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Subject: Unexplainable errors in the Halo canon. (Spoilers)

I have no idea what they're saying....Smile and nod.

OMG who the hell cares

  • 06.29.2011 10:44 AM PDT

lol This was the preview post for this thread.


[Edited on 06.29.2011 10:48 AM PDT]

  • 06.29.2011 10:48 AM PDT


Posted by: The Bionic Bear
OMG who the hell cares


Lemme guess, you're 12?

  • 06.29.2011 10:59 AM PDT

I have no idea what they're saying....Smile and nod.

Posted by:A Puzzled Mind
Lemme guess, you're 12?

No im not 12,Got a problem?

  • 06.29.2011 11:03 AM PDT

I got a couple ideas how to fix the cannon in halo reach.

1) maybe the pre invasion did happen but wasn't told in the fall of reach book. Like a prequel of a battle. To show this a video shows the guy who saw the covanent ship heading to reach that kees had to battle in space. The people who read the book will know all about that seen, and it will not confuse the new people to reach.

2) Kat death could be more emphazized. I know here shield s were down but, where are all the sparks that fly around you. If they showed the sparks, people won't be like " why did just one needle kill her!?" Also, when every one is running, carter could say "keep your heads down, our shields won't rechARGE For a whil cuz off the blast.", but Kat doesn't listen.

3) you could see mac defenses in the distance of some levels, because it is a unsc base type planet, so there could be some defenses seen in the distance.

4) When you get the cortana fragment from dr. halsey, you don't go to the pillar of autamn on the ground. You go into space again, and you go to the orbatil station that master chief and blue team was on to regroup with them to give the cortana fragment to him. Also, jun is killed by halsey because he finds out that halsey knows about the halos in a journal that was on her pelican.( the best idea for a death for jun that i could think of.)

5) you go abourd the space station, and carter dies from an explosion keeping a giant wave of enemys going onto a docking staion by blowing up a exsplosive charge or some fusion coils. You and emile go onto the place where chief waz with linda and where she waz shot. You are over run and emile tells you to retreat to another place on the staion. You go to a docking station where a wave comes out and you defend your self. After everyone is dead, emile tells you to get into a space sabre he sees, and that he will help the sparten 2( he doesn't know him.) When he go's through a door a elite feild marsheell comes out of claok and knifes him with a energy sword. Emile takes out a plamsa gernade and says " Stupid elite, spartens never die, there just missing in action" (After the elite says something cool.) You look one last time,then you run to the space sabre and have another epic space battle. You try to get to the pillar of autamn, but a phantom damages your ship heavily. Your losing control and destroy the phantom,so you radio the pillar of autumn telling keyes to go and you will cover him. You fight off the rest of enemys and the POA leaves. You down to the planet and crash land, and you will still have lone wolf.

i know i got some information wrong and i can't remember every halo detail. Like the blue team or where chief waz with linda. Correct me plz, but don't get pissed off correcting me.


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  • 06.29.2011 11:32 AM PDT


Posted by: The Bionic Bear
Posted by:A Puzzled Mind
Lemme guess, you're 12?

No im not 12,Got a problem?


Then you can at least apply your intelligence and realize what forum section you're in and what this thread is about...other than acting like a little child, "OMG".

  • 06.29.2011 1:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: OrderedComa
but both the game and the book are equally canon, both tell part of one whole: The Battle of Reach.
That's not possible, there are too many contradictions for both stories to be considered canon.

I wouldn't mind if Halo: Reach was all ONI propaganda. Who cares if it feels like lazy writing? At least it fixes the whole thing.


Your very skewed interpretation, but your opinion nontheless. There are not many errors at all actually, the people who dislike Reach are blowing things way out of proportion. I can easily fix the so called "errors" that have not been fixed all ready.

I care about lazy fixing, as do many others, on both sides of the issue I'm sure. I don't like lazy writing for a story, and while saying all of Halo: Reach is propaganda from ONI, while a bit more creative than just coming along and flat out saying "Halo: Reach never happened, it's non-canon", it's still a very lazy solution, and would tell me that 343i doesn't believe they can bridge the two, and they'd lose a lot of credibility in my opinion of them.

  • 06.29.2011 9:20 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: OrderedComa
but both the game and the book are equally canon, both tell part of one whole: The Battle of Reach.
That's not possible, there are too many contradictions for both stories to be considered canon.

I wouldn't mind if Halo: Reach was all ONI propaganda. Who cares if it feels like lazy writing? At least it fixes the whole thing.


Your very skewed interpretation, but your opinion nontheless. There are not many errors at all actually, the people who dislike Reach are blowing things way out of proportion. I can easily fix the so called "errors" that have not been fixed all ready.

I care about lazy fixing, as do many others, on both sides of the issue I'm sure. I don't like lazy writing for a story, and while saying all of Halo: Reach is propaganda from ONI, while a bit more creative than just coming along and flat out saying "Halo: Reach never happened, it's non-canon", it's still a very lazy solution, and would tell me that 343i doesn't believe they can bridge the two, and they'd lose a lot of credibility in my opinion of them.


