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Subject: Official Halo: Reach *Mythic Difficulty* Guide (ALL SKULLS ON!!!)

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: jew man man
Posted by: Tyrant122312

Plus it takes far less time, which means if things go south, I didn't waste as much of it. For me, this is an important factor in Mythic since much of the frustration from death comes from the amount of time I've already invested in the mission. The shorter I can make it, the better.



True that!
Spending 2 hours 40 minutes to die to the last Elite on LNoS isn't an experience I'd want anyone else to share. I really should've practised the entire hanger before trying to tackle it in a real run. I can thank Legendary Smile for the messages to help me through it though, it probably would've been longer if not for him.


That's one thing both PoA and LNoS have in common... they both have "Four Elites of the Apocalypse" at the end of the mission. If I can find a way around that nightmare, particularly since both missions are very long and challenging as is, then I certainly want to find a way to do that. Thanks, Mole, for finding the Long Night glitch :-)

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Posted by: Tyrant122312
Thanks, Mole, for finding the Long Night glitch :-)


MoleN found that Pelican trick? I swear Muzza linked it here pretty early on. Must've been around the same time I reckon. I didn't follow much after then, as I'd beaten the Campaign and I took a long break from this thread and campaign altogether.
Still good to see new methods and conquerors coming at a steady pace.
We still have around eight more people to finish Mythic in our community. I'm basing that number on the people who've beaten Halo 3 and are still with us. I'm hoping there will be more to take on the challenge for Reach only though. Hopefully we have around 20-25 by July 2011.

  • 12.29.2010 9:47 AM PDT

Ok, Hat's off to you friend. I've been watching along as you complete. Very, Very nice job. Please, don't hesitate to put a Lonewolf mission up. Not a hide and wait, but a "take'em for all they got/strategery (<---lol word) run. That would be awesome. Thank you for the long hours, the study, the forum topic, and the videos. It has been very enjoyable to watch.

  • 12.29.2010 2:43 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: jew man man
Posted by: Tyrant122312
Thanks, Mole, for finding the Long Night glitch :-)


MoleN found that Pelican trick? I swear Muzza linked it here pretty early on. Must've been around the same time I reckon. I didn't follow much after then, as I'd beaten the Campaign and I took a long break from this thread and campaign altogether.
Still good to see new methods and conquerors coming at a steady pace.


Haha, yea MoleN actually showed me this trick before Muzza posted but didn't have a chance to post first. CBTrigg backs him up on it, so I believe them.

We still have around eight more people to finish Mythic in our community. I'm basing that number on the people who've beaten Halo 3 and are still with us. I'm hoping there will be more to take on the challenge for Reach only though. Hopefully we have around 20-25 by July 2011.

I certainly hope so. That's why I released the guide early this time. I wanted to catch the fans while the hype for the game is still relatively high.


Posted by: x0 fUllTiMe
Ok, Hat's off to you friend. I've been watching along as you complete. Very, Very nice job. Please, don't hesitate to put a Lonewolf mission up. Not a hide and wait, but a "take'em for all they got/strategery (<---lol word) run. That would be awesome. Thank you for the long hours, the study, the forum topic, and the videos. It has been very enjoyable to watch.


Thanks :-)

I have special plans for Lone Wolf. Hope you guys enjoy the final product :-)

  • 12.29.2010 2:53 PM PDT

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You push it a year forward? Boy are you lazy!

January 2011, not December :P


Posted by: Viper187316
Did you guys do this for Halo 2? I bet it'd be a pain just getting to all the skulls to enable them first the way that was setup.

Since it was on the Xbox, you could create different profiles for each skull and have within it, a saved checkpoint close to where the skull was.

Trying to complete that game with all the skulls on would be ridiculously hard. As MC you would get 5 seconds of camo, but then ALL of the enemies would have permanent camo themselves! Would be difficult to find the enemies let alone kill them!


Posted by: Tyrant122312
Is there a particular reason why firsties are so important to you?

I must not be communicating myself very well...

