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Subject: Official Halo: Reach *Mythic Difficulty* Guide (LASO for all missions)

Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror #11
ODST Mythic Conqueror #2
Reach Mythic Conqueror #2
Halo: CEA Mythic Conqueror #1
Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

Posted by: Naked Eli
Posted by: Sangheilioz
It should always be about the personal challenge. In fact it always HAS been about the personal challenge. Nobody on the list of conquerors did it just to be on a list on some game forum, they did it to challenge themselves and push themselves to their limits. They did it to accomplish something that only the truly dedicated can accomplish. Sure, it's nice to be credited among your peers in the community that has built up around this challenge, but it's not, and has never been, the goal.

Amen.

Informative blog read too. The way it will pan out is everyone will have their own unique settings (w/ or w/o bandana, w/ or w/o grunt funeral skull, etc.) but I hope we will continue to share and relate to each others' personal adventures and experiences.

I have a feeling that people who use all skulls will be poked at by the "detrimental skulls only" crowd, but I'm standing strong as a purist SS SLASOist. The civil war is upon us! ;)

Guess I'm on your side then Eli. Even if some people want to keep to the "Spirit of Mythic" I'd rather use everything than exclude something. It's all a matter of preference really, and I'll be using everything as that's my preference; each to his own.

We've already established that Halo 2 and CEA aren't/won't be considered as Mythic so there's little left to really discuss on the matter. I think we're done for real this time folks.

  • 10.21.2011 1:41 AM PDT
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I'll be sitting this one out. The deal with the Grunt Funeral skull and Bandana skull just make the whole thing more effort than its worth.
I'll stick to regular Legendary instead.

  • 10.21.2011 2:08 AM PDT

Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror #11
ODST Mythic Conqueror #2
Reach Mythic Conqueror #2
Halo: CEA Mythic Conqueror #1
Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

Posted by: jew man man
I'll be sitting this one out. The deal with the Grunt Funeral skull and Bandana skull just make the whole thing more effort than its worth.
I'll stick to regular Legendary instead.

D:

What happened to us joking about how you were only a day behind me with finishing Reach, and how you suggested you could probably beat me with CEA? With you gone I'll lose my main competition :(

  • 10.21.2011 2:16 AM PDT

I'd like to point out that I'm going to play it both ways (LASO and detrimental-skulls-only). My point is that I view the latter version to be more in-tune with the Mythic ideal.

  • 10.21.2011 5:27 AM PDT

Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror #11
ODST Mythic Conqueror #2
Reach Mythic Conqueror #2
Halo: CEA Mythic Conqueror #1
Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

Posted by: Sangheilioz
I'd like to point out that I'm going to play it both ways (LASO and detrimental-skulls-only). My point is that I view the latter version to be more in-tune with the Mythic ideal.

I think it's important to note that with Halo 3, ODST and Reach, practically all the skulls were detrimental and made things harder, and with Halo 2 and CEA we actually have some skulls that help the player (Envy and Bandana respectively). What I think Tyrant and yourself never really made clear back in the old days was that Mythic didn't need to have 'player friendly' skulls active, in fact you guys never mentioned it once. So now come CEA when you're suggesting a harder experience with less of the 'player friendly' skulls, really it's just taking away from the definition people like myself and Eli stood by which was Mythic = all skulls.

That right there is the reason our little community is starting to see some segregation; originally everyone's view of Mythic was just all skulls, now Tyrant/yourself/etc have jumped to the "Oh but we've always been about the toughest possible experience" side, whereas the rest of us are thinking "So, what? Mythic doesn't necessarily mean all skulls? You practically fed us the 'All Skulls' requirement so now we're expected to change?".

You see what I mean? It's this sudden attitude swap that's confusing everyone, and will continue to do so for any newcomers to the Mythic scene.

[Edited on 10.21.2011 6:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2011 6:27 AM PDT


Posted by: AuraSoldier313
Posted by: Sangheilioz
I'd like to point out that I'm going to play it both ways (LASO and detrimental-skulls-only). My point is that I view the latter version to be more in-tune with the Mythic ideal.

I think it's important to note that with Halo 3, ODST and Reach, practically all the skulls were detrimental and made things harder, and with Halo 2 and CEA we actually have some skulls that help the player (Envy and Bandana respectively). What I think Tyrant and yourself never really made clear back in the old days was that Mythic didn't need to have 'player friendly' skulls active, in fact you guys never mentioned it once. So now come CEA when you're suggesting a harder experience with less of the 'player friendly' skulls, really it's just taking away from the definition people like myself and Eli stood by which was Mythic = all skulls.

That right there is the reason our little community is starting to see some segregation; originally everyone's view of Mythic was just all skulls, now Tyrant/yourself/etc have jumped to the "Oh but we've always been about the toughest possible experience" side, whereas the rest of us are thinking "So, what? Mythic doesn't necessarily mean all skulls? You practically fed us the 'All Skulls' requirement so now we're expected to change?".

You see what I mean? It's this sudden attitude swap that's confusing everyone, and will continue to do so for any newcomers to the Mythic scene.


