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Subject: Official Halo: Reach *Mythic Difficulty* Guide (ALL SKULLS ON!!!)

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant

Posted by: RC MasterLike so.

Got to admit, that was clever :-)

  • 12.15.2010 10:12 AM PDT
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I've beaten Winter Contingency and Nightfall on "Mythic" now, but I don't have Bungie Pro...well whatever, its in my fileshare. -_-;

Speaking of which, how exactly do you avoid sending the wraiths off the cliff in the Tip of the Spear? Lately its been happening by accident...I know it has something to do with those loading zones...but do I destroy the tyrant gun AFTER the wraiths if I don't want to deal with that single elite? (I definitely don't want to deal with that elite!)

  • 12.15.2010 11:24 AM PDT

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I won't be able to work on mythic for the next two weeks, I'll be in Zimbabwe. Leaving at 9:00.

  • 12.15.2010 2:14 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: CWS100
I've beaten Winter Contingency and Nightfall on "Mythic" now, but I don't have Bungie Pro...well whatever, its in my fileshare. -_-;

Speaking of which, how exactly do you avoid sending the wraiths off the cliff in the Tip of the Spear? Lately its been happening by accident...I know it has something to do with those loading zones...but do I destroy the tyrant gun AFTER the wraiths if I don't want to deal with that single elite? (I definitely don't want to deal with that elite!)


Gratz on two missions down! Yea, you need to destroy the Tyrant gun first before doing the trick with the loading zones, but the Elite really isn't that bad as long as you have either a Ghost or a Revenant to back you up :-)

Posted by: Remorazz
I won't be able to work on mythic for the next two weeks, I'll be in Zimbabwe. Leaving at 9:00.


Have fun! Have a safe trip!

[Edited on 12.15.2010 2:29 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 2:29 PM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

I've successfully pulled off the easter egg a few times in a row and am feeling pretty comfortable with it now. After taking care of Vyrant, Buck's Phantom, the Jonto Banshees and Sinoviet, I was working my way around the Concussion Rifle Elite in the Hospital when I guess I started moving too early after activating my camo, because he freaked and blasted me to hell. -blam!- my impatience. Oh well. Nothing to do but give it another go.

Posted by: Tyrant122312
Posted by: RC Master:
Like so.

Got to admit, that was clever :-)

Clever indeed, but Sinoviet's never given me any trouble (except for the time one of the Brute's stuck me).

[Edited on 12.15.2010 3:11 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 3:07 PM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

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Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
Posted by: Tyrant122312
Posted by: RC Master:
Like so.

Got to admit, that was clever :-)

Clever indeed, but Sinoviet's never given me any trouble (except for the time one of the Brute's stuck me).

I know. I don't think I've ever actually died there myself. Only lost health at most. Like I said; its just for the super-cautious.

Plus I was messing around on the level anyway and I thought 'hey I wonder if I could do this'

:)

[Edited on 12.15.2010 5:45 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 5:44 PM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

New Alexandria, conquered. I don't remember if I got Vyrant or Sinoviet first, but the Hospital was last. Buck's Phantom was cake (as usual), and..... I think the side mission was the Holy building evac (first time getting it). It would seem that all the day's runs are blurring together.

Feel free to envy my awesome time, heh. I was ridiculously cautious in the Hospital, especially on the way out. It took forever for the Elites to retreat to the right side of the walkway for me to get past them, and I ended up needing two health packs after assassinating the Concussion Rifle wielder. Oh well, it's done and I'm 7/9. Now.... I really have to study.

EDIT: Exam complete. Now for The Package. In retrospect, I actually enjoyed New Alexandria a lot, and I'm realizing I enjoy Reach's vehicular combat a lot more than Halo 3's, at least in the campaign. Sure, the Scorpion section of The Ark was badass, but that was really the only fun I had in a vehicle in all of Halo 3. Sabre + Falcon = superfunawesomesauce

[Edited on 12.16.2010 11:13 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 6:22 PM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

Staff Writer and speedrun record holder at highspeedhalo.net

Ignorance is the true enemy of all things.

Rocking Bungie.net for over 8 years!


Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
I'm realizing I enjoy Reach's vehicular combat a lot more than Halo 3's, at least in the campaign. [....] Sabre + Falcon = superfunawesomesauce

I really like the Falcon. The Sabre though? Its fun-ish to fly, but I really don't think the combat is fun. To much of just 'hold down the trigger'. You can't utilise any advanced moves yourself as its actually really slow to turn compared to the in-built tricks. The peripheral vision is bad and with a completely spherical area where enemies can be attack you from, it think it was a collosal mistake to not include a motion tracker type thing. Half the time I'm and just spinning around after an engagement wondering where the rest of the enemies are. The enemy AI is also terrible and only do strafing and then run in straight lines away and never attempt to do any tricks. While still being enough of a splashy nuisance to get you to switch targets every few seconds sometimes.

Yes, the Banshees on NA aren't exactly great enemies, but at least you can use skill to evade around them so you aren't getting shot at, or can put distance between you and them. Its more much matured than the sabre combat which is essentially just 'throw yourself into the melee.'

Plus your allies in the Sabre section are more liable to hit YOU than any of the enemies. 'Oh no! You're not allowed to chase the seraph that close! back off noble!' *shoots*

[Edited on 12.16.2010 12:57 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 12:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: RC Master
Plus your allies in the Sabre section are more liable to hit YOU than any of the enemies. 'Oh no! You're not allowed to chase the seraph that close! back off noble!' *shoots*


You can tell straight away your allies aren't the most competent Sabre pilots as soon as one of them calls out something along the lines of: "I need help with this Banshee!" :P

[Edited on 12.16.2010 3:49 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 3:45 PM PDT

Posted by: RC Master

I really like the Falcon. The Sabre though? Its fun-ish to fly, but I really don't think the combat is fun.


Odd. I can't stand the Falcon. Every other time I'm trying to aim at something the chopper itself is blocking my goddamn view. I hate that.

  • 12.16.2010 4:48 PM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

Stop spoiling my fun! THE SABRE WAS, STILL IS, AND ALWAYS WILL BE AWESOME!

On a more reasonable note, I never had problems with friendly fire, and I saw my friendlies take down at least one or two enemies per wave. Sure, they're not as efficient as the player, or even the rest of Noble, but they're not supposed to be, canon-wise and game-wise (other than the Arbiter and the rest of Noble, NPC friendlies have never been much help on Legendary, let alone Mythic).

I fail to see how the Falcon has any more advanced moves than the Sabre, and do you not do a lot of holding down the trigger when flying both? The Falcon's slower (obviously) and less agile. I rarely made use of the Sabre's special moves, usually opting for boosting and swerving my way to cover, of which there is plenty in the first Sabre battle (less so during the attack on the corvette, but there aren't as many enemies there and I rarely got attacked while underneath the corvette). In terms of evasive maneuverability, I think the Sabre wins easily, it just might not feel that way due to the better accuracy of the Seraphs and Banshees in Long Night of Solace compared to that of the Banshees in New Alexandria. All the Falcon can do is slowly climb or descend. If anything, I think the Banshees in New Alexandria are underpowered in terms of their maneuverability. The fact that a Falcon can outmaneuver them is kinda pathetic (that's not to say I hardly enjoyed the Falcon, because I did have a lot of fun with it). But considering just how many Banshees there are in New Alexandria, making them even a little more agile could've made that mission a lot more difficult.

While a motion tracker could make things easier in the Sabre, I feel it's wholly unnecessary and would make the mission less fun (for me, at least). Knowing the layout of the battle space is all that I think is necessary to stay on top of the Sabre battles (and there is plenty of time to do that before the first wave of enemies arrives). I was never annoyed with the field of vision. It felt more than adequate, and if you felt it wasn't, I'd attribute that to the design of the craft. They fly (and look) like atmospheric jets (save the nifty special moves), which have less than desirable fields of vision (hence the need for a backseater a la Top Gun). Something that may have prevented Bungie from including a motion tracker for the Sabre battles is the complexity of the playable space. There are so many enemies, the space is huge, and even with the addition of the height indicator, I'm not sure how useful it would be.

Also, I'm not sure how you dealt with the Sabre battles, but when I just "threw myself into the melee," I got shot up really quickly. Staying close to cover with the occasional venture out to finish a kill was what consistently worked for me.

....Wow, I really went off there. Sorry for the wall of text. I originally came here to post about my progress. I beat The Package on just my second attempt, putting me at 8/9. I love me some Wraith-jacking. I'm not sure if I'll start The Pillar of Autumn tonight or not. There's a party I could go to, but.... I dunno. We'll see.

