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  • 03.14.2011 12:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Naked Eli
The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time.

Summer Mythic Recon Challenge. At the end of it, conquerors before a certain date got Recon anyway.

Now, I'm not saying Bungie is ever gonna give away stars for Mythic Completion (or some other prize), but its mostly about the principle of the thing. If you can cheat to get onto the list, whats the point in even having the list? Outside of Halo of course that doesn't matter but inside its all important.

I thought it was supposed to be a list of people that definitely have done mythic rather than those that only probably, sort-of have.

The game stats might provide key information like key enemies that had to be killed at all checkpoints, but you are correct that it is not foolproof.


Posted by: jew man man
...the demonstration you showed was Nightfall.
Do you really expect people to get through Long Night of Solace in 55 minutes with ten kills?

The level in question is irrelevant. Nightfall is simply the easiest one to get through to demonstrate. I could create stats that looked legit for:
Winter Contingency, ONI: Sword Base, Tip of the Spear, LNoS, Exodus, New Alexandria and the Pillar of Autumn.

Thats 8/9 compromised with a stats-only verification method.

But while they could be the stats to a legit Mythic completion, I could damn well make it from a run that wasn't.

So, what do you do? Implement some sort of minimum kill count per level? What if someone claims to have got some secret work-around, or claims to have waited some inordinate amount of time and the AI supposedly killed the 'key' enemy in question? Many enemies can be bypassed, or substituted (stats-wise) with enemies later on in the level that you could have bypassed. Even still, you're going to have to look very closely at the stats to identify dodgy ones, and checking the skulls and difficulty, and playing the first 10 seconds of a film on your Xbox is probably easier by that point!

Or are we not going to care that they cheated on Nightfall since its the easiest anyway? Oh, I guess we'll just ask people do LNoS and PoA and they're on the list since they could probably do the rest anyway right? Do we even still require films for those two? I guess it doesn't really matter if they died 5 times before the first cutscene in PoA, since that section is easy right? Why do we even have a no-death requirement at that point? Why is Mythic even in the thread title? Its really only LASO with scoring turned on...


/frustrated

Posted by: General Khazard
At the very least, you just need to make sure the film starts at the beginning. Then, if the stats are legit, you know the run was from start to finish, I.E. no deaths.

I've done this with most people's films too.

Posted by: ExP Styx
I thought Laso was gonna be hard until I figured that out; now its meh.

^And this.

[Edited on 03.14.2011 12:55 PM PDT]

  • 03.14.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: RC Master
Posted by: Naked Eli
The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time.

Summer Mythic Recon Challenge. At the end of it, conquerors before a certain date got Recon anyway.


What, seriously?! Every single person who conquered it got recon armor at the end of the challenge?

Are you sure you're not mistaken? This is the quote in question:

If you managed to conquer all nine of these challenges, not only do you now walk the plains that few have traveled before you, but you have also earned a seat in the 10th and final raffle for Recon.

The raffle will be held this upcoming Friday, and the winner (notice it's singular) will receive the final Mythic Recon suit, a reward given for conquering a seemingly unbeatable feat.

In order to ensure that you gain entry into this final raffle, please send a PM to Tyrant122312 and include LABELED hyperlinks to the game statistics of each and every one of your contest submissions. There should be NINE total. Title your private message "SMRC-X" and send it between now and Thursday envenoming 11:59pm.


Emphasis and parenthesis mine.

If you're right then all I have to say is, -blam!- Sierra 117.

  • 03.14.2011 3:43 PM PDT

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Having only played through the Reach campaign once I can only imagine how hard this must be...

  • 03.14.2011 4:48 PM PDT

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ran into nak3d eli in matchmaking today, aside from the smackdown his team laid on mine it was kind of cool to run into someone from here

  • 03.14.2011 6:54 PM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.


Posted by: Michael_Archer

Posted by: RC Master
Posted by: Naked Eli
The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time.

Summer Mythic Recon Challenge. At the end of it, conquerors before a certain date got Recon anyway.


What, seriously?! Every single person who conquered it got recon armor at the end of the challenge?

Are you sure you're not mistaken? This is the quote in question:

If you managed to conquer all nine of these challenges, not only do you now walk the plains that few have traveled before you, but you have also earned a seat in the 10th and final raffle for Recon.