I don't care about credit, I don't care that it was me that did it before, only that; it has been done and described before. That was the only thing I was trying to get across.

I guess the phase "OBGJFIOYO" applies here.

Its also slightly frustrating when, I make the effort to tell you guys about things, in this thread, and some of it is ignored or forgotten about :(

personally, I found it to be far more stressful to try and hit the constantly dodging dual wielding Zealots then to "crouch awkwardly behind the stairs" and wait for the Cruiser to move into position.
Hmm. Well, I had the exact opposite reaction as you can see.

Plus it takes far less time, which means if things go south, I didn't waste as much of it. For me, this is an important factor in Mythic since much of the frustration from death comes from the amount of time I've already invested in the mission. The shorter I can make it, the better.
In general I would agree with this sentiment too. But I think that as you get closer to the end of the level, the desire for things to go fast vs. be as safe as possible swings towards 'be as safe as possible' for me. No one wants to die to the FRG Chieftain at the end of Exodus (right Dark? :P)

If you screw up rushing past the Wraith with the Mongoose on PoA thats, what, 4 minutes? If you mess up your positioning and lose your shields to the Zealots and then die in the mass driver, thats an hour you've lost.

I want the guide to be as good as possible too, and I sure don't want to see people crying that they died in the mass driver!

What are you gonna say in the guide? Do you believe the average mythicer would rather leave the zealots? (bearing in mind that anyone who gets up to PoA must be pretty awesome anyway) Do you want a clip demonstrating successfully PPing the Zealots from the staircase as an alternate strategy?

That aside, gratz on the GF thing. The last GF I had thought Halo was a Beyonce song...
Pfft, everyone knows its a SOiL song :P


I was trying Lone Wolf last week and its SOO hard to stay alive for very long. I'm thinking that using boxes to barricade some place would be the best strategy.

--
Some other things I forgot to wrap up before:

Rockets on New Alexandria: I was only mentioning them as a 'might as well' kinda thing against the Rangers. Even if you miss a few (or all :P) you still have the PPs and Rifles to fall back on. And if you're gonna be going to SinoViet before the hospital for the camo anyway. Just a thought.

The Smelting room rafter skip thing: earlier you mentioned using sprint here but then rather sneakily just dropped down behind the pillar with the drop shield instead in your run. What I found was jumping on the left railing of that platform that wraps the pillar and then sprint-jumping to the hanging metal vat, then dropping down on the other side of it. Is this what you were originally doing, or just using the same route as with the dropshield and using the sprint to make it quicker?

Oh yeah; with the Hunters successfully de-spawned, you can safely and assuredly jump through the window so as initially skip the spawn for the enemies in the second smelting room. You can then go up to the exit door and push some barrels (I think? Possibly its boxes...) in front of the door so as to trap the Ultra Elite and the Grunts in there. Then you'll be able to PP him from a great distance quite easily. Want a clip?

[Edited on 12.30.2010 7:12 AM PST]

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Posted by: RC Master
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You push it a year forward? Boy are you lazy!

January 2011, not December :P
Don't ruin my joke by thinking that I'm serious. :P

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Posted by: RC Master
No one wants to die to the FRG Chieftain at the end of Exodus (right Dark? :P)


That's nothing. Dying to the last elite on LNoS is worse. I'd rather lose 45 minutes (Exodus) to 2 hours 40 minutes (LNoS).

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Posted by: jew man man

Posted by: RC Master
No one wants to die to the FRG Chieftain at the end of Exodus (right Dark? :P)


That's nothing. Dying to the last elite on LNoS is worse. I'd rather lose 45 minutes (Exodus) to 2 hours 40 minutes (LNoS).
That's because you were so stupid that you didn't think about using the Pelican...

  • 12.30.2010 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gazas
You push it a year forward? Boy are you lazy!