[Edited on 12.16.2010 4:59 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 4:56 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant

Legendary New Alexandria is out. There's a twist this week (plus better video & audio quality), so if you're interested, hop on over to the MythicTyrant channel :-)

  • 12.16.2010 5:05 PM PDT
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Well I decided to wing it, and I beat tip of the spear on mythic as well!

Thats 3 down!

Winter Contingency
Nightfall
Tip of the Spear

Its in my file share now too. ^_^

And while I'm here, which is the next easiest level to do mythic on? Though just merely winging it has worked out for me assuming I knew what to do already. (Thats the biggest thing)

I did a TEST run of mythic winter contingency, the test run being every skull EXCEPT iron, and ended up beating it without dying, I then re-did it with the iron skull with no problems, ain't life funny? ^_^;

  • 12.16.2010 8:12 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: CWS100
I did a TEST run of mythic winter contingency, the test run being every skull EXCEPT iron, and ended up beating it without dying, I then re-did it with the iron skull with no problems, ain't life funny? ^_^;


Same thing happened to me for Tsavo Highway in Halo 3 :-P

ONI Sword Base is pretty easy once you get past the first battle.

  • 12.16.2010 8:20 PM PDT

So I did some messing around in a Firefight gametype to toy around with an idea I've had. The general idea of my "Hunter Punter" thing in PoA I put in to a gametype, more or less. Tons of Hunters and using the Hologram to get them to start hitting each other. Funny enough, if I find a good spot in Courtyard, I can keep dropping Holograms down and 4 to 5 Hunters will all start trying to melee it. It's like a mosh pit and orange blood goes everywhere.

But eventually I noticed I could kill them pretty easily, but that was under all skulls (save Blind) and Heroic. So I switched it to Legendary and tried the same approach to fighting a Hunter (keep in mind that on Firefight if its all Hunters, you're facing six of them Wave 1...so I basically am forced to plan my attack very carefully). Turns out...Hunters aren't as hard to kill as we thought. The Spiker loop doesn't work anymore, but if you use a Shotgun at point blank and unload six shots in to the back of a Hunter with full health, it dies. It takes less if their back is blown off (and makes it easier to get the maximum amount of the shotgun spray hitting them). You just need to make sure to dodge every counter-attack. Sometimes the shot to the back will make them flinch and you'll be able to fire a second shot before they counter.

  • 12.17.2010 6:05 AM PDT
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"The one who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd. The one who walks alone, is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been."
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Posted by: MATCLAN
Posted by: jew man man
Guys, I have a theory. What if Bungie did award the person who was first in the world to complete Mythic, it just wasn't Legendary Smile, something possibly worth looking into.


I doubt it. I'm sure Bungie would have mentioned it or Tyrant would know if that was the case.


I don't think they would tell him. We never found out who was the other person who had completed Mythic back when the Weekly Update announced two people had finished it (One being Pahat).
Although at that point it was still deemed "SLASO" so the person may have completed it with save + quits.
Also I'm fairly sure at one point Urk said there were 20 conquerors on Halo 3 when we only had 16 recorded. So they're able to access stats we are not.
Hence why I think they should give us an official list of the conquerors in order. Because I don't think the lists we have are accurate. I mean, Bungie.net, Halocharts, HIH and other online communities are only a small number of the actual amount of players. So I do believe there are people out there that aren't credited for what they've done.
I remember during Halo 3, I found a guy who had 4 Mythic missions on his fileshare, but I'd never seen or heard anything from him on the Forums.
It would be nice to actually recieve an official list from Bungie, although they probably wont do it.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 9:08 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 9:07 AM PDT

Twenty-ninth Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror
Eleventh Halo 3: ODST Mythic Conqueror
Fifth Halo: Reach Mythic Conqueror

No mention of my speedrun/kamikaze strategy for the final part in Exodus in the new guide? I rendered it and everything!

EDIT: Your intro to the New Alexandria Legendary guide: What the -blam!-ity -blam!- -blam!-?

/incredulity

Double Edit: Magnum "clips?" Don't you mean, magnum "magazines?" They're not the same thing...

[Edited on 12.17.2010 10:51 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 10:09 AM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

Posted by: Michael_Archer
Double Edit: Magnum "clips?" Don't you mean, magnum "magazines?" They're not the same thing...