The game explains most of the "issues" in canon in the dialogue

  • 06.29.2011 10:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

so 3-4 counts as "most"? i already ranted on how many errors (larger ones) that are un-answered. you can fix the little ones all you like and throw your tea parties but you are getting nowhere.

  • 06.29.2011 10:18 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
so 3-4 counts as "most"? i already ranted on how many errors (larger ones) that are un-answered. you can fix the little ones all you like and throw your tea parties but you are getting nowhere.


which errors are you talking about exactly? I can't seem to find your "rants" but if you could reiterate or direct me to them I would love to try and take a crack at 'em. The biggest error I see in Reach would have to be the fact that no one noticed the huge rupture in slipspace when the SC emerged but then again I don't have sufficient knowledge about when the LNoS jumped to know if it really is an error.

  • 06.29.2011 10:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The ships getting into the system in the first place

1 relay of 3 being taken out disabling the entire region

A mile long SC going undetected in the system

The spires being dropped unto the planet undetected

reinforcements being called in (which implies ships were destroyed) to stop the LNoS.

  • 06.29.2011 10:36 PM PDT

1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)

2. I don't have enough information on how UNSC comm relays function and thus can not answer (Although if I had to take a guess I would say that each one of the relays has a maximum range so that they form a "three-way" venn diagram; so when one of them went down it took out one of the circles in the venn diagram leaving that region's comms down. Also its 3:15 where I live right now so if this makes no sense it's because I'm tired)

3. The spire's kept it visually cloaked and the Stealth pylons were able to jam the UNSC sensors as so that they couldn't detect it

4. I always assumed (this is merely speculation the game doesn't give sufficient information on how the spires were put in place) that 1-4 of the Covenant stealth ships (from TFoR) snuck troops into Reach that were able to construct the spires or were able to drop them in themselves after they had the Stealth pylons and AA guns in place so that UNSC troops/aircraft couldn't interfere

5. I always thought the UNSC were just preparing for the imminent armada that was to come

[Edited on 06.30.2011 12:19 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 12:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: immadchill
1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)


The Iroquois and the rest of the ships that participated in the battle of Sigma Octanus didn't return until August 12th.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 12:09 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 12:09 AM PDT


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: immadchill
1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)


The Iroquois and the rest of the ships that participated in the battle of Sigma Octanus didn't return until August 12th.


so I guess that really is an unexplainable error in Reach's canon, (although I guess all it takes is a lot date changing)

[Edited on 06.30.2011 12:29 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 12:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: immadchill

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: immadchill
1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)


The Iroquois and the rest of the ships that participated in the battle of Sigma Octanus didn't return until August 12th.


so I guess that really is an unexplainable error in Reach's canon, (although I guess all it takes is a little date changing)


It's going to require a lot of date changing. The problem is that if you change one date you need to change the rest because of a domino effect of making everything else consistent least things turn into a plausible nightmare in terms of the logistical capabilities of both the UNSC and Covenant.

  • 06.30.2011 12:19 AM PDT

I guess that is a much bigger plothole than I anticipated but the Covenant already knew about Reach before they tracked the Iroquois, maybe they were there to retrieve the artifact and leave but then thought Reach might be the human homeworld, considering that the probe that was put on the Iroqois recorded and relayed video back to the covies. When they saw the large amount of ships and defenses it may have led them to believe it was the human homeworld.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 12:43 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 12:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: immadchill
I guess that is a much bigger plothole than I anticipated but the Covenant already knew about Reach before they tracked the Iroquois, maybe they were there to retrieve the artifact and leave but then thought Reach might be the human homeworld, considering that the probe that was put on the Iroqois recorded and relayed video back to the covies. When they saw the large amount of ships and defenses it may have led them to believe it was the human homeworld.


What ships and defenses? The Supercarrier and its contingent of Corvettes were able to subdue Reach's home fleet all by themselves.

  • 06.30.2011 12:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: immadchill
1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)

2. I don't have enough information on how UNSC comm relays function and thus can not answer (Although if I had to take a guess I would say that each one of the relays has a maximum range so that they form a "three-way" venn diagram; so when one of them went down it took out one of the circles in the venn diagram leaving that region's comms down. Also its 3:15 where I live right now so if this makes no sense it's because I'm tired)

3. The spire's kept it visually cloaked and the Stealth pylons were able to jam the UNSC sensors as so that they couldn't detect it

4. I always assumed (this is merely speculation the game doesn't give sufficient information on how the spires were put in place) that 1-4 of the Covenant stealth ships (from TFoR) snuck troops into Reach that were able to construct the spires or were able to drop them in themselves after they had the Stealth pylons and AA guns in place so that UNSC troops/aircraft couldn't interfere

5. I always thought the UNSC were just preparing for the imminent armada that was to come


1. I already know that and the covenant already knew about reach and earth but didn't think humans were there. yes yes i know this. I was saying the fact they got in the system not how they found it.