First, I want to say that I don't speak for Tyrant, and until Reach I wasn't really very active in this community other than doing my Mythic runs myself. It's only recently that Tyrant and I have really worked together for this community with the quad-mythic runs and representing Mythic at PAX, and even more recently that I decided to take it on myself to create a home for us with mythicnation.com. I don't view myself as a community leader, I view myself as a community server.

Secondly, it is my opinion that Mythic was intended to be the most challenging settings, which for the past three Halo games WAS all skulls on, because there WERE no advantageous skulls. So, of course we kept saying "all skulls on" over and over; it applied. Of course we didn't say "only skulls that don't give you an advantage," because it was unnecessary since there weren't any skulls that gave you an advantage.

However, in the past we HAVE ADDED rules to maintain maximum challenge, such as the zero-death rule for co-op, and shunning save/quit to circumvent Iron. This, to me, seems to indicate that our attitude and view of Mythic has ALWAYS been that it should be the most difficult challenge.

Essentially, I feel like the definition of skulls is different for Halo 2 and Halo: CEA than it is for the other games. Rather than being "optional cosmetic modifiers / difficulty enhancers" they seem to now just be "optional game modifiers" and because of this we need to revisit our own definition which relied on the previous definition of skulls.

Remember, this is all my opinion. I cannot speak for Tyrant, or for the community at large, but from my analysis this is the conclusion I've drawn.

  • 10.21.2011 6:48 AM PDT

Twenty-ninth Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror
Eleventh Halo 3: ODST Mythic Conqueror
Fifth Halo: Reach Mythic Conqueror

The problem with the "no buff skulls=Mythic" theory is that there are no objective standards to what's buff and what's not. Is Grunt Birthday Party a buff or detrimental? It lets you confirm grunt kills, but it sets off nearby grenades. What about Cowbell? Many grenade jumps wouldn't be possible without it. Tilt makes shielded enemies weaker to plasma and unshielded enemies weaker to bullets--could this be beneficial?

All the more reason to sit out and watch other people play. Plus, I won't be buying it until I find it in a bargain bin at my grocery store.

  • 10.21.2011 9:45 AM PDT

Mythic.

  • 10.21.2011 9:46 AM PDT

I define a "buff" skull as any skull that gives a distinct advantage to the player with no significant disadvantage. Obvious ones would be Bandana and Envy. Regarding the others you mentioned;

Grunt Birthday Party I would say is neither. It lets you confirm you got a headshot, sure, and supposedly it can set off grenades (I've never seen this happen, but I'll take your word for it). Well, that's less grenades for you, AND you could have set them off anyway by shooting them directly. I'd like to see evidence of this grenade effect though, I've never seen it before and have thus always treated it as purely cosmetic.

Cowbell is both advantage and disadvantage. Those same effects that you can use to get greater height in jumps also throw you around more when faced by a concussion rifler, or make your vehicle easier to upturn/stop from grenades/fuel rods/concussion rifles. You can manipulate it to your advantage, but it's also very much detrimental, so I would classify it as a "debuff."

Tilt in Reach does not make shields more susceptible to plasma weaponry, nor health more susceptible to ballistics. Even in the games where it does, it still has the effect that you basically HAVE to use plasma weaponry on shields, meaning you can't feasibly just run through with an AR and a pistol but have to actually plan out your weapon combination.

Adapting strategies and tactics to take advantage of some of these effects, such as for concussion rifle jumps, does not make the effect a "buff," it is just a product of our adaptation to the game settings.

  • 10.21.2011 6:51 PM PDT

Halo Reach 2/3rds of the way mythic conqueror (6/9)

12 skull run minus famine and cloud. If I had those skulls on it would have been LNoS on Mythic completed. One death and that was on the duel wielded in the 4 elite of the apocqlypse. I had already gotten in the gun killed a few things then got out and fought the rest of the battle on foot.

By the way if a word is totally random having no connotation to the rest of the sentance it's my spell check on my iPod that auto corrects stuff to the wrong word.

  • 10.21.2011 8:52 PM PDT

Halo Reach 2/3rds of the way mythic conqueror (6/9)

Wow its been more than 24 hours since anyone has posted anything here.

  • 10.23.2011 12:21 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant

The community is heavily divided now between here and 343. It's not surprising.

  • 10.23.2011 2:07 PM PDT

Halo Reach 2/3rds of the way mythic conqueror (6/9)

On 343 (wayponit) is there a thread for mythic reach?

I need to improve my grenade jump of PoA in smelting 1 I missed twice then got it.

[Edited on 10.23.2011 6:09 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2011 6:07 PM PDT

Twenty-ninth Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror
Eleventh Halo 3: ODST Mythic Conqueror
Fifth Halo: Reach Mythic Conqueror

Tyrant: as the King of Mythic, you should tell us where the new community should be.

  • 10.23.2011 7:41 PM PDT

Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror #11
ODST Mythic Conqueror #2
Reach Mythic Conqueror #2
Halo: CEA Mythic Conqueror #1
Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

@Michael: Boom.

[Edited on 10.23.2011 8:39 PM PDT]

  • 10.23.2011 8:38 PM PDT

#1 Daily & Weekly Challenges (100%)
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We have ourselves another LASO Weekly Challenge :) This time New Alexandria.