January 2011, not December :P
Don't ruin my joke by thinking that I'm serious. :P

I ruined your joke by acting like I thought you were being serious. :)

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I'm back, and ready to take on LNoS


Lots of fizzy soft drinks really helps ease the pain and they taste one hundred times better once you've beaten the level. After I beat LNOS, it was about 9:30 p.m. i.e I'm usually in for the night. I didn't care this time; I walked to the convenience store to get a half-litre of my favorite soft drink.

It was the best thing I had ever tasted.

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I'm back, and ready to take on LNoS


Lots of fizzy soft drinks really helps ease the pain and they taste one hundred times better once you've beaten the level. After I beat LNOS, it was about 9:30 p.m. i.e I'm usually in for the night. I didn't care this time; I walked to the convenience store to get a half-litre of my favorite soft drink.

It was the best thing I had ever tasted.
Better use a straw then.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

I think I'm going to try Mythic, my new Armor has made me feel badass enough to take it on.

  • 12.30.2010 7:05 PM PDT

Eh... Guys, if the grenade launcher falcon in ToTS lost its pilot and I happen to be on the turret, what should I do??? I cant get out or do anything except shooting.

[Edited on 12.30.2010 10:49 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2010 10:49 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: RC Master
I must not be communicating myself very well...

I don't care about credit, I don't care that it was me that did it before, only that; it has been done and described before. That was the only thing I was trying to get across.

I guess the phase "OBGJFIOYO" applies here.

Its also slightly frustrating when, I make the effort to tell you guys about things, in this thread, and some of it is ignored or forgotten about :([/quote]

In a way, this is what frustrates me about the Legendary Ending thread. It's gotten so massive that they keep recycling the same crap over and over again. We don't have that problem specifically, but because the thread is so large, admittedly it becomes difficult to keep track of every post and/or "discovery" made in the game. The only way I can see this issue resolved is to eventually move the entire Mythic discussion to the group, in which case individual threads can be created and better seen. The draw back, of course, is that we'd be removing ourselves largely from public support for people who have yet to join, but still have questions.

personally, I found it to be far more stressful to try and hit the constantly dodging dual wielding Zealots then to "crouch awkwardly behind the stairs" and wait for the Cruiser to move into position.
Hmm. Well, I had the exact opposite reaction as you can see.


To each their own, I suppose. You'll notice that in my guides I typically include the phrase "I may not always choose the best, or fastest routes, etc.", and that's because I go with the routes that work for me and only me. What differs with both ODST and Reach alike compared to Halo 3, is that people are now doing this before me, so I have a chance to see alternate methods before the guide is written. This keeps me from having to do a 2.0 update down the road. However, my standards for implementing tactics and methods into the guides themselves hasn't changed.

A great example would be Dark's river-sniper skip in Sierra 117. I tried his method several times and made it through alive maybe twice out of the two dozen efforts. Now, clearly the method works for some, as it did with Dark, but because I couldn't personally vouch for it, I kept it out of the guide. The same goes for Michael's no-vehicle ending on Exodus. I wasn't able to get it to work correctly in the time allotted, so I didn't include it.

Since it is my guide, I only include methods that I find work best for me. This is a large reason why I include your gamertags in the OP. It isn't just a symbol or a reward, but also if other come along and want to see how some of you fine folks made it through and what tactics you used, they now have an easy way to see it. In other words, they can start with mine via HBO, but if those methods don't work, there are several other conquerors on that list that may have a different option for them.

Roughly 20-30 hours a week already goes into these guides, and unfortunately, I don't always have time to take every single detail and avenue into consideration. This is also why if people have methods to suggest, I request that they place it in a clip and render it for easy access. I don't always have time to download a film and spend 40 minutes getting through footage before I reach the relative 10 seconds. But again, this is why we have both the community and the films made by other conquerors to fill this void.

This isn't to say that thoughts and suggestions aren't appreciated. Believe it or not, like Bungie, I listen to them all and take them to heart, but you won't always know it.

To put it simply (TL:DR), I do the best I can with what I believe to be right with the time that I have.