No date was ever given to when the Iroquois got back other than it was "under a month" which is still fast since sigma was the farthest colony.

So you mean to tell me that it got back in under 4 days and the covenant were then able to get there just as Fast? Hell no.

2.One of 3 on the entire planet yet if one goes down it doesn't work? very poor plot and i doubt that is how it works

3.I Am talking about the Spires being dropped on the planet as we noticed from TotS. Again i am sure the UNSC would have noticed or a civilian would have seen that.

4.Still wouldn't be able to get in the system without be detected getting out of slipspace, and it would take far too long to drift in the system.

  • 06.30.2011 6:03 AM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

Fear the Red Comet

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Long live games.
Death to all fanboys.


Posted by: grey101
No date was ever given to when the Iroquois got back other than it was "under a month" which is still fast since sigma was the farthest colony.


Halsey's journal gives the date as the 12th of August.

  • 06.30.2011 6:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: grey101
No date was ever given to when the Iroquois got back other than it was "under a month" which is still fast since sigma was the farthest colony.


Halsey's journal gives the date as the 12th of August.


Another example of halopedian being horrible for even a reference.

  • 06.30.2011 7:09 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: immadchill
1.The Covie beacon was placed on the Iroquois on July 17th and Noble found Covies on Reach on the 24th (I think thats what your asking, I'm not exactly sure though)

2. I don't have enough information on how UNSC comm relays function and thus can not answer (Although if I had to take a guess I would say that each one of the relays has a maximum range so that they form a "three-way" venn diagram; so when one of them went down it took out one of the circles in the venn diagram leaving that region's comms down. Also its 3:15 where I live right now so if this makes no sense it's because I'm tired)

3. The spire's kept it visually cloaked and the Stealth pylons were able to jam the UNSC sensors as so that they couldn't detect it

4. I always assumed (this is merely speculation the game doesn't give sufficient information on how the spires were put in place) that 1-4 of the Covenant stealth ships (from TFoR) snuck troops into Reach that were able to construct the spires or were able to drop them in themselves after they had the Stealth pylons and AA guns in place so that UNSC troops/aircraft couldn't interfere

5. I always thought the UNSC were just preparing for the imminent armada that was to come


1. I already know that and the covenant already knew about reach and earth but didn't think humans were there. yes yes i know this. I was saying the fact they got in the system not how they found it.


No date was ever given to when the Iroquois got back other than it was "under a month" which is still fast since sigma was the farthest colony.

So you mean to tell me that it got back in under 4 days and the covenant were then able to get there just as Fast? Hell no.

2.One of 3 on the entire planet yet if one goes down it doesn't work? very poor plot and i doubt that is how it works

3.I Am talking about the Spires being dropped on the planet as we noticed from TotS. Again i am sure the UNSC would have noticed or a civilian would have seen that.

4.Still wouldn't be able to get in the system without be detected getting out of slipspace, and it would take far too long to drift in the system.


In the post prior to my explanations I said that the biggest error in canon is how the SC was able to get into the system without the slipspace rupture being detected. Just imagine that it doesn't matter and then consider these explanations. Thats what I did because I find if you discount that the other explanations are much more plausible and Reach begins to make a lot more sense and becomes more enjoyable. But like I said, we don't know enough about how the SC got into the system to know if it is a problem in the canon. The biggest problem in Reach is the amount of wiggle room it gives you.

  • 06.30.2011 8:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I have been saying that for about 2 weeks now.

There is no way the SC should have gotten in the system to start with

  • 06.30.2011 8:24 AM PDT

Let your anger be as a monkey in a piñata... hiding amongst the candy... hoping the kids don't break through with the stick!

The books do not create the story line. the games are the true story line, if the books dont agree with with the games then take the games word for it.

  • 06.30.2011 1:04 PM PDT

In the original PC manual for Halo; Comabt Evovled, it states that Spartan soldiers were "genetically created" for the program, Why was this retconned? Was it to make the characters more likable, or allow for extremes in personality?

  • 06.30.2011 1:37 PM PDT

"What do you hear?"
"Nothing but the rain."
"Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."
"Boom, boom, boom!"

Posted by: grey101
4.Still wouldn't be able to get in the system without be detected getting out of slipspace, and it would take far too long to drift in the system.


Reading through Halsey's journal last night and something caught my eye.

Meanwhile, receiving scattered data from the usual suspects concerning atmospheric anomalies along with radar and slipspace monitoring glitches. Compared these events to those recorded near Sigma Octanus. No match.

Still, a series of coincidences usually aren't coincidence.


Dated July 24th, shortly before Noble went to Visegrad. So, UNSC monitoring stations did pick something up. Just thought I'd point that out.

  • 06.30.2011 2:19 PM PDT