The raffle will be held this upcoming Friday, and the winner (notice it's singular) will receive the final Mythic Recon suit, a reward given for conquering a seemingly unbeatable feat.

In order to ensure that you gain entry into this final raffle, please send a PM to Tyrant122312 and include LABELED hyperlinks to the game statistics of each and every one of your contest submissions. There should be NINE total. Title your private message "SMRC-X" and send it between now and Thursday envenoming 11:59pm.


Emphasis and parenthesis mine.

If you're right then all I have to say is, -blam!- Sierra 117.


They did give it to everyone who completed the game on mythic. I remember that's how I got it, and I still refuse to do the final vidmaster on ODST to prove I EARNED my H3 Recon.

  • 03.14.2011 8:42 PM PDT

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^ I never knew that, I remember there being a weekly update at some point that listed the number of people that completed the campaign on mythic and it was 2 people and they said they were getting recon. I never knew that everyone else got it too, I thought it was sort of a one time (or 2 time thing).

Also, I never could get four people that were willing to do the ODST vidmaster, but I still want to do it some day

  • 03.14.2011 9:03 PM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.


Posted by: Leumas786
^ I never knew that, I remember there being a weekly update at some point that listed the number of people that completed the campaign on mythic and it was 2 people and they said they were getting recon. I never knew that everyone else got it too, I thought it was sort of a one time (or 2 time thing).

Also, I never could get four people that were willing to do the ODST vidmaster, but I still want to do it some day


I can do it sometime. That's not the vidmaster I'm avoiding. Just gotta find a couple other people to join us. :)

  • 03.14.2011 9:32 PM PDT

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  • 03.14.2011 9:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: General Khazard

Posted by: Leumas786
^ I never knew that, I remember there being a weekly update at some point that listed the number of people that completed the campaign on mythic and it was 2 people and they said they were getting recon. I never knew that everyone else got it too, I thought it was sort of a one time (or 2 time thing).

Also, I never could get four people that were willing to do the ODST vidmaster, but I still want to do it some day


I can do it sometime. That's not the vidmaster I'm avoiding. Just gotta find a couple other people to join us. :)


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  • 03.14.2011 11:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: RC Master

Or are we not going to care that they cheated on Nightfall since its the easiest anyway?


This is what I was going for.
Thousands of people have finished Nightfall, it's not hard.
Missions like LNoS and PoA are the ones to watch closely. You sure as hell can't finish LNoS with no Banshee/Seraph kills.
And finishing with less than 5 Elite kills is also impossible.

What I'm trying to say is, there's no way people would put that much effort into completing a fake run to get on the list. Even if they do, the only person they'd be cheating was themselves.

[Edited on 03.15.2011 2:22 AM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 2:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: jew man man

Posted by: RC Master

Or are we not going to care that they cheated on Nightfall since its the easiest anyway?


This is what I was going for.
Thousands of people have finished Nightfall, it's not hard.
Missions like LNoS and PoA are the ones to watch closely. You sure as hell can't finish LNoS with no Banshee/Seraph kills.
And finishing with less than 5 Elite kills is also impossible.

What I'm trying to say is, there's no way people would put that much effort into completing a fake run to get on the list. Even if they do, the only person they'd be cheating was themselves.


^This. What if someone beats the game on mythic and forgets to save their films? I would say that that person has definitely completed Mythic. Whether they want the recognition from the community is up to them.

I remember in the H3 days that we did Mythic just to see if we could (and a little bit for recon). Completion was satisfaction. No one cared about the list. Who cares about the list now? The truth is no one. Bungie didn't give recon to people who had previously completed Mythic; they gave it to dedicated players like myself who did the one mission per week until they were all complete. Only 5 players got Recon this way.

Also, people don't even have enough room in their standard file shares to show all the film clips. And no one is going to ask to see one film over the other because frankly it is a personal achievement and doesn't require someone else's approval for you to know you beat Mythic.

Again, if their goal is to get on the list, maybe they could cheat their way on. But that would be dumb, no one cares, and if anyone ever cared enough to scrutinize the game stats, they could probably tell if it was fake or not.

