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Subject: My mom said I can't have Halo.
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What goods an Xbox without Halo!!!

  • 08.12.2004 11:43 AM PDT
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The flood are the only gorey things, I shudder when I see a human combat form with no head, arms, or stomach...

  • 08.12.2004 1:06 PM PDT
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my little brother is 8 and he can play it
my little sister is 6 and she can play it
my little step sis is 5 and she can play it

And the parents/guardians you are living with either don't have a grip on the concept of cause and effect, or don't give a -blam!- about your moral and emotional welfare.

...Also, let her take note that Halo's main character, the Master Chief, stands for nobility, discipline, and existencialism. This may render her speechless...
Ha ha ha ha ha! Sounds like a lot better strategy than telling her that the Master Chief stands for nobility, discipline, and alien @ss-kicking! (ROTFL) Truly, I think that his mom would be rendered speechless if JoZh could use the term "existentialism" in a meaningful way, at all; let alone while simultaneously making it germane to an argument for playing Halo.

(I'm sorry, JoZh. Don't mean to be hard on you. I remember way, Way, WAAAYYY back to when I was 12; and, as I recall, it just plain sucked, even though my spelling didn't. And, no, I didn't know what existentialism meant until I was 16 or so; so learn it now, and you can laugh at me and tell me how I was a late bloomer.)

Hey! I just got an idea. What kind of movies/videos/T.V. does your mom let you watch? Schwartzenegger stuff? The Matrix trilogy? Lord of the Rings trilogy? Starship Troopers? The Godfather series? Rocky series? Rambo series? Alien series? I hope the answer is "No!" for most of these; but, if she does, then you can make an argument that Halo is tame by comparison. For example more "alien" and human blood is spilled in a single scene of the Two Towers than you are likely to see by playing Halo through on all 4 difficulty levels COMBINED! Same is true of The Return of the King; several scenes, in fact. (Careful, though, this could backfire, with you watching Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music until you are 17.)

I think that mEi aSs has an excellent idea. But, given the average (dis)ability of a 12 year old to put together a cogent argument; and, given the total lack of ability of most pre-teens (teens too) to dispassionately present any argument verbally to a parent that is hostile to the request; I strongly suggest that you present your mother with a written analysis of the situation. Furthermore, since you can't spell worth beans (yet), and evidently haven't taken a course in persuasive nor structured writing, I suggest you solicit plenty of help, and use a spell checker. This is a project that might take a few weeks. (Do you have access to Word?)

Unless your mom is basing her position on a strong religious conviction; then I think the a WELL THOUGHT OUT and WELL WRITTEN position paper would BLOW HER AWAY!! (I mean that in a positive way.) Look, your weak suit is writing, and if we all know about it (I've even seen people talking about it in other threads) then your mom certainly knows about it. And worries about it. If you can show her that you have the self-motivation to start a project like this, the creative energy to make a structured argument, the discipline and endurance to complete it, and the english skills to make it look more like a high school senior paper than a 5th grader school paper. All of that makes you look more mature. I think that even if she doesn't say "Yes." immediately, your accomplishment, alone (regardless of the argument in your paper) would definitely start her to re-evaluating your maturity and re-thinking her position.

Look at it this way, JoZh: Let's say your school teacher said, "Class... CLASS... QUIET!!!.... Thank you. Now, class, I am giving you each the option to do an extra credit, 5-page, type-written report on why you should be allow to play Halo. Anyone who gets a 'B+' or better on their report will get a single roll of the dice, and if you roll a '2' or higher you will get a free copy of Halo and permission to play it at least 2 hours a day at home for as long as you want."

Would you do the report? If so, let us know. I would be willing to offer a straw horse outline; and maybe some other could offer ideas on how to improve it.

  • 08.12.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Here's an idea. If you haven't already got halo just wait another...oh three months or so and convince her to buy you Halo 2. A great plan would have been to pre-order the game before the rating came out for it. That way you could be guaranteed a copy and your mother would be none the wiser. Of course it might be too late for that but my overall advice constitutes that you should make less of an effort to obtain halo as it will become almost obselete on November 9th and make a push for the newer and better version of halo 2 which no doubt shall reign supreme in the gaming universe.

  • 08.12.2004 1:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Aholf
Here's an idea. If you haven't already got halo just wait another...oh three months or so and convince her to buy you Halo 2. A great plan would have been to pre-order the game before the rating came out for it. That way you could be guaranteed a copy and your mother would be none the wiser. Of course it might be too late for that but my overall advice constitutes that you should make less of an effort to obtain halo as it will become almost obselete on November 9th and make a push for the newer and better version of halo 2 which no doubt shall reign supreme in the gaming universe.


That's what planning to do.