Splitting hairs, really. Not many people know the difference, and even those that do know what is meant.

I watched.... someone's PoA video last night. I think it was Mike's, but I'm not sure. I did Rally Point Bravo on Easy to practice the mass driver, and I think I've got it down (it's easy when there's no pressure). I'll probly start some Mythic runs later today.

  • 12.17.2010 11:35 AM PDT

Twenty-ninth Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror
Eleventh Halo 3: ODST Mythic Conqueror
Fifth Halo: Reach Mythic Conqueror


Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
I watched.... someone's PoA video last night. I think it was Mike's, but I'm not sure. I did Rally Point Bravo on Easy to practice the mass driver, and I think I've got it down (it's easy when there's no pressure). I'll probly start some Mythic runs later today.


Remember: you need TWO volleys to take down the cruiser. Good luck!

Splitting hairs, really. Not many people know the difference, and even those that do know what is meant.

Saying "clip" when you mean "magazine" is like saying "sock" when you mean "boot". The only similarity between the two are that they both go on your foot. It's not splitting hairs at all. It would be splitting hairs if someone got mad at someone saying "less" when they mean "fewer".

And yes, I do know that Tyrant means "magazine"; it just sounds really awkward.

  • 12.17.2010 12:57 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant

Relax, folks.

Michael, sorry I couldn't sneak the alternate Exodus ending in there. In short, we ran out of time. Writing a 5,000+ word guide each week in addition to the narrations, play time, and churning out the Legendary chapters on YouTube on top of what I normally do can become a bit pressing at times. Fortunately, I'm taking a two week holiday which will give me some catch up time. I did want to include it, but sadly I didn't have the time to test it for myself and author a description for it. Apologies, my friend. Perhaps we will add it down the road once time is no longer an issue in getting these released.

PS - Awhile back when I was doing the Legendary guide for Exodus, I did attempt your method so I could reference it later (on Legendary NOT Mythic) but could never get it to work properly. The first Wraith always managed to pancake me in one way or another. So finally, I went back to my old way of using the Wraith (General K is my witness here).

[Edited on 12.17.2010 3:02 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 2:59 PM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

I like the sock/boot analogy, and I know that a clip and a magazine are separate things, but they're used together, which is probably why many people don't understand the distinction between the two. My point is simply that since anyone who's heard either of the words "clip" or "magazine" before will understand what Tyrant meant, so it's not worth wasting time editing at this point. I did hear what you're talking about (in the video) and I cringed a bit myself, but I don't think it's a big deal.

So Tyrant, who's the blonde?

Well, I'm loading up Pillar of Autumn right now. It'd be sweet if I managed to beat it tonight. That'd be 3 missions in 3 days, but I'm sure after several failures I'll laugh at my wishful thinking.

[Edited on 12.17.2010 4:22 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 4:21 PM PDT

Halo 3 (31st), ODST (14th) and Reach (4th) Mythic Conqueror. (Mythic is Solo, Legendary, All skulls on + scoring on and no deaths/saves).

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Ignorance is the true enemy of all things.

Rocking Bungie.net for over 8 years!

Posted by: jew man man
Although at that point it was still deemed "SLASO" so the person may have completed it with save + quits.

If Bungie were just pulling the stats of those then I'd guess that most of the 'extra' people are people who have managed to save and quit their way through rather than do it in one sitting.

If that were the case, I would have been considered to have gotten through mythic much faster than I did!


[Edited on 12.17.2010 6:43 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 6:35 PM PDT

Twenty-ninth Halo 3 Mythic Conqueror
Eleventh Halo 3: ODST Mythic Conqueror
Fifth Halo: Reach Mythic Conqueror


Posted by: Tyrant122312
Michael, sorry I couldn't sneak the alternate Exodus ending in there. In short, we ran out of time. Writing a 5,000+ word guide each week in addition to the narrations, play time, and churning out the Legendary chapters on YouTube on top of what I normally do can become a bit pressing at times. Fortunately, I'm taking a two week holiday which will give me some catch up time. I did want to include it, but sadly I didn't have the time to test it for myself and author a description for it. Apologies, my friend. Perhaps we will add it down the road once time is no longer an issue in getting these released


That's ok; we all know how much time limits suck. I didn't realize time was a factor for your guides.