  • 03.15.2011 2:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Khazard

Posted by: Michael_Archer

Posted by: RC Master
Posted by: Naked Eli
The Mythic Community runs on an honor code. If someone cheats their way onto the list without doing mythic legit, I feel sorry for them for wasting their time.

Summer Mythic Recon Challenge. At the end of it, conquerors before a certain date got Recon anyway.


What, seriously?! Every single person who conquered it got recon armor at the end of the challenge?

Are you sure you're not mistaken? This is the quote in question:

If you managed to conquer all nine of these challenges, not only do you now walk the plains that few have traveled before you, but you have also earned a seat in the 10th and final raffle for Recon.

The raffle will be held this upcoming Friday, and the winner (notice it's singular) will receive the final Mythic Recon suit, a reward given for conquering a seemingly unbeatable feat.

In order to ensure that you gain entry into this final raffle, please send a PM to Tyrant122312 and include LABELED hyperlinks to the game statistics of each and every one of your contest submissions. There should be NINE total. Title your private message "SMRC-X" and send it between now and Thursday envenoming 11:59pm.


Emphasis and parenthesis mine.

If you're right then all I have to say is, -blam!- Sierra 117.


They did give it to everyone who completed the game on mythic. I remember that's how I got it, and I still refuse to do the final vidmaster on ODST to prove I EARNED my H3 Recon.


No they didn't. They only gave it to people who finished it before a certain date, like August 27th or something. They also gave it to the people who finished every mission via the SMRC.
The reason they gave it to everyone before August 27th, was because that's when the SMRC started, I'm pretty sure. Which meant the first fifteen recieved it. However, vMidnightShadev was annoyed at the time, because being number fifteen he should have recieved it. But Tyrant spelt his name wrong in sending the submission to Bungie, so he never recieved his Recon.


According to HaloCharts,
I'm #11 at Sword kills in Campaign. Thank you LNoS!
#34 at Spartan Lazer kills in Campaign
#16 at Mongoose Kills in Campaign! (heh)
and #29 at Rocket Hog Turret kills in Campaign

[Edited on 03.15.2011 3:48 AM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 3:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: jew man man
You sure as hell can't finish LNoS with no Banshee/Seraph kills.
And finishing with less than 5 Elite kills is also impossible.

Thats not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone, for example, saving and qutting at the start of the Sabre section so they don't have to do the beach section again, and just keep reloading from there until they get it.

You might say 'oh, well the beach is the easiest section anyway' but point of Mythic as opposed to LASO is the in one sitting stipulation. No deaths, no saves, no going back to the menu, no loading from part way into the mission. Thats half the difficulty gone right there.

If thats not an actual, enforcable, stipulation anymore (or ever was?), then what is the sodding point?

Whats the practical difference between someone who did it LASO with a death 5 minutes from the beginning, and someone who did it with a death 5 minutes from the end? One can sort of fudge it to make it look like they didn't die?

What I'm trying to say is, there's no way people would put that much effort into completing a fake run to get on the list.
Its less effort, actually. You get to skip part of the mission every time you try it if you pick your checkpoint and strategy right.

Even if they do, the only person they'd be cheating was themselves. If one person cheats to get on the list it calls into question the legitimacy of every single other person on the list. Unless people have films currently in their fileshares, their conquerorship is reduced to merely heresay.

Legendary Smile doesn't have any of his films up any more, but he did at one point, and they were checked while they were up there (I know I checked them).

If people come into this thread now, and realise that all you need to do is post some valid-ish looking stats, suddenly his accomplishment doesn't look so impressive. He might even seem like a cheater. Same for everyone else on the list or hoping to be there. Suddenly we just look like a group of people circularly vouching for one another ("Ooh yes, I saw his stats, they looked alright") to make ourselves look impressive rather than people that actually have completed the whole game on Legendary, with all skulls on and no deaths in any segment and no saves.

Might as well take the list down since, the list of LASO completers would quickly get too long...

Posted by: jew man man
No they didn't. They only gave it to people who finished it before a certain date, like August 27th or something. They also gave it to the people who finished every mission via the SMRC.

This is what I meant. I unfortunately missed out on both counts since I only got into Mythic with the SMRC and missed one of the weeks' missions (which i then did the subsequent week :( )

Again, I'm not saying history will repeat itself in any fashion but if Bungie asks us 'who has completed Mythic and proved it' we won't actually be able to point to the list anymore.