  • 08.12.2004 8:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
LOL how OLD are YOU?! Like 7?! LOLOLOL thats pretty bad if I do say so myself, Just go buy it without them knowing, go to the gamestore with a freind when your supposedly just hanging out or w/e then buy it and dont tell you parents. If your parents walk in on you playing, just switch the TV from vid 1 or whatever mode you need it on back to regular tv so they think ur just watchin tv.


eisier way, just buy it and tell her you borrowed it, but the other way does work psst Im not allowed on chat zones like this

  • 08.12.2004 10:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: NobleNick
my little brother is 8 and he can play it
my little sister is 6 and she can play it
my little step sis is 5 and she can play it

And the parents/guardians you are living with either don't have a grip on the concept of cause and effect, or don't give a -blam!- about your moral and emotional welfare.

...Also, let her take note that Halo's main character, the Master Chief, stands for nobility, discipline, and existencialism. This may render her speechless...
Ha ha ha ha ha! Sounds like a lot better strategy than telling her that the Master Chief stands for nobility, discipline, and alien @ss-kicking! (ROTFL) Truly, I think that his mom would be rendered speechless if JoZh could use the term "existentialism" in a meaningful way, at all; let alone while simultaneously making it germane to an argument for playing Halo.

(I'm sorry, JoZh. Don't mean to be hard on you. I remember way, Way, WAAAYYY back to when I was 12; and, as I recall, it just plain sucked, even though my spelling didn't. And, no, I didn't know what existentialism meant until I was 16 or so; so learn it now, and you can laugh at me and tell me how I was a late bloomer.)

Hey! I just got an idea. What kind of movies/videos/T.V. does your mom let you watch? Schwartzenegger stuff? The Matrix trilogy? Lord of the Rings trilogy? Starship Troopers? The Godfather series? Rocky series? Rambo series? Alien series? I hope the answer is "No!" for most of these; but, if she does, then you can make an argument that Halo is tame by comparison. For example more "alien" and human blood is spilled in a single scene of the Two Towers than you are likely to see by playing Halo through on all 4 difficulty levels COMBINED! Same is true of The Return of the King; several scenes, in fact. (Careful, though, this could backfire, with you watching Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music until you are 17.)

I think that mEi aSs has an excellent idea. But, given the average (dis)ability of a 12 year old to put together a cogent argument; and, given the total lack of ability of most pre-teens (teens too) to dispassionately present any argument verbally to a parent that is hostile to the request; I strongly suggest that you present your mother with a written analysis of the situation. Furthermore, since you can't spell worth beans (yet), and evidently haven't taken a course in persuasive nor structured writing, I suggest you solicit plenty of help, and use a spell checker. This is a project that might take a few weeks. (Do you have access to Word?)

Unless your mom is basing her position on a strong religious conviction; then I think the a WELL THOUGHT OUT and WELL WRITTEN position paper would BLOW HER AWAY!! (I mean that in a positive way.) Look, your weak suit is writing, and if we all know about it (I've even seen people talking about it in other threads) then your mom certainly knows about it. And worries about it. If you can show her that you have the self-motivation to start a project like this, the creative energy to make a structured argument, the discipline and endurance to complete it, and the english skills to make it look more like a high school senior paper than a 5th grader school paper. All of that makes you look more mature. I think that even if she doesn't say "Yes." immediately, your accomplishment, alone (regardless of the argument in your paper) would definitely start her to re-evaluating your maturity and re-thinking her position.

Look at it this way, JoZh: Let's say your school teacher said, "Class... CLASS... QUIET!!!.... Thank you. Now, class, I am giving you each the option to do an extra credit, 5-page, type-written report on why you should be allow to play Halo. Anyone who gets a 'B+' or better on their report will get a single roll of the dice, and if you roll a '2' or higher you will get a free copy of Halo and permission to play it at least 2 hours a day at home for as long as you want."

Would you do the report? If so, let us know. I would be willing to offer a straw horse outline; and maybe some other could offer ideas on how to improve it.



I've seen all the Lord of the Ring movie, I've seen one Rambo movie, I watch some Arnalod stuff, I've watched all the Matrix movies,I've al so seen Star troopers (but my mom dosen't know that.)

  • 08.13.2004 9:42 AM PDT
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Halo just has blood. Your mom should be thankful you're not getting Soldier of fortune, UT 2K4, Mortal Kombat, The Suffering, GTA:Vice City, etc. Blood isn't entirely gorey. Nobody's going to give a scrape or cut M for Mature, hehe. Halo doesn't have limbs being blown off, exploding heads or even killer turtle shells :)

  • 08.13.2004 10:50 AM PDT
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Yeah i begged my mom to buy me an xbox just to get Halo, she eventually said yes.

[Edited on 8/13/2004 11:47:43 AM]

  • 08.13.2004 11:47 AM PDT
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Any more suggestions or some thing??

  • 08.14.2004 8:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: BeefySleet
LOL how OLD are YOU?! Like 7?! LOLOLOL thats pretty bad if I do say so myself, Just go buy it without them knowing, go to the gamestore with a freind when your supposedly just hanging out or w/e then buy it and dont tell you parents. If your parents walk in on you playing, just switch the TV from vid 1 or whatever mode you need it on back to regular tv so they think ur just watchin tv.

won't work, most gamestore policies are that they can't sell mature games to minors...without a parent

  • 08.14.2004 9:10 AM PDT
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consider this.... what if its not the gore but the first person view ur mom doesnt like?

