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the plasma tvs do not use real plasma. end of story, ask any electronics person or scientist. and for the negative effciancy, that is why it is a theory, it does not work proporly

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  • 05.03.2004 8:24 PM PDT
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I'm pretty certain, but it wouldn't be the first time I was mistaken. But one thing I know for sure is that we have at least one form of fusion. That is a thermonuclear explosive, or a Hydrogen bomb. It's just really hard to contain that much power with our current materials we have a available to us.

  • 05.03.2004 8:27 PM PDT
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thermonuculer bombs uses fission, or breaking molecules apart. fusion is "fusing" or putting together atoms, of which needs tremendous amounts of pressure, and creates much more power. (in theory)

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  • 05.03.2004 8:30 PM PDT
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Hmm... Looks like it's time to read my Physics book and go Google-ing a bit... I have no clue which one of you is right...

But I do know for a fact that A and H Bombs are fission, not fusion.

  • 05.03.2004 8:38 PM PDT
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Thermonuclear warheads use a shell that produces a fission blast which creates an uncontrolled fusion reaction of the deuterium core. They are called thermonuclear because of the intense heat and pressure required for the fusion to take place, which is facillitated by the initial fission reaction. The bombs dropped on the Marshall Islands by the US were fusion bombs, including the most powerful nuke ever detonated by the US, a 15 megaton bomb on Bikini Atoll. And here is a site that details how fusion bombs work. Hopefully now you'll believe me.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb8.htm

Oh, and plasma tv's do use plasma:

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/plasma-display2.htm

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  • 05.03.2004 8:47 PM PDT
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remember what were talkin bout people :), besides right now we are talkin bout a damn bomb whose explosion is uncontainable. we are now debating about the size of a "fusion reactor" not bomb, or fission


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  • 05.03.2004 8:57 PM PDT
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Zero117, you're stupid, all you did was compare humans to covenant, WHICH HUMANS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT BEFORE THEY BUILT THEIR SHIPS, humans can't just build new things while a war is going on, and human technology rocks! We can reproduce way faster and we have AIs which covenant don't.



Every time any country has entered a war their industrial aka their war base (buliding ships, guns, tanks, whatever you can name) actually INCREASES. Why do you ask? Because we need to replace what we lost during war. No military goes without losing anything.

  • 05.03.2004 9:29 PM PDT
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Just to support those who said plasma could and is cold (and has been created)

Here

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  • 05.03.2004 9:37 PM PDT
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Ok I say we get back on topic.......which was what again........oh yeah.....out technologies. I still think that a nuclear bomb is better than a MAC round. Remember there are two types, kinds that use uranium (dense material) and hydrogen (not dense material).

  • 05.03.2004 9:51 PM PDT
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In the books, though, nukes only seem to be effective against unshielded oppenents. Their shields seem much better at withstanding those attacks than a MAC round, although even a MAC usually doesn't give a kill shot. But one reason that the Humans have not been able to reverse engineer much Covie space tech is because every ship has self-destructed before it could be captured. Also, Humans have won very few space battles, so they are unlikely to return to any battlefields and scavenge the wreckage for useful things.

  • 05.03.2004 11:03 PM PDT
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Covies have a higher technology then the humans they are a large group of aliens of course their weapons are stronger their ships are faster weapons stronger their "alloys" are tougher .The game wouldn't be that fun if human where stronger there would be no use for master chief

  • 05.04.2004 3:05 AM PDT
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aint it the year 2052 not 2552

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don't think of a MAC gun as some weak projectile. It doesn't need to home because the space battles weve seen so far have been close enough that something traveling as fast as a MAC round is at its target almost instantly. also, before the covenant came there was no reason for humans to upgrade their space based weapons because any single rebelling world would not be able to field much of a fleet against the rest of the planets, ground forces would be much more of an issue. the human ships seem to be glorified transports for ground forces where humans have been successful against the covenant.

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I believe human tech seems pretty close to what we "might " have. Mac cannons seem like a logical step in human weaponary. Considering the fact that humans didn't even think of shields, how couldn't they... Star Trek is right there, MAC cannons would be a prefect space weapon. We understand the tech very well, since we've been use guns for hundreds of years, and since it's in space the projectile takes a long time to slow down, well until it hits something. The MAC cannon should be moded, somehow, to be penetrate Coive shielding though.

I believe GolanX4 said something about the UNSC being nieve... I completely agree with you. The UNSC didn't think it was ever really going to have to fight major space battles. This is something I don't understand for a few reasons: Firstly we know that on the battlefield having air superiority gives you a huge advantage, secondly humans are USUALLY smarter about these things, thirdly I know that when I played Master of Orion I had the biggest baddest fleets out there and didn't even spend too much time on ground troops till later. And ya I understand the differance between MoO research and how people really research things.

