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Posted by: Cheeto666
That is from the edited Reach. I don't care about those changes. In the original story, the numerical matchup was close to even, and then slightly tipped in the scale towards the UNSC because of the MAC Cannons. The stupid little "drop the landing ships over the poles" thing was the only reason the Covenant won, was because they managed to take the generators offline before the cannons could decimate their fleet.
Posted by: Hysterical Joker
Posted by: Cheeto666
Again, wrong. You're reading stuff into it. You were given the impression that Reach would destroy the TFoR's plot, so when it came it, you looked for stuff that would break canon. All you found is minor differences that change nothing. At all. Instead of Reach falling in one day, it took a few weeks. Seems a bit more realistic, does it not? Nylund screwed up there, killing the most important planet in a few hours.
Then, with TFoR, the pre-covenant strike force fits with the book as well. The Covenant had just changed to more sneaky strategies. That fits better than a huge invasion that just drops a bunch of dropships over the pole. That was absolutely retarded.
The Autumn being on ground just makes including Noble team possible. The fact that S-117 was present in the final Pillar of Autumn Cutscene makes it so that, at least where the S-II's are concerned, many of the events were probably the same. They might have fought a few more battles, whoopdee effin doo.
Tl;Dr: You're crying over spilled milk. You made a big deal out of nothing.
Posted by: Liquid Snake118
Posted by: Cheeto666
Just because the Autumn was on a land based dock rather than an orbital dock means nothing. They could have still been planning it, but instead of just about to launch, they could have still been prepping for it. As I said earlier, UNSC Command would still have wanted Spartans to wipe the core, and Spartans to keep the generators online. You're over analyzing this. A ground dock means nothing different at all.
A few spartans that didn't die in a crash also changes nothing. They still would have been killed in the ground engagements. Hell, their pelican could have been shot down and the still die. You don't know.
There were a lot of holes left open with the campaign. It might have blown apart the book cannon, but it doesn't necessarily have to. Only if you want it to, it does. All the events of the books still seem to fit in very nicely with the game's story, which is awesome. A few dates and such are wrong, but you're wrong about everything else.
Only if you want it to? The story has lost complete validity now and is a chaotic muddle. The saddest thing is Bungie could have avoided all this, if they weren't so preoccupied in catering to the casual gamer. So typical that they burn the people who care about the story the most.
700 Covenant ships against 300 UNSC makes it very, very logical that Reach fell in a day. Unless I'm wrong on the ship number.
You're choosing to ignore inconsistencies and ask people who have been praised by the developers for their attention to detail to stop doing so and believe everything that happened "just 'cause".
Look: They retconned the number of ships to 700 AND retconned the time it took Reach to fall to several weeks instead of 1 day. It makes no sense to alter both.
Anyway, UNSC need to outnumber the Covenant 3 to 1. Even with the Orbital SMACs, they were still outmatched and losing, and I do believe the space battle was still going on when the Covenant took out the generators. It still makes sense for it to be around the ballpark or a day, or maybe even a few. But not a few weeks.