Anyone know of a faster Mythic or LASO-minus-blind record than Dark's 12:01? I'm going to beat that time in the next couple days to post on my channel with the big fat "World Record" label unless someone knows of a faster run. Then I'll beat that.

Not looking forward to being at the mercy of randomness, but can't do much about that on this mission...

  • 10.24.2011 3:21 AM PDT


Posted by: Naked Eli
We have ourselves another LASO Weekly Challenge :) This time New Alexandria.

Anyone know of a faster Mythic or LASO-minus-blind record than Dark's 12:01? I'm going to beat that time in the next couple days to post on my channel with the big fat "World Record" label unless someone knows of a faster run. Then I'll beat that.

Not looking forward to being at the mercy of randomness, but can't do much about that on this mission...



How is 12:01 even possible?
I just completed the laso and speedrunning it to 16 minutes.

  • 10.24.2011 3:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Naked Eli
We have ourselves another LASO Weekly Challenge :) This time New Alexandria.

Anyone know of a faster Mythic or LASO-minus-blind record than Dark's 12:01? I'm going to beat that time in the next couple days to post on my channel with the big fat "World Record" label unless someone knows of a faster run. Then I'll beat that.

Not looking forward to being at the mercy of randomness, but can't do much about that on this mission...



Seeing as I have nothing to do untill tomorrow when the Space Marine DLC comes out.
Race ya. ;)

  • 10.24.2011 3:56 AM PDT

Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror #11
ODST Mythic Conqueror #2
Reach Mythic Conqueror #2
Halo: CEA Mythic Conqueror #1
Halo 4 Mythic Conqueror #1

Posted by: jew man man
Seeing as I have nothing to do untill tomorrow when the Space Marine DLC comes out.
Race ya. ;)

Our brief speedrunning in ODST will definitely allow you to deny Eli this 'World Record' run he aims to achieve, otherwise I will disown you... GOOD LUCK! :D

Also, doesn't RC hold the record for NA Mythic/LASO anyway?

  • 10.24.2011 5:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: jew man man

Posted by: Naked Eli
We have ourselves another LASO Weekly Challenge :) This time New Alexandria.

Anyone know of a faster Mythic or LASO-minus-blind record than Dark's 12:01? I'm going to beat that time in the next couple days to post on my channel with the big fat "World Record" label unless someone knows of a faster run. Then I'll beat that.

Not looking forward to being at the mercy of randomness, but can't do much about that on this mission...



Seeing as I have nothing to do untill tomorrow when the Space Marine DLC comes out.
Race ya. ;)


It's on ;)

Edit: I do believe I'm trying for the "LASO Challenge" record and you are aiming for the "Mythic/LASO" record, no? My run will not have Blind fortunately, so navigating won't be as annoying.

[Edited on 10.24.2011 5:12 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2011 5:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: AuraSoldier313
Posted by: jew man man
Seeing as I have nothing to do untill tomorrow when the Space Marine DLC comes out.
Race ya. ;)

Our brief speedrunning in ODST will definitely allow you to deny Eli this 'World Record' run he aims to achieve, otherwise I will disown you... GOOD LUCK! :D

Also, doesn't RC hold the record for NA Mythic/LASO anyway?


I'll try.
He probably does. If he does, I'd like to know what I'm aiming for.


Posted by: Naked Eli

It's on ;)

Edit: I do believe I'm trying for the "LASO Challenge" record and you are aiming for the "Mythic/LASO" record, no? My run will not have Blind fortunately, so navigating won't be as annoying.


Yeah, I'm going for the Mythic time. But hey, still is a nice little competition, despite the Blind skull difference. Will make for a good story for your YouTube video when you get it up.

  • 10.24.2011 5:21 AM PDT


Posted by: Michael_Archer
Tyrant: as the King of Mythic, you should tell us where the new community should be.


We already have a site to call home, but nobody is adopting it. Probably because we've become so ingrained already in these and 343's forums. Still, it waits for us to use.

  • 10.24.2011 5:33 AM PDT
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"The one who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd. The one who walks alone, is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been."
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"To live is the rarest thing in the word. Most people exist, that is all"
-Oscar Wilde

Steam

Beat New Alexandria, timing it out now. I'm sure you guys will like this one.
It's a much faster improvement over my old one.

Edit: RC, what was your record? ;)

[Edited on 10.24.2011 5:50 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2011 5:42 AM PDT

Halo Reach 2/3rds of the way mythic conqueror (6/9)

I can do mythic as proven by my countless zero death solaces but I can't seem to ever muster the will to try one and succeed I am reconsidering my mythic quest. Maybe a break as reach will be around for another year. Break out borderlands I guess.

  • 10.24.2011 6:58 AM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

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Posted by: Naked Eli
Anyone know of a faster Mythic or LASO-minus-blind record than Dark's 12:01?

9:16.

Sub-13-ish it becomes entirely about luck. In this run I think I lost 30 seconds easily because my Falcon blew to pieces from a plasma grenade that wasn't even near it.

  • 10.24.2011 8:33 AM PDT