  • 08.14.2004 9:31 AM PDT
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Yeah if your mom says its too gory then you should convince her that its not bad. Parents are so stupid, they blame video games for violence and were in the middle of a war first of all, if any of you go to public school you should be proficient at handling guns.
It is not society's job to raise you, its your parents, if they have to check the rating on the back of movies and video games, then they are failing, and you should disobey them. I let my 10 year old sister play halo all the time, I'm not worried she's going to be warped and start killing everyone.
And speaking from expierence, a few years ago my dad had an accident with a saw, it slashed a huge gash in his arm, tendons were hanging out, and blood seeped and flooded the tile floor. He passed out from blood loss and I waited for the paramedics, you have to keep calm no matter how gruesome a situation can be. But i realized something right afterward, violence helps, seriously, not seeing it is worse, because if something bad happens and your not prepared, you'll regret that more than doing your best and not making it. He was fine though, 16 stitches inside the arm, and 37 on the outside.

  • 08.14.2004 7:50 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

I doen't think she knows its rating and she bought it for me!

The only thing she said is that the music is depressing. WTF?

  • 08.17.2004 10:24 AM PDT
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Get halo for the PC and turn off the blood effects.

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Posted by: sgt ubergrunt
Halo just has blood. Your mom should be thankful you're not getting Soldier of fortune, UT 2K4, Mortal Kombat, The Suffering, GTA:Vice City, etc. Blood isn't entirely gorey. Nobody's going to give a scrape or cut M for Mature, hehe. Halo doesn't have limbs being blown off, exploding heads or even killer turtle shells :)


The flood carrier forms could be considered exploding heads. and you can shot the limbs off of a flood.

  • 08.17.2004 11:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: colhsh
My thoughts are there are too many conservative bastards in the world. If a kid wants to play something i don't see why he/she should be excluded. So what if he gets scared "A little childhood trama builds character".

Oh my my my. Over hear in Britain Manhunt has been banned in most shops because one child killed another due to that game. Now clearly the child was unstable to begin with but come on guys, kids should not be exposed to the type of violence that goes on in some games (Halo included).

As for the ten o'clock news, well that takes place after the 9pm watershed when young children should be in bed (although i know realisticaly they're not).

Now im not conservative by any reach of the imagination, but i do not think that youngsters should play semi-real life violent games.

Plus, i don't think that many younger players would apriciate complicated storylines in games. I am aware that this is a generalisation but i think that you have to be a certain age to understand all the nuonces that take place within the Halo plot.

Just my ideas on the subject


did you know that the game had nothing to do with the killings, the kid just had the game, now why put the blame on a video games when T.V shows stuff thats 10 times worse. I relly think parents should get a grip, millions of people play video games but parents still think its meant for children when they are truley for teens and adults. so what if someone who is 12 wants to play an game that is ment for an adult or a teen he can turn on the tv for free and see some thing just as bad or worse.

[Edited on 8/17/2004 4:48:38 PM]

  • 08.17.2004 3:27 PM PDT
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i cant either

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You should ask for Halo from one of your friends for your birthday. I got all the best and goreiest games on xbox from my friends. (Chronicles of Riddick, Psi-ops, Ninja Gaiden)
It doesn't really matter for me though because my parents don't care at all. Also, as mentioned before, the covenant's blood is brightly colored blue and purple. Just rent the game, show it to your mom, and tell her that the stuff squirting out of a dead grunt every time you wack it with your gun, is just blueberry yogurt.

  • 08.17.2004 6:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: JoZh
Dose any body that here that dosen't have Halo 'cauuse I don't 'cause my mom says it's too gorey.


My mom said that to but i got arond her parental control by buying special edish xbox and her not knowing but my dad assisted me on that

  • 08.17.2004 7:18 PM PDT
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The idea that videogames cause violence is just stupid. Did Hitler start a world war because he played a gory game? No. People don't need inspiration for killing each other. You would have to be retarded to not realize that the stuff in games and TV is not real. If they find a violent game in some serial killers house, they just say that that was the cause. I saw this special on TV about the Columbine shooters, and they had the nerve to suggest a copy of Halo that one of the boys owned was how he trained to shoot people! Last time I checked, guns were not operated by xbox controllers.

  • 08.17.2004 8:19 PM PDT
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whatever happened to kids playin outside with sticks and things...using their imagination to make up some cool game with their friends, runnin around gettin some exercise, both physical and mental? that's what i did when i was a youth. not enough kids do this anymore, and that worries me.
as far as the news bein' worse than videogame violence...they generally just suggest murders and rapes and acts of terrorism by describing them and showing some distant shot of somethin blowin up or what have you, which although what's being described is actually worse, you're not seeing all of it. so, i dunno about that. anywhen...outside is way better for kids than video games anyway...don't kill imagination. c'mon now.

  • 08.17.2004 10:52 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

does your mom even know u are on this site?

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Posted by: Top_Gun_2021
does your mom even know u are on this site?


Yeah, she donen't care.

  • 08.19.2004 7:31 AM PDT

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