Plus it takes far less time, which means if things go south, I didn't waste as much of it. For me, this is an important factor in Mythic since much of the frustration from death comes from the amount of time I've already invested in the mission. The shorter I can make it, the better.
In general I would agree with this sentiment too. But I think that as you get closer to the end of the level, the desire for things to go fast vs. be as safe as possible swings towards 'be as safe as possible' for me. No one wants to die to the FRG Chieftain at the end of Exodus (right Dark? :P)

If you screw up rushing past the Wraith with the Mongoose on PoA thats, what, 4 minutes? If you mess up your positioning and lose your shields to the Zealots and then die in the mass driver, thats an hour you've lost.


This reminds me of the Pelican glitch for Long Night. This method is a bit of a coin toss since it can be destroyed , and in the process of trying to get to it, you'll find yourself vulnerable and out in the open. I have personally found this to be less of an issue on Mythic (perhaps the Mythic skull increases its durability?). In other words, its a slight risk at the end of a very difficult mission.

Back to PoA. I found myself personally having more trouble dealing with the Zealots than just simply hiding. My logic behind my approach was that if I ran out of PP ammo before the Field Marshall was down, I was screwed anyway. I suppose an alternate method for dealing with that would be to kill the Field Marshall first, then go back and deal with the others. If you can't get 'em before you run out of ammo, skip them and go straight for the Mass Driver, which can be suggested in the guide as well. But again, for me personally, I felt the method you saw was fairly controlled and little risk given. The worst part is getting up that first flight of stairs to jump on the mecha-arm to reach the Field Marshall, and since my logic says the field Marshall needs to be killed first either way, then no matter which method you use, you still need to do that. If you don't, then running out of PP ammo becomes an issue with the dodging Elites. I had issues with that, though I find it great that you didn't and neither did Sanghelioz.

And I love my Wraith skip :-) 80% of the time I make it without any issues. 5% of the time, the Wraith either gets off a lucky shot, or one of the other guys just happens to be close enough to step into the secondary gunner seat. 5% of the time I flip the Mongoose and can't recover fast enough before getting pwned by something. The remaining 10% is a direct result of the Grunts and Jackals beyond the Wraith which doesn't involve the Wraith. All in all, I like my skip :-)

I want the guide to be as good as possible too, and I sure don't want to see people crying that they died in the mass driver!

For me, dying at the Zealots would be almost as bad. Again, it goes back to Long Night. What happens when you reach the end and the Pelican gun is gone? The Mythic guide doesn't really cover it.

What are you gonna say in the guide? Do you believe the average mythicer would rather leave the zealots? (bearing in mind that anyone who gets up to PoA must be pretty awesome anyway) Do you want a clip demonstrating successfully PPing the Zealots from the staircase as an alternate strategy?

I've seen it done, and I'm not saying it can't be. But referencing what I was saying earlier, I go with what works best with me. Yes, I believe your average Mythic challenger would prefer to skip the Zealots if possible. I know I would, particularly since I know they can't really hit you once you're in the Mass Driver, and any time before that you can easily pick up a health pack. For the record, I have managed to land the two Mass Driver rounds without shields :-)

I was trying Lone Wolf last week and its SOO hard to stay alive for very long. I'm thinking that using boxes to barricade some place would be the best strategy.

I'm wondering if it's possible (or how easy it is) to jack the Wraith and use it against the Covenant in that mission. Even if it can be done, how long can a person hold out? I think this might also be a valid option for racking up points for Mythic Lone Wolf but haven't had much time to test. Could be fun :-)

Rockets on New Alexandria: I was only mentioning them as a 'might as well' kinda thing against the Rangers. Even if you miss a few (or all :P) you still have the PPs and Rifles to fall back on. And if you're gonna be going to SinoViet before the hospital for the camo anyway. Just a thought.

I actually have a rough time keep plasma pistols in the picture do to random weapon despawns. These despawns alone are the main drive towards my selection. The fewer weapons I need to keep up with, the more in control I feel. Since the ones I use in the guide seem to work to my advantage, I tend to stick with them, but I'll certainly mention the rockets for anyone that wants to take them.