But you have a time limit for what is essentially community service? That's strange; unless, of course, you actually get paid for this, in which case, BEST JOB EVAR.


Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
So Tyrant, who's the blonde?


Paraphrase of:
Your intro to the New Alexandria Legendary guide: What the -blam!-ity -blam!- -blam!-?

[Edited on 12.17.2010 10:20 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 10:19 PM PDT

No black and white in the blue.

Posted by: Michael_Archer
Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
So Tyrant, who's the blonde?

Paraphrase of:
Your intro to the New Alexandria Legendary guide: What the -blam!-ity -blam!- -blam!-?

Haha, yeah, I guess it is. I'd completely forgotten that you'd said that.

Dish, Tyrant.

What I figured would end up being wishful thinking was indeed wishful thinking. I just spent a while playing from Rally Point Alpha to figure out what the hell to do about the 3 Elites in the mining facility prior to the Hunters. I'd gotten to that point in an earlier Mythic run and died since I'd forgotten what Mike did in his video. A lengthy standoff ended with me getting chased down by the dual wielder below the main floor. After getting my fill of practice with them and skipping the Hunters for the first time, a peculiar thing happened. None of the enemies in the room just past the Hunters spawned. I assume the dual wielder and his 3 Grunt buddies would've still come out of the upstairs door, but since I wanted to practice the Hunter skip again, I saved and quit before going upstairs (forgot to turn off Iron.... dumbass). Has anyone else seen this before?

I was going to quit after getting to the landing pad, but I figured I'd give it a go at least until I died. I didn't die until I'd emptied the DMR crate and needed to kill a Jackal or a Brute Captain to trigger the 2nd Chieftain wave (that's the last one right?). I figured that was enough practice since having the Needle Rifle on an actual Mythic run would only make things easier (didn't have one since I started at Alpha).

[Edited on 12.17.2010 11:05 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 10:55 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: Michael_Archer

Posted by: Tyrant122312
Michael, sorry I couldn't sneak the alternate Exodus ending in there. In short, we ran out of time. Writing a 5,000+ word guide each week in addition to the narrations, play time, and churning out the Legendary chapters on YouTube on top of what I normally do can become a bit pressing at times. Fortunately, I'm taking a two week holiday which will give me some catch up time. I did want to include it, but sadly I didn't have the time to test it for myself and author a description for it. Apologies, my friend. Perhaps we will add it down the road once time is no longer an issue in getting these released


That's ok; we all know how much time limits suck. I didn't realize time was a factor for your guides.

But you have a time limit for what is essentially community service? That's strange; unless, of course, you actually get paid for this, in which case, BEST JOB EVAR.


While the times aren't what most people would call "set in stone", as a dependability factor we try to role them out the same date/time every week. We time stamped Friday for two reasons. First, it's the start of the weekend and it gives people a few free days to give the challenge a try. Second, when Bungie posts it on the front page, it stays there for a few days ensuring that it's seen. Keep in mind that those front page articles is what encourages a number of people to try. Since this will be my last Mythic guide, we want to pull people in so they'll take advantage of what we're giving them.

What sucks right now is we had NO idea that Bungie would be taking off for the holidays this early. Usually they take two weeks at the end of the year, but this time around, they jumped the gun two BWUs early, meaning not just one, but four chapters (two Mythic and two Legendary) will go virtually unnoticed by a large portion of the community. And particularly when you're spending 20-30 hours a week per chapter, it tends to hit hard. Personally, I would have rather had the heads up and picked up where we left off after the holidays. That would have alotted more time to do things such as alternate methods for missions and such. But oh well. It is what it is, I suppose.

As I said before, though, don't count yourself out yet. We can always go back and add it in later, and I intend to do so if I can get it to work correctly during one of my own runs. I never incorporate a method into the guides without succeeding with it myself first. Your method may not get as much attention as it would had it been included upon initial release, but then again, welcome to my world...


Posted by: Hubb Lebowski
So Tyrant, who's the blonde?


Paraphrase of:
Your intro to the New Alexandria Legendary guide: What the -blam!-ity -blam!- -blam!-?


The Mythic Model. Yeah, I know that's the Legendary Guide, but she was hired on to star in a few shoots we have planned for Mythic down the road.

*HINT: Expect an appearance from me before the Mythic guide is done.*

[Edited on 12.17.2010 11:07 PM PST]

  • 12.17.2010 11:07 PM PDT