Another thing I don't get is why hasn't strategy gotten any better. I would think a race resourseful as humans would be able to think of something. I just thought of something; it said in First Strike that Cortana took of that Covie ship right, then why don't we just try and get more A.I.s on to more Covie ships? Ya I'd be hard but with enough planning I think it could be done. I did this a lot in Homeworld.. but with salvage coverttes rather than A.I.

I got a question for those who have read the books... in the first fight with the Covies (these are fake numbers that fit the ratios) we had 9 ships V.S. 3 Covie and we lost 6. In Halo the game, Cortana took out four Covie ships with one, 50 year old, smallest ship in the fleet, ship. Does it explane how she did it?

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  • 05.04.2004 5:33 AM PDT
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If you want some info on fusion today check here:
http://www.fusion.org.uk/

As for weapons I think they would have the technology to make a nuclear missile that would be able to go in to slipspace. And then come out inside the covenant shields.
Correct me if this thought is wrong.

  • 05.04.2004 6:22 AM PDT
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Rail Weaponry like the MAC guns are possible in real life: (working prototypes have been constructed, but utilise massive amounts of power) and i imagine MAC weaponry could easily be used to carry a nuclear payload: also, im assuming covenant shield are some sort of energy particles held in place via some strenous real-life scientific connection... but if they are energy, then they will be polarised, and polarities can be reserved... thus, there must be a way to disrupt or negate the shields by meddling with their polarities.

Also, weapon tech at an infantry level can only advance by a certain amount: Ballistic weaponry is also likely to become more more powerful, by using stronger propellants, (Interesting point: the weapons in Halo are supposedly caseless, yet eject shell-cases...) better cooling, lighter matierials (weapons with mainly solid-state components that detonate rounds via an electrical charge, such as the real-life HK-G11, are lighter and require much less maintenance than current standard cased-round weaponry.) increased communication between user and used (primitive HUDs are displayed on the AR, for example, replete with an objective indicator and an ammo counter) and of course, brand new tech-advancements that we cannot, as of now, predict.

Incidentally, let us all step back for a moment, and contemplate how sad we are to so enthusiastically debate the tech behind a fictional universe.

  • 05.04.2004 9:30 AM PDT
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Eventually they took out a whole armada of 10 ships ;)

  • 05.04.2004 9:38 AM PDT
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First of all there is no way the Chiefs armor even remotely weighs that much, I know hes a genetically enhanced freak monster covie killer but come on be realistic, second the MAC guns are very effective against Covie ships just not the shields, in first strike the covies have to lower their shields before they can fire which gives cortana enough time to fire at them and do some serious damage.the only thing that I could see the humans doing better is to somehow make a replica of the jackal shields and give them to the humans, the book did make the mc sound like his AR was tearing through elite shield like butter, unlike the game, also... o never mind I forgot the rest

  • 05.04.2004 9:51 AM PDT
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Also, on a somewhat random, but related note: In space, why do ships constantly run their engines to maintain speed?

  • 05.04.2004 9:54 AM PDT
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O yea just remembered what i wasgoing to write, at the end of first strke cortana has all that info on the covie ship ,and their weapons and all i'msure that will change the tide of the war, and the other spartans on reach recieved that new weaponry. Last thing there is a covie AI Cortana had to battle it. done

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Good Question doesn't the shuttle run with thrust vector things Furry Goldfish

  • 05.04.2004 9:55 AM PDT
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Even though particles are not common in space, they are still there but just not as dense.

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  • 05.04.2004 9:59 AM PDT
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actually, humans are copying the tech of the covies, it took them so long, because whenever the humans get near enough to taking a covie ship, it self destructs, also most covie tech has a fail safe that destroys all internal circuitry and stuff (the plasma sword, the jackals shield, the elites shield and the fuel rod gun all have failsafes in them.) so the humand found it very hard to steal covie tech.

Also the humans are pretty advanced, but the main advances have been in space travel and metallurgy. The humans did actually come close to developing something similar to covie tech, in the FoR, then Leiutenant Keyes was only a leiutenant because of an accident with experiments with plasma based propulsion systems. Also, before the war started, Humans were nearly in a state of Civil War, hindering any technological advances.

I must also point out that most people who came into contact with the covies didnt live long enough to bring back technology. Also, Human scientists only cracked covie shield and gravity tech a few weeks before Halo, and were testing it on their ships at Reach when it got glassed.

We can hope that alot of advanced tech is in Halo 2, but for that to happen, there has to be a bigslice of time between First Strike and H2 for the tech stolen by MC and Cortana on Ascendant Justice and Halo gets back to Earth and is put into everything.

  • 05.04.2004 10:04 AM PDT
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i believe it does, Jono: regardless, it's a flagrant waste of energy to keep the engines at anything more than their equivalent of "idling".

  • 05.04.2004 10:08 AM PDT
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I would say there would at least have to be a time space of about 2 weeks, when the chief and company take out the heirophant that would have had to of slowed them down somewhat but over all I agree with you, the chief is the only "human" ( i say it that way b/c he really isn't all that human) to have survived a battle against the covies.

  • 05.04.2004 10:10 AM PDT