  • 12.30.2010 11:55 PM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant

The Smelting room rafter skip thing: earlier you mentioned using sprint here but then rather sneakily just dropped down behind the pillar with the drop shield instead in your run. What I found was jumping on the left railing of that platform that wraps the pillar and then sprint-jumping to the hanging metal vat, then dropping down on the other side of it. Is this what you were originally doing, or just using the same route as with the dropshield and using the sprint to make it quicker?

Exactly the same route, but here's what I discovered. There seems to be some sort of health/shield glitch when performing this skip. I've been in positions where I was repeatedly pounded by enemy fire yet never even cracked my shielding. Once I figured this out, I decided to bring Drop Shield instead since it would be far more useful to me towards the end of the mission than Sprint. I need to look at this more without Blind just to validate exactly when] this glitch occurs and when it stops working.

Oh yeah; with the Hunters successfully de-spawned, you can safely and assuredly jump through the window so as initially skip the spawn for the enemies in the second smelting room. You can then go up to the exit door and push some barrels (I think? Possibly its boxes...) in front of the door so as to trap the Ultra Elite and the Grunts in there. Then you'll be able to PP him from a great distance quite easily. Want a clip?

I'd love one, and thank you.

That sounds like a promising tactic. Usually, I just toss a few grenades up there from the bottom floor and that almost always seems to cause the Elite to drop down to the bottom level and get stuck. On the main run this didn't work, so I used Plan B; moving up to get Emile to engage him so I could sneak around for an assassination.

I'd enjoy seeing your method too, though, and thank you!

:-)

(Sorry for the double. Went WAY over the character limit with the last post. lol)


Posted by: thedisintergated
Eh... Guys, if the grenade launcher falcon in ToTS lost its pilot and I happen to be on the turret, what should I do??? I cant get out or do anything except shooting.


You need to save your clip and send it to me so I can send it to Roosterteeth and make fails of the week :-)

Never had that happen before, but unless you can somehow pilot the thing yourself, it sounds like you're at a dead end for this run.

[Edited on 12.30.2010 11:58 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2010 11:57 PM PDT

I cant even get out of the turret... You want it? I'll record it later. But I don't have bungie pro... So I cant render it.

  • 12.31.2010 1:09 AM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: thedisintergated
I cant even get out of the turret... You want it? I'll record it later. But I don't have bungie pro... So I cant render it.


Yes plz!

Try again. TotS is one of the easier ones :-)

  • 12.31.2010 1:12 AM PDT

Em... Tyrant, do you want me to include the part where by I sat in the turret for 5mins...?

  • 12.31.2010 1:31 AM PDT

Hello, Community!

Hopefully if you're reading this, it's because you're interesting in kicking your campaign experience up a notch by cranking up the Legendary with all skulls activated :-) Need advice? A guide? Maybe even a friendly community to cheer you on and help guide you through the process? Then give our Mythic thread a read, and Godspeed on your Mythic journey!

Best Regards,
The Tyrant


Posted by: thedisintergated
Em... Tyrant, do you want me to include the part where by I sat in the turret for 5mins...?


Not the entire thing. Just maybe about 15 seconds of it :-)

  • 12.31.2010 1:56 AM PDT

And eh... I got another clip in that same failed run where by an ultra isn't holding weapons and charges me. Haha. I laughed so hard about it.

  • 12.31.2010 1:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Tyrant122312

Posted by: thedisintergated
Em... Tyrant, do you want me to include the part where by I sat in the turret for 5mins...?


Not the entire thing. Just maybe about 15 seconds of it :-)


Okay.

  • 12.31.2010 2:00 AM PDT

If you'r trying to be a "Halo Reach: Mythic Conqueror", you should play Nightfall it's so easy.


[Edited on 12.31.2010 2:03 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2010 2:03 AM PDT

Done, both clips are in my fileshare.

  • 12.31.2010 2:21 AM PDT

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