Posted by: Naked Eli
What if someone beats the game on mythic and forgets to save their films? I would say that that person has definitely completed Mythic. Whether they want the recognition from the community is up to them.

Its also about being able to easily prove it, especially if someone does list it as one of their accomplishments (like you do). If the list is compromised, saved films are the fallback, if you ever decided to remove them, then you have no proof at all.

[Edited on 03.15.2011 6:58 AM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 6:27 AM PDT

When the dust settles, you will learn what true terror is.


Posted by: RC Master
Posted by: jew man man
You sure as hell can't finish LNoS with no Banshee/Seraph kills.
And finishing with less than 5 Elite kills is also impossible.

Thats not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone, for example, saving and qutting at the start of the Sabre section so they don't have to do the beach section again, and just keep reloading from there until they get it.

You might say 'oh, well the beach is the easiest section anyway' but point of Mythic as opposed to LASO is the in one sitting stipulation. No deaths, no saves, no going back to the menu, no loading from part way into the mission. Thats half the difficulty gone right there.

If thats not an actual, enforcable, stipulation anymore (or ever was?), then what is the sodding point?

What I'm trying to say is, there's no way people would put that much effort into completing a fake run to get on the list.
Its less effort, actually. You get to skip part of the mission every time you try it if you pick your checkpoint and strategy right.

Even if they do, the only person they'd be cheating was themselves. If one person cheats to get on the list it calls into question the legitimacy of every single other person on the list. Unless people have films currently in their fileshares, their conquerorship is reduced to merely heresay.

Legendary Smile doesn't have any of his films up any more, but he did at one point, and they were checked while they were up there (I know I checked them).

If people come into this thread now, and realise that all you need to do is post some valid-ish looking stats, suddenly his accomplishment doesn't look so impressive. He might even seem like a cheater. Same for everyone else on the list or hoping to be there. Suddenly we just look like a group of people circularly vouching for one another ("Ooh yes, I saw his stats, they looked alright") to make ourselves look impressive rather than people that actually have completed the whole game on Legendary, with all skulls on and no deaths in any segment and no saves.

Might as well take the list down since, the list of LASO completers would quickly get too long...

Posted by: jew man man
No they didn't. They only gave it to people who finished it before a certain date, like August 27th or something. They also gave it to the people who finished every mission via the SMRC.

This is what I meant. I unfortunately missed out on both counts since I only got into Mythic with the SMRC and missed one of the weeks' missions (which i then did the subsequent week :( )

Again, I'm not saying history will repeat itself in any fashion but if Bungie asks us 'who has completed Mythic and proved it' we won't actually be able to point to the list anymore.

Posted by: Naked Eli
What if someone beats the game on mythic and forgets to save their films? I would say that that person has definitely completed Mythic. Whether they want the recognition from the community is up to them.

Its also about being able to easily prove it, especially if someone does list it as one of their accomplishments (like you do).


I have to agree with RC. We established a set of rules to distinguish Mythic from LASO. We HAVE to enforce those rules when giving credit to those who complete the game on Mythic. If someone doesn't care about getting on the list and beats the game on Mythic for themselves without saving the films, then good on them! They won't care that they aren't on the list because they've gotten their satisfaction from completing their goal. But for those who want community recognition, there must be proof of their accomplishment so we can verify that they deserve the community's recognition as a mythic conqueror.

As far as the SMRC, I meant by my response that all those who had completed the mythic campaign FOR THE SMRC (I.E. those who had completed all of the missions during their respective week-long challenges) received recon. I know I was one of them.

[Edited on 03.15.2011 6:57 AM PDT]

  • 03.15.2011 6:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: General Khazard


I have to agree with RC.


I'm not disagreeing, just considering filmless game-stats as being valid.

  • 03.15.2011 7:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: jew man man

Posted by: General Khazard


I have to agree with RC.


I'm not disagreeing, just considering filmless game-stats as being valid.


Without the film (or at the very least a screenshot of the opening cutscene) we can't verify that the mission was done from the start, regardless of how legit their stats seem. So, for validity in the eyes of the community, filmless game-stats can't be valid.

  • 03.15.2011 7:09 AM PDT